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Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street

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Posted by:   bobo 1/15/2007 9:43 PM

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I recall as though it was yesterday the breathless articles on Reg SHO, and how short squeezes would be rampant once the rule was implemented.

Turns out that was completely false. A fabrication, or hopelessly naive on the part of the writers who spun the yarn.

And yet every time anything comes out of the SEC that even hints at reining in Wall Street, new puff pieces are issued forth proclaiming dire calamities ahead.

Witness the latest in the string, by no means remarkable other than for the predictability of its assertions (sort of like anything ever written by Professor Owen Lamont, who is now working for a hedge fund, and whose body of work could be summarized by the words, "Shorts are good!!!") and the workmanlike quality of its rationalizations, from Vodiagroup.

This is the same hackneyed argument as the one from two years ago, and ignores that no such short squeeze epidemic happened then, either. Essentially, this fanciful bit of hogwash can be synthesized down to, "If you require sellers to actually deliver what they got paid for, all hell will break loose!"

Or perhaps more accurately, "If you stop enabling billionaire hedge fund managers and their all-powerful prime brokers to refuse to deliver what they sold and were paid for, then all hell will break loose."

The argument is classic Chewbacca defense.

First, let's start with the fact that it frames those taking investor money, and refusing to deliver what they were paid for, as a potential victim class waiting to happen.

Pure poppycock. Imagine. The logic is so dim as to rival flat earth arguments. The miscreant predators, whose sole reason for refusing to deliver is to create endless selling pressure, thereby manipulating the victim company's stock into the toilet, could actually face the consequences of having market forces play the other side of that bet, fair and square. Boo hoo hoo. Poor potential victim billionaire hedge funds, and their poor prime broker enablers, who might not make as many billions of bonus dollars if they had to deliver what they sold, and their manipulations were ended.

They are victims.

Really.

That is the logic. Sort of like the burglar shot by the homeowner defending his home in the dead of night is a victim, too.

To call it laughable doesn't do it justice.

Let me put it another way - Wall Street works long and hard to make it seem that you lost your money investing, or speculating.

The reason is that you would be furious and vengeful if you knew that your money was actually stolen by criminals, just as surely as if they had broken into your safe in the wee hours and absconded with your nest egg.

They try to color it as something else, because everybody knows that the guy sneaking out the window with a TV is a thief, nothing more, and there isn't much sympathy for him.

What kills me is that when thieves steal your millions using market manipulation and fraud and racketeering-style collusion, Wall Street dresses it up as something different.

Guess what? It isn't. It is taking your money, and keeping it, defrauding you by falsely representing that rules are in place and being followed - preventing massive market manipulation and outright theft of investor savings, rather than aiding and abetting it.

The rules are a joke. A pathetic joke. Anyone watching the huge reverse put conversions in NFI over the last few weeks, as the company lost 30% of its value on no news, and yet hundreds of thousands or millions of shares per day were printed out of thin air and sold by options market makers colluding with the miscreants, realizes that the regulators would have to be blind, deaf and dumb not to realize what is going on. Everyone else does. Everyone. There are even now real time posts on the Investorvillage message boards as the conversions occur, tracking them to within minutes.

I wonder if a jury of 12 everyday folks will be confused as to why massive derivatives purchases were made, day after day, whose sole effect was to generate millions of naked short shares sold into the market by the options MM, predictably depressing the price of genuine shares authorized by the company. I wonder if they will ask, "Who did all the buying of these puts, and what mechanism made the MM think it was wise to sell millions and millions of shares, without thinking, hmmm, is this a manipulative device?" Or ask, "Who places orders, day in and day out, and then cancels them after hours, when the damage is done?" I could go on for hours as to the myriad number of scams I've seen of late. But I won't bore you with it.

You think anyone will have a hard time understanding fraud when they see it?

That is the real question in the NFI suit against the prime brokers, who allegedly have processed millions of shares they allowed to remain undelivered for months, or years, colluding to achieve the objectives of their wealthy and powerful hedge fund clients, seeks to answer.

Wall Street hates these types of proceedings. What they want is the sort of thing we just saw with Putnam, where the head of the fund, back when market timing with hedge funds robbed investors of billions, recently settled with the SEC for....$75K. That's right, folks, not a misprint. Be the head of a fund that accommodates the robbery of its investors of staggering amounts of money...retire with hundreds of millions of dollars, and get fined $75K.

