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Posted by:   bobo 8/4/2007 9:01 AM

I've taken the position that Wall Street, and the banks that run the US economy, have been taking radically dangerous risks with no expectation of having to ultimately be accountable for their foolhardiness - they intend to stick the taxpayer with the fallout, long after the mega bonuses and stolen savings of America have been spent on coke, yachts and mansions.

That the prime brokers act as a de facto cartel, engaging in illegal racketeering and stock manipulation, is the crux of the OSTK suit. I sense that we will see, from discovery, that my description of the anatomy of a manipulation, from years ago, will turn out to be 100% accurate. Hedge funds use their cronies in the press to smear targets, which the prime brokers and options MMs then assist them in destroying, all the while as the SEC pretends concern (while actually rolling its eyes and shopping for jets, for when its top staffers go into private practice).

The other Easter Bunny refrain readers should be familiar with is that hedge funds, with their enormous leverage, pose a systemic risk, and that their complete lack of regulation (bought by their influence with their wholly captured politician buddies) could vapor lock the system and cause a global depression under the right circumstances.

A few articles came out in unlikely places - the NY press - that underscore that what has been obvious to me, and my readers, for years, is actually the tame version of the looting of America.

First, we have Bear Stearns already circling with regulators and the treasury to keep them appraised of the fallout from F-ing up their risk management on CDOs. Two observations: 1) They are doing so because they will need to frame the argument that they are too big to fail due to their importance to the economy - translation is that when they bet right, they get to keep the stolen cash, and when they bet wrong, taxpayers should pay their liabilities. 2) Just a couple hedge funds can destroy a Wall Street powerhouse and cause a systemic crisis - so why has the popular refrain of everyone from the Fed to the government been, "they will police themselves" when that has NEVER IN RECORDED HISTORY EVER WORKED?

The NY Post, ironically, has the article that should serve as the canary in the coal mine on this one. I'm sure the NY press is still busy convincing the rest of the country that I am some wild-eyed loon or penny stock scammer, however for a loon, an astounding number of my predictions relating to this situation now seem prescient.

Including the conclusion, now several years old, that the SEC is as bent as a silly straw, and is nothing more than a thinly veiled PR entity for Wall Street, to convince the rubes in the hinterland that there is a sheriff on duty. Newsflash. There isn't, and hasn't been, for decades. It is a lie. Even the always sucking-up DTCC sock puppet 'lil GW has to admit it - the SEC is gamed, and should be dismantled. Everything from its foot dragging on SHO, to eliminating the 70+ year old uptick rule designed to prevent massive bear raids, to its obvious obstruction of justice in the Pequot matter, points to that. It's refusal to implement timely short reporting by those massively short, the stance that market data that would serve to inform investors is secret, the clear indication that those with juice get hall passes on the rule of law, the wrist slaps to criminals intent upon wholesale fraud....

From the NY Times comes this report on the findings of the Judiciary Committee - which I predict nobody will act on. Why would they? Wall Street owns them. Every politician needs money from Wall Street to win. Who is going to piss off the money cartel by spelling it out and then taking action? Nobody. That's who. My prediction is we will be slammed with a massive financial crisis wholly built by Wall Street and its larcenous ways, we will be told by the wholly owned government that it is necessary to further mortgage our children's' futures and our own retirements in order to pay the tab for Wall Street's theft of trillions, and the Fed will continue to dilute any value of the dollar in secret - just like most banana republics, we have stopped publishing M3 (the money supply) stats so nobody knows precisely how hard the printing presses are running.

Meanwhile the crooks continue to game the markets, which are basically a joke now. Bear raids are a daily occurrence by anonymous pools of money with no accountability or regulation. The cops are crooked. The economy is faltering due to Fed manipulation of interest rates, following Greenspan's encouragement that everyone get into rate-sensitive mortgages. The next thing will be a radical tightening of margin, just like in 1929, which will kill some of the over-leveraged hedge funds, which in turn will cause more catastrophic failures, which will in turn create a domino effect.

