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Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea

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Posted by:   bobo 2/18/2006 10:18 AM

 

The Yahoo message boards are now a litany of Ad Hominem attacks against everyone that has contributed content to the site, or has been key in exposing the naked short selling crisis. The attack method has shifted from, “Patrick is crazy, a liar, or a crook” to, “These guys are all liars, or kooks, or crooks.”

Classic Ad Hominem, if not particularly skillfully executed. For those that don’t know the definition of Ad Hominem, here is today’s Latin lesson, from a poster on the Yahoo boards:

“Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.

Person B makes an attack on person A.

Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

Example of Ad Hominem

Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."

Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."

Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"

Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say.”

The reason that the bad guys are resorting to Ad Hominem is that they cannot debate nor challenge the facts – thus, they seek to denigrate the reputation of the speaker. They do this because they are intellectually weak, lack factual rebuttals, and are flailing. It is a lazy person’s argument style, and is dishonest in the extreme, as it seeks to avoid the facts of the discussion.

It is transparent, and childish, and nobody does it with less finesse than our old friend the Weiss-meister.

Weiss has apparently made it a daily event now on his forgettable blog-offering to name-call, and disseminate incorrect information. Why he is reduced to that is unknown. He refers to anyone that understands the FTD crisis as “Baloney Brigade”, he garbles his lines, and has made a hobby out of hurling feces through the bars of his cage at anyone foolish enough to draw near. He has yet to cite any factual evidence for his declaration that. “there is no FTD problem,” nor really for any of his other inanities. I don’t read his pap, but there are organized teams of bashers working the message boards, whose every 10th posts are a link to his blog, so it is hard to avoid some of it – and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that he is the new hedge fund mouthpiece and Wall Street apologist – even as he claims to be exposing Wall Street’s corruption. The irony is not lost on anyone but Weiss and the message board touts. I won’t devote a lot of space here to his scribblings, but three are noteworthy as examples of how the other side works.

The first is his claiming that the DTCC subpoenas were a rumor, and that I was full of it. After that was exposed as incorrect, it shifted to “that’s old news.” What was left out was that: A) If it was old news, why didn’t the great Weiss know about it, or at least possess the rudimentary skills to verify it after it was broken here?; and B) His mockery of the story was dead wrong. The next piece was where he claimed that my Rocker Partners formal SEC investigation piece was a rehash of TheStreet.com’s article in which it was mentioned in passing that the SEC was “investigating” the claims against Gradient and Rocker. What was left out there was: A) TheStreet.com journalist admitted that he didn’t know about the formal investigation at the time of the article; B) That information was communicated to Weiss, and he chose to ignore it; and C) His lack of investigative ability extends to being unable to verify that story, as well. A footnote is that he censored a comment on his blog by the gentleman who had the exchange with TheStreet – clearly to avoid being exposed as a fraud.

The third example was his breakthrough piece that Dr. Jim DeCosta is a dentist. This hard hitting piece involved looking up his phone number. That Jim is a dentist has exactly nothing to do with the fact that he is also a scholar of the securities business, and an expert on clearing and settlement. The fallacy in this line of argument is simple to demolish – Einstein was a patent office clerk, and part-time physicist. Gates was a college drop out, and computer enthusiast. The presence or absence of an advanced degree in a subject means exactly nothing in terms of acumen – an example being that Weiss has a journalism degree and is an ex-BW writer, and yet can’t track down basic information about simple stories – the DTCC and Rocker pieces, for instance.

The approach seems to be to denigrate the folks who are raising awareness of the FTD crisis. Bud is being attacked in, surprise, Mark Cuban’s blog, - which a lot of the Elgindy bashers are known to frequent – funny how the turds tend to gravitate to common areas (Elgindy, as we all know, is now facing a life sentence for stock manipulation). DeCosta is being attacked in a limp wrested fashion by Weiss. I am being attacked by Weiss and an entire battalion of message board bashers, working ‘round the clock.

A lot of personal attacks, but no discussion of the issues. I don’t blame them – I wouldn’t want to discuss them, either. Every time a discussion ensues, they get their heads handed to them. Who needs that kind of grief?