That sends a pretty clear message. The SEC is a joke. There is no rule of law, nor penalty for connected uber rich Wall Street royalty. Just back slapping and big money payoffs.

In fact, if one wanted to be really cynical, one could say, Spitzer got elected based on bringing these sorts of cases to light - a man of the people and defender of freedom, as well as buddies with and bigtime campaign fund recipient of the hedge funds believed to be the worst offenders - and the press got to say, "See, progress is being made, the bad guys have been stopped," and the perps got to appear to have taken lumps, when in reality they got to laugh their way to the bank, flicking a few shekels at the regulators like so much lint from their Armani sleeves.

That's how it works. No lie.

Meanwhile, Gary Aguirre is fired from the SEC for daring to believe that justice and the law should be evenly applied, his bosses appear before the Senate Judiciary stammering and contradicting themselves and having implausible sudden memory lapses, stocks like NFI and TASR and OSTK and such are routinely manipulated in the most obvious and blatant manner possible using media slams and the aforementioned obvious abusive reverse conversions, and the lawmakers and regulators do not a single thing.

Again, they are stealing your money just as surely as a larcenous bank employee would embezzling your savings, but by pretending that this is different, they hope to baffle you with BS and hope everyone will allow it to continue. Sometimes, the more brazen will argue that you should have known better, that everyone knows that Wall Street is shorthand for lying thieves stealing your stuff. It's your fault for believing the laws would protect you. Shame on you for being so gullible and naive.

The pharmaceutical equivalent would be selling placebos rather than chemo drugs to cancer patients, and then arguing that the type of cancer they were selling products for was largely terminal anyway, so no harm done, and in point of fact, they are the good guys as they saved their victims from all the suffering the side effects to the genuine drugs could cause. There are no words to describe how evil these people are. Truly none.

Short squeezes from hedge funds playing the other side of the trade? Might as well toss that one in with the Tooth Fairy and Santa.

What hedge fund in its right mind would take on the most powerful brokers on Wall Street, and hedge funds that, with leverage, control hundreds of billions of selling might? Please. What pap.

And yet the sausage machine keeps on churning it out, hoping you won't ask what's inside the bun.

Any questions?

Copyright ©2007 Bob O'Brien
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Comments (34)
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By bbhindyou on 1/16/2007 5:28 AM
Just one question.
Why is there a D.T.C.C. ?
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By virakiller on 1/16/2007 8:09 AM
there is a DTCC so the traitors look legitimate

their crimes are so damn OBVIOUS

when will it stop ?
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By davidn on 1/17/2007 9:45 AM
I think the prime brokerages are trying to spin things by saying "the practive of some hedge fund managers of selling shares they don't own". I think the hedge fund managers just short, paying fees to the prime brokerages. They don't necessarily know they are naked shorting until it is too late.

The prime brokerages are the ones that invented the concept of netting repurchase obligations to one another and not actually lending anything real. When I went through statements of financial condition, the biggest repos and fails were with the prime brokerages.
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By Sean on 1/17/2007 9:48 AM
Bobo, if they keep this up NFI's dividend will be higher than the share price.(Sarcasm intended) Until I see these stocks NFI, OSTK, BVF ect. increase in price because of covering I know that these criminals are still in control.
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By selene on 1/17/2007 10:53 AM
Dave Patch

Where are you getting your trade data (quotes)? Are you using just a plain vanilla level II or are you using some form of totalview?

Selene
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By trading on 1/17/2007 11:05 AM
Patchie, many of the trades are fake, canceled after market as "errors".

I think market makers hit their own bid with a fake order to make it seem people are selling. Also, they seem to collude, with several market makers pulling bids at the same time to create the illusion of a sell-off.

Finally, the fund behind the scenes will cross from one MM to another and back again creating the illusion of a sell off.
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By our "leaders" and the rest of us on 1/17/2007 11:16 AM
hedge funds and the powerfully connected...biden, clinton...
all we ever hear is that meaningless dribble "hedge funds are lightly regulated funds for the wealthly".
but what we need to know is exactly how else they get so much liquidity. i read in wsj that hedge funds and private equity get favorable loan rates from banks which allows them to compete at an advantage in bidding for assets & companies. often private equity then saddles the acquired company with the debt.
now why should these funds who remain untransparent get preferred credit terms.
think about when the rest of us have to borrow. does the banks not demand to know all your assets & liabilities when you want to borrow!!
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By snoozern on 1/17/2007 12:57 PM
Nice!