Everything I, and Patrick, and Dave, and Mark, and Bud, have been complaining about, and warning about, for years now, is unfolding before your eyes. In slow motion. The tin foil hat crowd turns out to have been 100% correct about NSS, about the SEC's crookery, about the astounding larceny and menace posed by hedge funds....

Which will be forgotten by the mainstream media, as they understand that writing history allows one to ignore uncomfortable truths exposed by the "amateurs" on the web.

The NY media ignored this for years. It called us names, pretended that we were all loco, persecuted us, and basically lied to the country in favor of advancing the agenda of its Wall Street masters. It continues to do so. The idea that the press will serve as a watchdog is as much of an anochronism as the notion that the SEC will protect you from Wall Street. It won't. It cannot be trusted. It had its chance, and it failed miserably, because a few scumbags could be bought for a few pieces of silver, and preferred to betray the public trust than to do the job they aspired to.

Just as it has been for all of history.

Welcome to the end game.

Copyright ©2007 Bob O'Brien
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Comments (18)
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By Azkole on 8/4/2007 2:55 PM
Do you think the OSTK/NFI suits are forcing their hand faster than they wanted? Now that the lawyers have been given the green light for discovery, wouldn't you think the armegeddon you speak of will be stalled as to not give ammo to the OSTK/NFI legal team?
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By bobo on 8/4/2007 4:41 PM
Azkole: No, I don't think the suits will have the effect you speak of. Wall Street never covers a short position at a loss, and it never concedes defeat. Ever. I think that the crash of the system I fear is one of the mechanisms we will see to redistribute wealth, and I don't think that the brokers particularly care if they have to pay a few billion to settle out or in a judgment, if they can make tens of billions tanking the system, and eliminating their liability in NSS stocks. I further believe that all the markers are there - the easy money rates and gradual tightening by the Fed mirror the late 1920s. Ditto for my predicted increase in margin requirements that will cause further cracks in the system, and a further selloff of assets to meet the requirements. Put another way, when 1000 hedge funds find that their collateral they leveraged 10 or 20 to 1 just dropped in value by half, or that their good buddy broker informs them they have until the end of the day Monday to come up with 10% more collateral or there will be a forced selling of assets to meet the margin call, and those hedge funds are also contra-parties in trillions of dollars of derivatives....you have the stuff global conflagerations are made of.

In that scenario, no, I don't see the OSTK suit as their biggest issue.
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By InTheKnow on 8/4/2007 4:42 PM
They're all a bunch of crooked scumbags at the SEC yet The Report can't find anyone accountable. WTFF!

What's in your wallet?
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By Karnack on 8/4/2007 4:42 PM
I see big lawsuits against the SEC in the future......lots of angry former and current employees and investors named as plaintiffs......
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By Joe Stocks on 8/4/2007 7:54 PM
MORAL HAZARD

For the last several months I have been doing a good bit of research trying to obtain some insight into inter-relationship between the Federal Reserve, the government, and the large money center NYSE member banks. In my reading I kept coming upon the phrase 'MORAL HAZARD'- as in “we want to avoid a MORAL HAZARD". I tried to find the definition as they defined within the context of what I was reading - no luck. These guys seem to have their own code words.

Recently I started reading Robert Rubin's book, 'In an Uncertain World'. As Secretary of the Treasury during the Clinton Administration, I thought I would try to get in the mind of one of the principals of the group we call the Plunge Protection Team (PPT). In the book he writes about his service at the White House. The book starts off with the Mexican Bailout and discusses that bailout and those that followed from the perspective of Mr. Rubin. After the first few pages he uses the term and defines 'MORAL HAZARD'.

MORAL HAZARD - A problem whereas investors, after being insulated from the consequences of risk by intervention, might pay insufficient attention to similar risk the next time, or operate on the expectation of official intervention.

We traders know this government intervention more as the 'Greenspan Put'.