Now, on to today’s news. Yesterday the DTCC issued a statement confirming that the DTCC had received a subpoena a few months ago from Connecticut. The information requested was ultimately provided to that state, via the SEC.  Here is the release:

“DTCC and the State of Connecticut Issue Joint Statement

The Connecticut Banking Department’s Securities Division submitted a subpoena requesting production of certain records from The Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation (DTCC) several months ago, related to an investigation the Conn. Banking Dept. is conducting of third parties. DTCC facilitated a response to this request through the SEC (DTCC's primary regulator) and the information has been obtained.

The Connecticut State Banking Department and DTCC are jointly issuing this statement to correct any mischaracterizations and misinformation about the communication between our two organizations.”

So, the Bunny’s story was accurate, although a few issues are left: 1) I claimed that the DTCC gave the middle finger to the states – not clear that they didn’t, and that the states didn’t then go to the SEC, who got the info for them. Nobody has clarified that, but it might well explain why they didn’t simply send me an email saying, “You got it wrong.” Because I didn’t. 2) The only place you heard about these subpoenas was from me on Sunday, until FinancialWire broke the story early Wed., and then the NY Post had an article about it in Thursday’s issue. That raises the question, “How many other subpoenas haven’t we heard about?” Fair question. 3) There is the matter of the UT subpoena(s), which aren’t discussed in the release, although they were confirmed by the NY Post.

Still no word has been issued by anyone about the Rocker Partners/Gradient formal investigation and subpoena story – which speaks volumes. As you know, their attorneys were formally requested to correct any element of my story that was incorrect, and they didn’t.

Would it surprise anyone to learn that I now have word that Rocker was served with a subpoena about ten days ago?

So here’s a question: Why can’t the geniuses out there that are investing so much time into demonizing everyone connected to exposing the NSS crisis, invest 45 seconds into a phone call to confirm this story?

Curious, no?

Seems that until they are dragged, kicking and screaming, to a story that is critical of the Wall Street power elite, they ignore any negative info.

But they have a problem now. Many thousands read this blog every day now. The word is spreading – and traffic is increasing. So the story is getting out, and awareness is growing, and stories that were broken here are now being shown to be true by the mainstream press. That renders the Ad Hominem attacks largely ineffective, as the veracity of the message is confirmed, even as the messenger is attacked. Most thinking adults will look at the attack and go, “Yeah, so?”

I actually think that it is noteworthy that the intensity of the attacks has radically increased over the last week – that says that their composure is crumbling, and someone is feeling the pressure. It’s no longer, “Byrne’s a kook or a crook” – now it is everyone from Rod Young to the Easter Bunny is bad.

Why sure we are. Bad bad bad.

And meanwhile, the word is spreading, and the façade of composure and legitimacy is crumbling.

Just another day in the life of the Bunny.

Copyright ©2006 Bob O'Brien
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Comments (43)
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By bryedge on 2/18/2006 11:02 AM
Bob, just wanted to share an enlightening story. While enjoying your previous installment, I got a call from an A.G. Edwards broker/telemarketer offering her services. I was able not to laugh, at first, but my awareness of most brokers was confirmed when she admitted to not knowing what NSS was, did not know what a "failure to deliver" was, had not heard of Rocker Partners, had not heard of Gradient or Refco, and was unclear what DTCC meant.
My laughing began when she tried to impress me that she used to work for J.P. Morgan.
I know, I was an asshole for laughing.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By dave on 2/18/2006 11:02 AM
"I actually think that it is noteworthy that the intensity of the attacks has radically increased over the last week"

That's because this site is working - the bunny is bringing a private quadrillion dollar clearing and depository group and the wallstreet elite to their knees.

Readers, tell your friends about this site. The sooner the regulators address this, the sooner your investments will go up at the expense of a few hedgies that aren't too excited about one adroit bunny poster.

Take five minutes while you think about it and email a link to this page to your friends.

Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By dave on 2/18/2006 6:04 PM
I had an argument with an owner of a small brokerage a few years ago. He argued that I was wrong on my understanding of the clearing system and invited me into his back office to meet his head of compliance.

She looked him right in the eye and told him that I was 100% right. He said he knew the firm wasn't naked shorting the stock in question, but she explained how it could happen at the level of the second tier clearing house as he didn't have a direct participant account at the DTC.