You are in rare form on this piece.

Regards,
Rick
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By our "leaders" and the rest of us on 1/17/2007 1:04 PM
hedge funds and the powerfully connected...biden, clinton...
all we ever hear is that meaningless dribble "hedge funds are lightly regulated funds for the wealthly".
but what we need to know is exactly how else they get so much liquidity. i read in wsj that hedge funds and private equity get favorable loan rates from banks which allows them to compete at an advantage in bidding for assets & companies. often private equity then saddles the acquired company with the debt.
now why should these funds who remain untransparent get preferred credit terms.
think about when the rest of us have to borrow. does the banks not demand to know all your assets & liabilities when you want to borrow!!
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By Hypocrites R Us on 1/17/2007 6:58 PM
"Or perhaps more accurately, "If you stop enabling billionaire hedge fund managers and their all-powerful prime brokers to refuse to deliver what they sold and were paid for, then all hell will break loose."

The argument is classic Chewbacca defense."

Hey, that sounds exactly like you Bob. If something isn't done about the stock market it will implode, crash, self-destruct, going nuclear, blah-blah-blah.

Classic Chewbacca defense Bob?
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By old duffer on 1/16/2007 9:08 AM
The ones doing this have names. Take them down for a list to be used later.

Also take your money out of US markets.
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By ted on 1/16/2007 9:22 AM
How come it is okay to squeeze the longs (by counterfeiting shares), but it isn't okay to squeeze the shorts?

Us longs have suffered downside volatility with little price support because the SEC is allowing the system to have a downward bias that favors the industry (who is more likely to short for liquidity) than the retailers who use real money to go long.
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By ted on 1/16/2007 9:31 AM
How does a reverse put conversion work?
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By Bobo on 1/16/2007 9:58 AM
Ted:

The options MM sells the short seller a bucket of puts, and hedges that by legally naked short selling shares in proportion to the puts. The short seller sells the market maker back some options at a guaranteed profit, of, say, a buck per share, and the MM transfers the newly minted shares to the short, who then uses them to sell into the market.

It is market manipulation, pure and simple, when done day in and day out for the purpose of destroying the share price. But the MMs and the hedge funds don't care because they understand that the SEC isn't interested in stopping them.
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By ted on 1/16/2007 10:45 AM
In the case of NFI, why isn't the short hurt by the dividends? It would have been cheaper for them to have taken their lumps a long time ago, unless there is some way they make money on the options by manipulating the underlying stock. How does the pricing of the NFI preferreds play into this?

I'm looking to buy a bunch of NFI at the depressed price (ridiculous dividend yield), but want to understand how the manipulation works.

Does the option market maker have to cover the short when the options expire?
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By troydian on 1/16/2007 11:09 AM
who are the federal reserve? http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/federal_reserve.shtml
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By troydian on 1/16/2007 11:13 AM
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Doc/RESERVE.doc
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By laundering billions of dollars on 1/16/2007 2:36 PM
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Two former directors and founding shareholders of NETeller, a British online money transfer company, have been charged in the United States with laundering billions of dollars in illegal gambling proceeds.
Canadians Stephen Lawrence, 46, and John Lefebvre, 55, were arrested on Monday -- Lawrence in the U.S. Virgin Islands and Lefebvre in Malibu, California -- U.S. Attorney Michael Garcia said.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=internetNews&storyID=

2007-01-16T205619Z_01_N16223029_RTRIDST_0_OUKIN-UK-CRIME-NETELLER.XML
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By Patchie on 1/16/2007 3:39 PM
I was talking to a reporter and he was asking me about the removal of the grandfather clause and what that means to short selling opportunities, short squeezes, borrow rates of hard to borrow securities, and market making.

Some intro’s:

Wall Street Market makers are claiming that they will not be able to make a market under the new guidelines.

Short Sellers are afraid of Short Squeezes as grandfathered fails are forced to close.

Wall Street has figured the price of a borrow for a hard to borrow stock will sky rocket further limiting short sales in that security.


Reality:

Elimination of the grandfather clause has no impact on market making. The present laws place restrictions on market makers who have fails that are greater than 10 days on an SHO company where the MM must give up the book if they have not closed out their fails. We know by Canadian regulators this is not being enforced. The SEC says that it is the honor system of the market maker to give up the book. Consider this: If they don’t close out fails that took place after the company went on SHO, or give up the book for having fails beyond 10 days, then why would they do it when they fail to close a grandfathered sale? Grandfathered fails are only 8 days older than the other fails they created and failed to close.