'Private Counterparty Surveillance' is another phrase that I read several times. This is basically the large NYSE member banks, a couple of well connected hedge funds, and that form the 'Counterparty Risk Management Policy Group'. The one financial member of this group that is not a bank or a hedge fund is General Motors Asset Management. I guess with $300 billion in outstanding paper they want to be sure GM has a seat at the table.

Now bailouts have been around for a long time. Going back a bit I remember the Chrysler bailout. Did you know that Alan Greenspan was against the government bailing them out. Wow! Did he change his tune in later years or what!

What we also know is that we had a series of bailouts in the mid to late 90's that started out with the Mexican bailout. Robert Rubin of Goldman Sachs was sworn in as Secretary of the Treasury on the evening of January 10th, 1995. That same evening an emergency meeting was held to finalize a plan to bail out Mexico. I guess this could not be done until the well connected Rubin was in office. The administration waited until Rubin was confirmed and sworn in to move ahead.

We also had Greenspan's "irrational exuberance" speech, Long Term Capital Management (LTCM) bailout, the "Asian Flu" economic crisis and Y2K followed. All contributed to what we all now know as a 'MORAL HAZARD'. In 1999 the 'Counterparty Risk Management Policy Group' (CRMPG) was formed to address the issues with LTCM and to develop policy that would protect the financial world from another threat to the financial markets such as the LTCM incident.

Now fast forward to 2002. In May of 2002 the SEC appears to have fears that a major bank – one of two that clear government paper – may become insolvent due to derivative issues. The possible problem bank is JP Morgan. By the end of the year CRMPG recommends the foundation of a new bank be put in place just in case. The new bank would be a coordinated effort of the members of the CRMPG. The Federal Reserve and the SEC approve.

Also in 2002 it just so happens that we see a big jump in the use of program trades. The major players are also members of the CRMPG. Those without large proprietary trading units such as Citigroup, start them. Citigroup is quoted as saying something along the lines that due to ‘new’ innovations they see less risk in trading.

Remember JPM’s “problems”. Suddenly they went away. A ‘stealth bailout’ is put in place. About year later the Wall Street Journal reported concerns that JPM was making a lot of money in the "risky" business of trading their own capital. They said, "Profits have been increasing recently due to a small and low profile group of traders making big bets with the firm's money. Apparently, an eight man New York team has pulled in more than $100M of trading profit with the company suggesting it is a result of better market conditions and not greater risk."

Program trading was running at about 25% of all shares traded on the NYSE in early 2002. Today program trading is running near 60%.

Then, in September of 2002 Alan Greenspan gave this speech. The link: http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/speeches/2002/200209252/default.htm

Here is an excerpt;
Greenspan: “Owing to persistent advances in information and computing technologies, the structure of our financial institutions is continuously changing, I trust for the better. But that evolution in financial structure has also meant that supervision and regulation must be continually changing in order to respond adequately to these developments. In today's markets, for example, there is an increased reliance on private counterparty surveillance as the primary means of financial control. Governments supplement private surveillance when they judge that market imperfections could lead to sub-optimal economic performance.”

“I trust for the better.” Sounds like he is not real sure.

“increased reliance on private counterparty surveillance as the primary means of financial control.” Greenspan here acknowledges the CRMPG and endorses their actions to control the markets.

“Governments supplement private surveillance…” Governments – as in more than one? If you look at the members of the CRMPG you will find some foreign banks included. We are not looking at a group that deals solely with the US markets. Any market that could be contagious to the greater good is subject to control by the CRMPG.

In 2004 Greenspan acknowledged concerns about derivative growth. All markets had seen strong growth in the previous five years. In the OTC market, the notional outstanding of equity-linked derivatives was $4.5 trillion in June 2004, having tripled in size over the previously five years (source: BIS). The listed options market has also shown strong growth. For example, in 2004 the combined open interest of equity index options contracts on was around $3 trillion notional, double that of 1999. Turnover, at $200 billion notional per day in 2004, was triple that of 1999 (source: BIS). Data for the retail structured product markets is less comprehensive. Estimated issuance in Europe was around €100 billion in 2004. Around half of the issuance was in Italy, Spain and the UK (the other major European markets are France, Germany and Switzerland).