He would be like a brokerage under Adler Coleman who was a member of the DTC. (Google "Adler Coleman" and "naked short").

It isn't just the brokers that don't get it, even the owners don't. The reason is the clearing houses have made everything so opaque, that no one knows what goes on in the black box.

We're supposed to trust the quadrillion dollar privately owned depository and hope they don't use their profits to buy lobbiests and media outlets and fund political campaigns.

The last couple blogs have caused me to smile for a couple days now and have been the topics of several conversations. I'm really glad they were posted, but it may be time to get back on the topics at hand.

By focussing the conversation on personalities, they've distracted us from the subpoenas. Their ad hominem attacks have been effective in getting us off the arguments about the facts of how the clearing system steals from investors.

It's like how a magician misdirects when he does his sleight of hand. When there is a lot of clogging / distraction, then that's when you need to pay attention because there is something really important going on.

The 911 attacks were all being planned when all the media could talk about was Chandra Levy.

I hope they haven't been controlling the topic of discussion. Maybe they are also a-holes and don't care what we think.

We're most productive when we reveal facts that they wish didn't make the light of day and I'd like to see the blogs get back to that.

I am also a big believer in freedom of the press, but this issue is too important to let the cloggers distract. Until they chip in for your bandwidth, I think you should feel free to erase their posts and leave the blog for people that aren't paid to have an opinion.

The bought media can post in their own blog.


Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By SledgeHamer on 2/19/2006 12:27 AM
I just took a look at the Weiss blog and I left ROTFLMFAO! Keep up the prssure, bobo. Your efforts are paying off. The neked yahooers are getting desperate.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By janie on 2/19/2006 12:28 AM
bobo,

My side hurts from laughing so hard.


I found Weiss' book in the can
So I sat down and turned on the fan
But what came to pass
Was nothing but gas
Much like the words of this man


Weiss your theories suck
They're not even worth a buck
You spend your time
Kissing corporate behind
And they're almost out of luck


bobo is a honey
On his words, I'll place my money
As Weiss the Grinch
Stirs up a foul stinch
My faith is in the Easter bunny
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By InTheKnow on 2/19/2006 11:19 AM
This forthcoming books author "The Midas Touch, Counterfeit Stock, Naked Short Selling and Selling America Short" had some very interesting posts with Gary Weiss on Weiss' blog several days back. Of course you know who gets the best of it even though some of the post have been cut off. I hear the book is a monster and you can tell by the way this guy handles himself. Scroll through the posts for those by James Cummins at the below site (For more see the Guest Blog at TheSanityCheck)http://www.haloscan.com/comments/garyweiss/113865904638335427/
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By flopsy on 2/19/2006 11:19 AM
CANADA ON BOARD!!
FANTASTIC!!
More Breaking News From Bob!
You gotta love it!!
“Comments on the proposed amendments are due by March 6.”
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By Patchie on 2/19/2006 9:37 AM
Take a look at page 29, 30 of this presentation (note; it was aided in the drafing by then Senior associate director of the SEC Larry Bergmann - Larry also being a prime SEC contributor to Reg. SHO)

http://fic.wharton.upenn.edu/fic/cmbt/Ozge%20Uysal.ppt

BD who fails to execute or deliver promptly, misappropriates, or acts inconsistently with the customer’s interests after receiving an order, securities, or cash, is considered to have violated to the standards of the industry

He thereby breaches his implied representation and fiduciary duties, and commits a fraud in violation of Rule 10b-5
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By bobo on 2/19/2006 11:22 AM

For Janie:

------------------
I wiped off my Herb with some Weiss
Absorbency wasn't too nice
The paper was cheap
The pricing too steep
And paper-cuts now need some ice

Or...

Old Weiss' dross gave me a rash
When I used it to wipe off my #ss
The ink was sub grade
the binding all frayed
I'd rather use Charmin or cash

Or...

I needed to use "Born to Steal"
For digested bits of a meal
Substandard prose style
Abraded a pile
The Doc says a week more to heal

Or...