Short Squeezes. Won’t happen. To create a short squeeze buy in must occur where shares are actually purchased to close out the fail. Again, under SHO this is already a law with the only limitation being that grandfathered fails are exempt from the buy in. Consider that Overstock had 400,000 FTD’s when they became an SHO Company. They accumulated FTD’s to 3.5 Million with only 400,000 grandfathered – none too interested in closing out that outstanding and mandatory 3.1 million shares. Since the new SHO hasn’t changed the close-out laws, what impact would there be in forcing the original 400,000 FTD’s to close out considering they are a fraction of the total fails accumulated (most after SHO listing)


Borrow Rates climb. That is 100% correct. The cost for a short seller to short will go up but the actual settlement rate will not change. Wall Street will use this law to justify raising rates on hard to borrow stocks but…the fails will still take place with the prime broker pocketing the higher profit. Good for Wall Street – bad for short seller.


SHO will not work until three things happen.

Close out of fails greater than 10 days must have a time limit and not be “effort to close”. Making an effort today is going into a market and saying “ya got any shares”. When the answer is no they claim an effort is made. Close out must be re-identified as “buy in at any cost and 5-days timeline” or be fined TBD.


The Commission has decided to adopt, with certain modifications from what was proposed, additional requirements targeted at stocks that have a substantial amount of failures to deliver. As adopted, Rule 203(b)(3) requires any participant of a registered clearing agency ("participant")80 to take action on all failures to deliver that exist in such securities ten days after the normal settlement date, i.e., 13 consecutive settlement days.81 Specifically, the participant is required to close out the fail to deliver position by purchasing securities of like kind and quantity. [Take action simply means make an effort to get shares; if you fail that is okay. Like kind and qty means if I shorted 10,000 shares at $5.00 I should close out 10,000 shares at $5.00, if all that is available is 10,000 shares at $5.50 that is not like kind…and could cost me money so I can’t close it out and don’t have to]

Market making must be fully defined and audited. Market makers with excessive fails can manipulate a market to cover their fails by drawing investors out. There needs to be limits on what percentage of any daily trade volume in any given day can be “bona-fide market making exempt” in a declining market – no more than 2%.


Regulators must conduct audits where they actually look at the trade data and start shutting down firms or holding people liable. We haven’t yet heard of many fines etc…against Wall Street with the present non close out activities taking place by the firms.

I see this new law doing nothing up front.
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By bribery pays well on 1/16/2007 3:44 PM
Benon Sevan, the administrator who was in charge of overseeing the United Nation’s oil-for-food programme for Iraq, was indicted on Tuesday on federal charges of bribery and conspiracy to commit wire fraud, as part of a growing attempt by prosecutors to hold UN employees accountable to US laws.
The charges against Mr Sevan, a Cypriot, and Fred Nadler, a US businessman who allegedly funnelled $160,000 in illegal commissions to Mr Sevan, bring to 14 the number of people and companies charged in connection with the oil-for-food scandal, FBI officials said.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/20e92fce-a598-11db-

a4e0-0000779e2340.html
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By kevin on 1/16/2007 4:08 PM
money leaves us stock market

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/funds/2007-01-16-funds-usat_x.htm
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By ranger on 1/16/2007 4:57 PM
Still clinging to the ideal that everybody has to play by the same rules is wrong. Learn the pattern and trade with them not against them or you will not have a retirement fund left. The few are going to take all the money from the many for years to come and they will never have enough. I was a policeman for a long time and the facts are the wealty do not get the same treatment as the poor. They will not lose and will continue to rape the majority of the baby boomers retirement money.
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By Beware on 1/16/2007 5:18 PM
I have followed a fidelity foreign fund fnmix for the past 9 months. It has not gained a penny. It seems to be basically busy going nowhere.
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By More on the daily manipulaion of a stock on 1/16/2007 7:42 PM
Friends,

The trade day is over and this genius has been able to predict the market outcome in Jag Media once again. I mean, for a week straight I have predicted which market maker would control the stock that particular day, how the stock would trade, and explain all about this mysterious block print that culminates the trading day. The Block trade being 50,000 shares after hours today at $0.3215

Now as I explained in my pre-market rant, today's Market Maker would be VERT. I even predicted their move to an Offer of $0.335 just prior to market open and guess what --- they complied.