On this basis, the market has doubled in size from 2000 to 2004. Greenspan called on the major players to meet with the Fed and discuss their exposure. Out of this meeting came the request for the CRMPG to report what actions it felt necessary for the markets to remain stable.

The CRMPG filed their report in July of 2005. Here are some selected excerpts with my comments.
The report can be found here. http://www.crmpolicygroup.org/docs/CRMPG-II.pdf

CRMPG: “The primary purpose of CRMPG II — building on the 1999 report of CRMPG I — is to examine what additional steps should be taken by the private sector to promote the efficiency, effectiveness and stability of the global financial system. As practitioners, the members of CRMPG II recognize that periodic financial disruptions and shocks are inevitable. However, the Policy Group also believes that it is possible to take steps that would be capable of reducing the frequency of such shocks and, especially, to reduce the risk that such shocks would take on the contagion features that can produce systemic damage to the financial system and the real economy.”

Again it appears the CRMPG mandate is to control the markets. How else are they to reduce the frequency of periodic financial disruptions.

CRMPG: “since we know that financial disturbances and even financial shocks will occur in the future, and we know that no approaches to risk management or official supervision are fail-safe, we also know that we must preserve and strengthen the institutional arrangements whereby, at the point of crisis, industry groups and industry leaders, as well as supervisors, are prepared to work together in order to serve the larger and shared goal of financial stability.”

If you read through this whole document it is all about working together for the greater good. On the surface, that sounds all well and good. However, free markets do not work this way. Their collusion at their highest ranks to secure the financial stability of the largest financial institutions could be at odds with the investments of smaller institutions and may be at odds with the small investor’s long term investments and goals. When LTCM failed many of us could have not cared less if you were not a shareholder of one on the banks that bailed them out. The bailout was simply put in place to save their own skins and the investors they serve.

CRMPG: “It is acceptable market practice for a financial intermediary’s sales and trading personnel to provide their sophisticated counterparties with general market levels or “indications,” including inputs and variables that may be used by the counterparty to calculate a value for a complex transaction. Additionally, if a counterparty requests a price or level for purposes of unwinding a specific complex transaction, and the financial intermediary is willing to provide such price or level, it is appropriate for the financial intermediary’s sales and trading personnel to furnish this information.”

Sounds like a formula for collusion and manipulation to me. How would you like to be the other side of the trade with these guys in one of the pre-arranged trades.

CRMPG: “Following execution of a complex transaction, the financial intermediary will often maintain communication with the counterparty in the interest of maintaining good client relations. As part of
this communication, the financial intermediary, although under no legal obligation to do so, may wish to alert its counterparty to any observed market change that it determines may challenge the underlying assumptions or principal drivers that motivated the counterparty to establish the original position.”

No, I did not make this up. We know from above that the big banks are being encouraged to share information. We know there are two sides to each trade. Again, how would you like to be the less connected investor.

Let’s read Greenspan’s thoughts excerpted from the same speech as referenced earlier;

Greenspan: “There should not be much dispute that markets function best when the participants are fully informed. Yet, paradoxically, the full disclosure of what some participants know can undermine incentives to take risk, a precondition to economic growth. No one can deny that fully informed market participants will generate the most efficient pricing of resources and the most efficient allocation of capital. Moreover, it could be argued that, if all information held by individual buyers or sellers became available to all participants, the pricing structure would more closely reflect the underlying balance of supply and demand. Thus full information would appear to be the unambiguous objective. But should it be?”

But should it be? Who is he trying to kid! As a small investor I would like to have as much of an equal footing through the knowledge available as the next guy, no matter how connected they are. We require public corporations to provide open and full disclosure with the public, why should the CRMPG be allowed to collude to rig the market against free market principles?

In closing – the CRMPG has to be in the market daily. Current derivative exposure of the major NYSE banks makes it necessary. The CRMPG report gives them the outline to execute their strategy in collusion at the expense of ultimately the small investor that gives them the fuel to increase that trading returns.