The pages of Gary's dim screed
If carelessly swiped make one bleed
His mangling of words
Is useless on turds
And even more painful to read
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By mfairview on 2/19/2006 3:24 PM
From TMF:

Excerpt from:

http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/printarticle.asp?id=mwo021706

Bill King brought this to my attention this morning: The WSJ in GM Debt Poses Challenge To Derivatives Market: "The car maker has about $30 billion in debt. Traders estimate more than $200 billion in credit derivatives are linked to GM. But because such derivatives don't trade on an exchange, nobody knows for certain how much credit-default swap protection has actually been written on GM. And nobody can say with confidence that they even know who is on the other side of the trades that they have entered into. Such uncertainty is one reason that, since last year, regulators have asked participants in the fast-growing market to get their operational act together. That encompasses everything from dealing with a backlog of unconfirmed trades to figuring out who their counterparties are when one side transfers contracts to another party. The Fed has asked market participants to report by today on their progress in dealing with these and other issues...(Naked Shorts Perhaps?)Four years ago, the derivatives market was a fraction of the size of the underlying corporate-bond market. Today, it is estimated at $12.5 trillion, more than twice the underlying market's size, and it continues to expand rapidly."

As King wryly notes, "So GM CDS have created a 6.67 fold increase in the $30B risk that they are supposed to mitigate. What possibly could go wrong?"

What if I told you there are 45,000 derivative trades the confirmations for which are at a minimum of over 30 days late? Doesn't sound good. But that's not the whole story. Regulators, led by the New York Fed, have been pressing the industry hard to get solve what could be a real problem in the derivatives markets. Even though Greenspan did not want those markets regulated, he did note that inadequate infrastructure was "a significant problem."

To make a long story short, a report was released last July from an industry committee detailing the problems and making 47 suggestions as to new policies and procedures. Last September, the Fed, along with other regulators, called the main players (named "The 14 Families") to a meeting and more or less said, "clean up this mess or we will step in." At the time there were 97,000 trades that were unconfirmed for 30 days or longer. Also, traders would buy a "credit swap" and then sell it the next day, but not tell the original party, who now did not know who his counter-party was.

This week, the number of late unconfirmed trades was cut to 45,000, 2 1/2 months ahead of the target. Re-assignments are reported in one day, much to the moaning of hedge funds and traders who do not want to reveal their strategies. Most of the trades are now matched electronically. But as the WSJ notes:

"The problems aren't solved. There is a backlog of thousand of unconfirmed trades. About 40% of new trades still aren't matched electronically. There's no centralized utility to process credit derivative trades. But the industry and its regulators are on the way to replacing the pipes before they burst - without cumbersome rule making or humiliating any one firm to make a point, or waiting for a crisis to force action."

The sheriff purposefully evaluates his situation:
- Is the posse covering my exposed posterior? Check.
- Derivative markets are lookin' a little too Wild n Woolly. Issue a warning. Replace a few pipes.
- Is the posse covering my exposed posterior? Check.
- Brokerage Houses are taking advantage of "my play nice" policy covering Naked Shorts. Issue a warning. Threaten to replace a few pipes.
- Is the posse covering my exposed posterior? Check.
- Ah, a tough day again fight'n injustice.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By dave on 2/19/2006 8:28 PM
I've been trying to reconcile Gary Weiss, the investigative journalist who is breaking a story about Hanover Sterling and the mob and who wants to help the "little guy", with the Gary Weiss who thinks naked short selling is baloney.

If he investigated Hanover Sterling, he knows that "naked shorting" is real.

http://www.nasd.com/web/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&ssDocName=NASDW_010055

How does a guy go from writing a book about how the mob controls Wallstreet via naked shorting, to calling activists that fight naked shorting the baloney brigade.

It must have been a big check, a big threat or blackmail - otherwise it just doesn't make any sense to me.

Wouldn't it make more sense for no other reason than pure self interest for him to join with us to help promote his book (he's fighting corruption on Wallstreet, Bobo's fighting corruption on Wallstreet...)?

What is his motive to protect the naked shorting that is a main focus of his book?





Adler Coleman Clearing Bankruptcy By dave on 2/19/2006 8:29 PM
Naked shorting is old news...