MORAL HAZARD has led to MORAL decay at the highest ranks of our financial institutions.

Move over PPT – the CRMPG is at the wheel now.

A link for the most current CRMPG report is here.
http://www.crmpolicygroup.org/docs/CRMPG-II.pdf

Note: Notice how the report is addressed to the chairman of Goldman Sachs. Notice that Goldman Sachs had much imput into the report and the CRMPG is Chaired by a Goldman Sachs guy. Also make note that the current Secretary of the Treasury just came over from GS as well as an new appointee.
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By Azkole on 8/4/2007 7:49 PM
The OSTK/NFI cases might not be the dragon slayer but once they settle or have to pay a judgement don't you think every lawyer in the country will be looking to get a piece of them?

You mentioned before that no securities lawyer ever wants to make it to trial, especially in CA. That being the case they will probably settle. If they do, every other Reg SHO company or it's investors could file right? If it goes to court and a judgement is rendered all their dirty little secrets will be aired and they will have to pay. Seems like the brokers are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

How do you personally see the OSTK/NFI case ending? Settlement or judgement?
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By bobo on 8/4/2007 9:20 PM
Azkole: I don't really know. I wouldn't put it past the bad guys to get to a judge, or to have the case shelved or tossed for any number of "national security" reasons. For the good of the economy. Because the CIA is running money through certain hedge funds to fund their black ops or friendly regimes, or to launder money for strategic allies in need of a few extra bucks Congress won't officially greenlight. Write your own scenario, no matter how implausible, and it likely closer to the truth than what you will read in the NY press. What would be smart? Settle, and allow some big fish to bite it and go to lockup for token periods - not big fish at the level of those running the country now, but rather some prominent hedge fund guys. Then everyone can look good, and it can return to business as usual.

Then again, if guys with guns and badges get involved, I think you will see a settlement so fast it will make your head spin. Grown men will cry to avoid going to the slammer, and every bit of evidence collected by the plaintiff's counsel is likely to make it to law enforcement. Only way to stop that is to close the case. I'll already bet that wheels are in motion to make everything sealed, or whatever the equivalent to a cone of silence is.

So, IMO, the smart thing to do would be to settle, unless you can buy a bent judgment, which they might well be able to do.
the end of the world as we know it..... By The script.... on 8/5/2007 6:50 AM
Bush already signed the documents to claim dictatorship after another terriorist strike or ANY large event. (Like say a system crash) THIS IS PROVEN AND DOCUMENTED!

Overnight he is a dictator, marshall law*(Urban training is documented!!!) is declared and the Internet is shut down fast.

Any dissidents are put in trains to the many known FEMA camps around N.America *Again documented. They are put in trains(Pictured and documented) that are white and have shackles in them. *****THESE TRAINS EXIST NOW******
This is NWO and it will not be as planned but it will try to start the new world.

Creative destruction planned by this administration. Short distort oversell then destroy America(just like those crappy pink stocks)

There is less of them but the sheeple are unaware and manipulated with ease.

jmo

Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By kevin on 8/5/2007 7:14 AM
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18119.htm

"A crash is unavoidable because the policies were designed to create a crash. It’s that simple."

"The impending economic crisis is part of a much broader scheme to remake the political system from the ground-up so it better meets the needs of ruling elite. After the crash, public assets will be sold at firesale prices to the highest bidder. Public lands will be auctioned off. Basic services will be privatized. Democracy will be shelved."

"When the crooks and con-men write the laws (deregulation) and run the system; the results are usually the same. The little guy always gets screwed. That much is certain."

"The American People: “We’re not a dumb as you think” "

"These are encouraging numbers. They show that the vast majority of people have lost confidence in the system and its institutions. They also illustrate the limits of propaganda. People are not as easily indoctrinated as many believe. Eventually the “bewildered herd” catches on and sees through the lies and deception."

"Economic policy is not “accidental”. The Fed’s policies were designed to create a crisis, and that crisis was intended to coincide with the activation of a nation-wide police-state. It is foolish to think that Greenspan or his fellows did not grasp the implications of the system they put in place. These are very smart men and very shrewd economists. They knew exactly what they were doing. They all understand the effects of low interest rates and expanded money supply. And, they’re also all familiar with Ludwig von Mises, who said:

"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion.”

A crash is unavoidable because the policies were designed to create a crash. It’s that simple."
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By n-tres-ted on 8/5/2007 11:39 AM
Joe Stocks,

Thank you for your insights. I am interested in understanding better what "counterparty surveillance" means and by whom it is done, so I'll look further into the reports you cite.
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By bobo on 8/5/2007 1:58 PM
Counterparty surveillance means that the guy on the other side of the trade is supposed to monitor you for trickery. That means that Wall Street allows Bear to monitor Goldman, who supposedly monitors Citi who supposedly monitors Bear.

That clearly worked great. Nobody who has spent 10 minutes around recidivist criminals or sociopaths would buy the notion.
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By gregcable2002 on 8/5/2007 2:22 PM
in the end they bleed americans dry and put us all on the peso.
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By n-tres-ted on 8/5/2007 4:35 PM
I read the 2005 CRMPG report. Talk about eye-bleeding boredom. My hat is off to JS for making sense of it. So far as I can tell, counterparty surveillance essentially means keep track of your customer/client/borrower so you can better understand the credit risk you take as a bank/lender. In all sincerity, it looks like pretty plain vanilla stuff to me. Sort of like window dressing to make it appear the big investment houses are doing something effective to assess and minimize the risk they and others are assuming in today's markets. This whole risk assessment thing was Alan Greenspan's excuse for running monetary policy the way he did. He lobbied against any rule maintaining dollar value because it would inhibit his flexibility in responding to crises (which usually are caused by the Fed's floating dollar). Sorry, but I don't see this CRMPG as a smoking gun related to NSS/FTD. JMO. And I do appreciate the food for thought, as I said before.
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By Joe Stocks on 8/5/2007 10:11 PM
Are you familar with dark pools of luquidity set up by the members of CRMPG? Once such darlk pool is BIDS. "BIDS Trading is a subsidiary of BIDS Holdings, L.P., a joint venture of the following financial services firms: Bank of America,Citi, Deutsche Bank, JP Morgan, Lehman, Morgan Stanley,Bear Stearns, Credit Suisse
Goldman Sachs,Knight, Merril Lynch, UBS"

Another is LeveL. Here are a couple of excerpts from their website;

>>Q5: How was LeveL designed?
A5: LeveL has a sophisticated order matching engine that was designed to facilitate the crossing of order flow as well as contra-party trading. <<

>>BIDS trading overview
Block traders may use the BIDS ATS to anonymously discover counterparty interest for large block orders in a manner that maximizes their ability to control the characteristics of the transaction.

"countra-party"..."counterparty"...we know that the major NYSE member banks that support and fund these 'dark pools of liquidity' are all members of the Counterparty Risk Management Policy Group (CRMPG).

We also know that Greenspan said in the fall of 2002 "there is an increased reliance on private counterparty surveillance as the primary means of financial control. Governments supplement private surveillance when they judge that market imperfections could lead to sub-optimal economic performance."

Doesn't take much to connect the dots and see that the Federal Reserve fully endorses the CRMPG and whatever means they take to push the markets higher in their attempt to support the Federal Reserve mandate of optimal economic performance. Collusion, manipulation...it is all for the greater good they would argue.

Greenspan also said this in the same speech noted above; "There should not be much dispute that markets function best when the participants are fully informed. Yet, paradoxically, the full disclosure of what some participants know can undermine incentives to take risk, a precondition to economic growth."

Read it again but translate it out of Greenspeak by eliminating the the less relevant words, "markets function best when the participants are fully informed. Yet, the full disclosure of what some participants know can undermine economic growth."