Dec. 28, 1999:

The U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York
ruled last week that the Securities Investor Protection Corp.
(SPIC) and Edwin Mishkin, trustee for the bankrupt brokerage firm
of Adler, Coleman Clearing Corp., do not need to pay certain
customer claims regarding bankrupt New York-based Hanover
Sterling & Co. because the claims were based on fraudulent
securities transactions, according to a newswire report. In a
Dec. 15 ruling, Bankruptcy Judge James L. Garrity agreed with
SPIC that Hanover Sterling & Co., for which Adler, Coleman is a
clearing firm, had engaged in a series of fraudulent stock
transactions designed to benefit its preferred customers in the
face of the firm's inevitable failure. The court found that as
Hanover's employees realized the firm was collapsing and that
stocks in the customer accounts could not be sold for the prices
that Hanover Sterling quoted, the employees entered fictional
transactions in preferred customers' accounts that gave the
illusion that the preferred customers had sold their portfolios
at high prices. The fictional sales were then used to order "blue
chip" stocks. The SPIC, created in 1970 to provide certain
protection against losses to investors in the event of a
brokerage firm's failure, provides up to $500,000 for claims for
securities, including $100,000 for cash claims. The court held
that the fraudulent transactions were made without customer
knowledge or had never actually been executed, thereby
disqualifying the customer claims from SPIC protection. "While
SPIC was clearly designed to protect customers of failed broker-
dealers, it was not intended to be a vehicle for shifting
investor accounts from worthless securities to cash or securities
with value by means of fraudulent manipulation," the court said.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By dave on 2/19/2006 8:31 PM
I read Gary Weiss's latest blog entry and tried to understand his argument.

The best I can tell, he is saying is that naked shorting doesn't exist and pump and dump scamsters use naked shorting as an excuse as for why their latest promotion is trading at a low price.

The problem is that he knows, conclusively, through his investigation of Hanover Sterling that not only was naked shorting real, but since the trades x-cleared through Adler Coleman, it bankrupted Adler Coleman.

He would conclusively know exactly how the naked shorting worked and how it affected investors.

Why would he not want activists to fight this practice?

Again, I say it makes no sense unless he is on someone's payroll.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By bobo on 2/19/2006 8:46 PM
I certainly share your cognitive dissonance over Weiss' take on NSS. I won't speculate as to who is paying whom. What I can say is that many of the folks commenting on his blog appear to be the same ones commenting on Mathews'blog, and on Cuban's. Herb even chimes in, which he also did on Mathews (via touting it in his articles) and Cuban's (same MO).

So you have the same faces now championing Weiss.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out, does it?

Add to that his seeming fascination with me, and you get an ugly speculation.

As you pointed out, his positions lack any logical merit, he is dishonest in the extreme (his DTCC and Rocker Partners blog idiocy being classic examples) and he knows better.

Hell, he can't even bear to mention Rocker's name. Weird, huh? Almost as though he is beholden to him in some manner. And then Herb comes onto the scene.

It really is amateur night over there. That's why I don't devote much time or real estate to his scribblings. They are self explanatory, as is his censoring of posts which show him to be lying. He is not prepared for the blog world, IMO, just as Mathews wasn't. Lies are exposed quickly in the blogsphere, and he doesn't realize that the posts he is censoring make it here, and are posted.


Nothing would surprise me, after the Abramoff revelations that a journalist syndicated in 100's of papers could be bought for $2K. And gary isn't syndicated anywhere, last time I checked. Not that I am saying he is being paid. I'm not. I frankly don't find him worth paying, and find it hard to believe that anyone would.

But I do agree it is hard to reconcile his latest stance with his past stances and knowledge.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By rtway1 on 2/19/2006 8:50 PM
If Gary keeps on doing whatever he does so well, he sure will help Amazon stay stocked with used books in the $2 range.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By InTheKnow on 2/19/2006 10:34 PM
Gary Weiss' lastest garbage is about a poll taken on the CMKX board. The fool doesn't even know that it is so overun by bashers that any poll taken there means nothing.
This guy has to be the most dimwitted reporter on the face of the earth or he is so biased and slanted that he uses a CMKX poll to try and prove his stupidity.
We know you read this board pea brain. James Cummins kicked your ass all over town. I would love to see you debate him and Bob O'Brien.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By dave on 2/20/2006 10:00 AM
"It is really amature night over there."

I think the problem is that when they used to post lies in the mainstream press, they would "stick". They might get the odd letter to the editor or producer, but generally, the reader was forced to suck it up.