The Federal Reserve with the participation of the CRMPG has killed the free market. We went from a market of capitalist, whereas underlying values were paramount and the free market considerably more efficient; to a collective market of masses of uninformed free market participants with the passing of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA), which encouraged many of the those that have been insufficiently educated to recognize value, to become full participants in the equity markets; to today where we have the elite of WallStreet engaging in collusion with our Federal government, through the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department (now fully staffed with prior Goldman Sach's employees)creating a market that capitalizes itself by spreading the spoils of the markets to the less informed and skimming the riches for the well connected. All this, mind you, done in the name optimal economic performance that will benefit us all.

Tell me, when our economic system implodes how will that benefit us all?

Let's go back anfd look at something the CRMPG report said;

CRMPG: “It is acceptable market practice for a financial intermediary’s sales and trading personnel to provide their sophisticated counterparties with general market levels or “indications,” including inputs and variables that may be used by the counterparty to calculate a value for a complex transaction. Additionally, if a counterparty requests a price or level for purposes of unwinding a specific complex transaction, and the financial intermediary is willing to provide such price or level, it is appropriate for the financial intermediary’s sales and trading personnel to furnish this information.”

Remember these guys afe talking about maintaining optimal economic performance and econnomic stabilty. Are they talking about me and you's economic stability. No...theirs!!

So what if that paragraph was written by instead of a association of NYSE members banks, a consortium of OIL COMPANIES...

“It is acceptable market practice for LARGE OIL COMPANIES AND FUTURES TRADERS sales and trading personnel to provide OTHER OIL COMPANIES with general market levels or “indications,” including inputs and variables that may be used by the OIL COMPANIES to calculate a value for FUTURE OIL PRICES. Additionally, if a OIL COMPANY counterparty requests a price or level for purposes of unwinding a specific complex transaction, and the financial intermediary is willing to provide such price or level, it is appropriate for the financial intermediary’s sales and trading personnel to furnish this information.”

Now the idea behind the CRMPG is to keep the financial system healthy by making the banks more profitable. Would we so readily accept OIL COMPANIES have a similar arrangement to guarantee ever high OIL prices so the oil companies can remain highly profitable. Would the government step in bail-out a large oil comapny like Exxon? I don't think so. Funny think is that oil prices are more determined in the short to intermediate time frame by the energy futures trading teams of the members of the CRMPG.

Many want to discuss and debate the PPT. Why? The CRMPG document shows that they have the power and backing the the Federal Government to operate in a manner that is most times on speculated to be done by the PPT. The CRMPG is ver real. They have to be in the market daily.





Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By oldfeller on 8/5/2007 10:12 PM
Might as well crown Paris Hilton as Queen of the new Amero-State. What better face to put on the new money? All kidding aside, I am actually becoming more optimistic. People are taking an interest and learning. Several people I know who have never expressed any interest in the stock market have asked me recently if they should pull their cash out of their 401k`s and mutual funds. I tell them no. Why own dollars? The market can be fixed quickly and easily once enough people understand the problems and demand change. The problems with our currency are another matter.
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By old duffer on 8/6/2007 11:57 AM
They think there is no answering
Re: It really is the end of the world as we know it..... By SecondStarter on 8/6/2007 11:58 AM
Oldfeller: thanks for those comments. I have started to get very concerned about my 401k, having spent the past 12 years socking away as much as possible into it. I spent 10 years in South Africa trying to create equity, all the while thinking it might never account for anything as I watched the Zimbabwean economy sink ever lower. My parents lost ALL their equity (along with millions of others), in Zimbabwe, and I was concerned about South Africa. I moved to the US trying to avoid such an outcome for myself and provide for my own future. On reviewing these issues however, I have started to wonder if the US economy may well go the same way as those in Africa! I fervently hope that this is resolved in a manner that is not too hard a hit for "us little people" of the investment world.
Cramer... By tml on 8/6/2007 11:59 AM
I only heard half of this rant, as I started laughing hysterically when he was screaming about 'people he knows losing their jobs' ... enjoy...

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/060807_economy_bust.html

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