I'm not sure they are used to participating in an educated debate based on facts.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By anon on 2/20/2006 10:01 AM
matthews used to respond (on TV even) on the "does NSS exist" question with "I don't even know how to naked short". Now? He has acknowledged that it does, and that also the world was discovered to not be flat.

Someone send Weiss the Goldstein-Tradestation article.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By dave on 2/20/2006 2:28 PM
I noticed that, too.

It seems we've moved their argument from "There is no such thing as naked shorting" to "Naked shorting performs a valuable service by protecting us from the irrational exuberence" (that same exuberence that might make our investments appreciate in value.)

Once a liar, always a liar.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By rtway1 on 2/18/2006 11:01 AM
I hoped you typed this slow for Wilbur to read. The only people I can think of, that could possibly have this much time to spend on a message board are those who have no life, or those whose lives are about to change. I think it is both.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By bobo on 2/18/2006 11:04 AM
I agree that the single most important thing any individual can do is tell everyone about this site. The word is being disseminated, and if everyone you know gets informed of it, and they inform everyone they know, we have critical mass - the tipping point...
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By n-tres-ted on 2/18/2006 1:15 PM
Bob,

The SEC formal investigation of Rocker/Gradient seems to have been forced to the foreground by the prominence of OSTK's defense/offense. But surely Rocker/Gradient are not the only players in the NSS problem. SEC supposedly has been investigating 35 or more financial institutions for months. So are we going to see other formal investigations announced soon, or will that be only when SEC has to go public?
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By InTheKnow on 2/18/2006 1:15 PM
I figure by next week or the week after the critical mass point will be reached and Tony Ryals will be posting here!
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By rtway1 on 2/18/2006 12:13 PM
Unless they have changed the requirements for a securities license or stockbrokers license, the requirement is that you pass a test (which is a rather hard and tricky test) and also pass government security to make sure you are not felonius. There is no degree of any kind or special schooling involved. A guy could be a ballerina today and a stock broker a month from now. A broker is nothing more than a sales person who generally touts what is the special of the day. There are some very reputable brokers just as their are reputable autosalesmen or women.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By rtway1 on 2/18/2006 12:21 PM
Since you have written this piece, there still is no mention of any kind regarding the content of the subpoenas or any mention of Rocker or Gradient. The whole trick is to keep those two names out of the limelight, and keep you center stage as well as any one else who offers more proof of manipulation. You have done it again my furry friend by using their ammunition in your gun. They are such dumb asses.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By Chris on 2/18/2006 12:29 PM
Bob, Maybe it's time for the Bunny Fund, if you started your own hedge fund or became a broker/dealer,with the following you have, I'm sure you could find a lot of investors that believe in you and would be happy to invest with you.Trust is earned!
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By janie on 2/18/2006 1:16 PM
Sorry, I just have to do it...........

The fab four became a party of five
Which made the hedgies cry
They reported the truth
And rallied the troops
Now the crooks have no place to hide

These bloggers have taken the task
Of correcting market sins of the past
May the penalties be stiffer
For failing to deliver
Until then, the SEC can just kiss my ass

To take on these thugs isn't easy
They're slimy and they're sleazy
Making their threats
While hedging their bets
bobo says "you can all just bite me"

Along came a CEO named Rod
Who found market conditions odd
He spoke to the Commission
Asked "what is your mission?"
And "When will you do your job?"

The market is full of rogues
Stocks not purchased, but way oversold
Companies are killed
While orders are filled
And the routine is starting to get old

Mr. Weiss your blog is crap
A misconstruing of the facts
If your book is the same
You should change your name
And admit you're a corporate rat

Mr. Weiss your blog is baloney
Your facts are baseless and phoney
Have a sanity check
Before your nerves are wrecked
When the truth is known of your croanies
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By opcowboy'03 on 2/18/2006 1:17 PM
Bobo, I know you have been very busy with blogs, MB and hiding but I am really looking forward to a book. Are you waiting for the FTD fiasco to come to somewhat of a conclusion before you publish one of your titles?
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By rtway1 on 2/18/2006 1:51 PM
Janie, that was excellent.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By bobo on 2/18/2006 2:12 PM
OP:

I have completed the two novels and they are being shopped - a slow process. The non-fiction suffers as I haven't had the time to sit down and write for two weeks straight - that's about as much as is required to finish it. I'll post a sample few pages from the non-fiction as well as the fiction at some point so you can get a feel for the flavors - I would put the fiction up against Grisham or Demille with no apologies.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By rtway1 on 2/18/2006 2:41 PM
Speaking of buying some masterpiece works on investment journalism, I decided to shop the web for such treasures. And being I am rather frugal, I was delighted to find out that I can purchase a Gary Weiss "Born to Steal" for $7.95 new or $2 used. I think I,ll go for the used. This was at Amazon. They didn,t have any signed editions, do you think he might, oh never mind.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By investor2006 on 2/18/2006 2:45 PM
opcowboy,

Also in june or so, mark faulk's book is coming out about ftd/nss. Should prove to be a good read. Can't wait to see it out on shelves.

investor2006
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By rtway1 on 2/18/2006 2:47 PM
I asked my wife how much a roll of toilet paper cost and she said abot 4 rolls for $2. I would feel really bad that my literary masterpeice was outdone by Charmin.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By bobo on 2/18/2006 2:58 PM
$2, huh? rtway beat me by a nanosecond - that's less than good toilet paper! Huh - on second thought, maybe it isn't good toilet paper? Or maybe Charmin is better researched and has more intrinsic value?

Or maybe the book/toilet paper market is more efficient than the stock market...
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By stormchaser on 2/18/2006 5:06 PM
Thanks Man...and here I thought Ad Hominem was something you spread on Pita bread........
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By Niel Storts on 2/18/2006 5:06 PM
You must remember that Weiss's efforts provide a second source of value. The first is bemused wonder that one claiming to be a wordsmith would display such limited ablity to spin a yarn. The second is the more practical application.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By lenofus on 2/18/2006 5:07 PM
Remember, yesterday on CNBC, when asked aboiut the price of oil, commented he wanted to see how serious the Gradiant complaint was before saying anything.
Do you think he's looking for some unwinding of the great Rocker's fund?
MAJOR NEWS ORGANIZATION By Kevin on 2/18/2006 5:08 PM
Bob -

Have you presented your information and investigative research to any news producers at ABC, NBC, CBS or CNN to see if there was interest to dig deep into this? I can see a mid-level producer being interested with the possibility of breaking a major news story on the scale of Enron, though the very high powers-that-be could put the kabosh on it depending how far in bed the news organization sare in bed with Wall Street.

Your thoughts?
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By Steve on 2/18/2006 5:09 PM
I first ran into you(not literally) on the Yahoo message board over 2 and 1/2 years ago. It didn't take long reading your posts and having discussions that I knew you knew what your were talking about. Many discussions were had about how long it would take to really expose the FTD issue. And I, as well as you and a few others, said we would have to be very patient and persisten. I'm happy I'm patient and I'm very happy you have had the time to have vigorously pursue the issue. I want personally thank you for all you've done. You've proven to be a force to be reckoned with. Keep up the good work.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By mfairview on 2/18/2006 4:36 PM
Bob, put it online for sale in digital format. Have it read for the book to tape so people can IPOD it. You have a captured audience here.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By bobo on 2/18/2006 5:14 PM
Kevin: I haven't, as I don't have that sort of entre - but judging by the Dateline piece, I think we can all guess what the appetite for blowing the lid off this is in the mainstream media.

Steve: De Nada.

Mfairview: I'll have to consider that. I haven't finished the non-fiction yet, so that could be a better online mechanism - frankly the book thing has just not been a priority - getting the message out is more important in my timeline - there will be plenty of time to write once this is fully exposed. I'll work on posting the first 10 pages of both so that folks can get a flavor for the pieces, and then see what the interest level is.
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By bobo on 2/18/2006 5:16 PM
Canada looking at finally adopting Reg SHO compliance measures:

http://www.investmentexecutive.com/client/en/News/DetailNews.asp?id=32531&IdSection=8&cat=8&BImageCI=1
Re: Ad Hominem, Flailing, Weiss, The DTCC, and the Price of Tea By Browntrout on 2/18/2006 6:07 PM
Bobo-Canada- I wonder if they will also grandfather everything? Jumping on board to say "All is Well, Pleasant Dreams!" On board the TITANIC that is.

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