C VERTp 0.30 0.335 5000 9:26:29

But after VERT, who had represented an Offer of $0.51 since 1/10/07, came from $0.51 to $0.35 to $0.34 and finally at $0.335 in the 30 minutes leading into the open, VERT immediately pulled back to $0.355 on 5000 shares to open the trade day [9:30:52]. The significance of $0.355, not only was it not one of their previously posted Offers, it was exactly $0.005 below the previous close so that if any orders lifted the Offer it would still be a stock trading in the red today.

The rest of the day remained pretty much the same with slow volume the Bids stabilized at $0.33 for much of the day and the offer stabilized at $0.34. Every now and then an Offer would be lifted and the bids (several market makers) would all leave at the same time to lower the $0.33 to $0.32 causing the Offer to chase it down but the day was primarily locked at $0.33 X $0.34 until 3:30.

Now here again comes the confusion.

1. The stock opened with 5000 shares into the offer.
2. No trading takes place until 11:17 where 27,000 shares trade over 2 minutes and 7 reported transactions. All between $0.34 and $0.33
3. A lull until 11:55 3 more transactions take place at $0.33 totaling 10,000 shares
4. One more transaction takes place an hour later; 5000 shares lift the $0.34 Offer.
5. With the stock sitting idle for 1:15 minutes (2:15) at $0.33 X $0.34 another 25,000 shares are executed into the bid over 4 transactions.
6. And after an hour of nothing happening the Bid is raided once more [3:20] and the Bid is driven to $0.32 with the Offer chasing it down stopping at $0.325. 27,000 shares are executed over 7 transactions.

So the question becomes, if a seller wants out, why wait until 3:20 and raid the Bid on high volume moving it from $0.33 to $0.325 to $0.32 in minutes? Why not sell slowly into the Bid if that was your desire when it sat idle all day? Why raid it.

And then the mysterious cross.

At the close the market had collapsed to $0.32 X $0.325 with VERT holding the $0.325 as a ceiling. Where in most other days the cross would close the stock lower, today the cross was done after hours because the cross was above the last trade at $0.32. Cross taking place at $0.3215. That cross accounted for 44% of the days total trade volume.

At the close VERT moved away and the next best offer was displayed at $0.34. VERT was simply insuring no order came in at the close to move it to $0.34.

The data I was able to capture is attached.

Dave Patch
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By piddly_sum on 1/16/2007 7:57 PM
Why do we need a market makers and specialists in the first place? If somebody chooses to "make a market" in a particular issue, why should they have preferential treatment over other participants? With the technology of today, why not just have a normal auction market where buys and sells are matched without somebody in the middle who adds a layer of inefficiency and the potential for having a bias as to the future direction of an issue?
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By canada on 1/16/2007 8:30 PM
The Canadian market is first in, first traded. You see full market depth and it is totally fair as it is computerized. No market maker parasites.

We should license the software, fire the market makers and we will all make about another 5% return per year by not paying the market maker tax.

My observation is market makers only sell and never buy. How would that help liquidity? That only takes money out of the system.
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By aldigit01 on 1/16/2007 9:58 PM
Patchie,

The reality of short squeezes is that they only happen when the short sellers are subject to the same margin pressures which longs feel on the way down. Since the primer brokers would realize the impact of a short squeeze on their own wallets in one of these hyper-naked shorted stocks, a short squeeze will never happen.
IMO.
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By teacheric on 1/17/2007 12:57 AM
I think the only short squeezes that happen are the ones that shorty wants to happen after he has switched sides. On another note, as long as the SEC is willing to make or change any rules and be allowed to do so without any agency stopping them, we will not get out of this mess. It is all too obvious that they have been corrupted. If I hear any senators "commend" the SEC for all of their hard work one more time, I'm going to puke. It's time for Grassley or Hatch or somebody who cares enough to step in and say, "Enough is enough!! The SEC is no longer in control. As of today, you are all out of a job. But don't worry; i'm sure you'll find a job somewhere out on Wallstreet working with your buddies. But don't leave the country. We'll be in touch."
Tax Breaks for the Criminals By bryedge on 1/17/2007 4:12 AM
So now Grassley and Baucus are putting together a bill that would prevent companies from deducting fines from their income tax responsibilities.

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20070116%5cACQDJON200701161521DOWJONESDJONLINE000652.htm&

So I guess this means that all those piddly sums that the prime brokers paid in bribes, er..I mean fines. were deductible from their taxes.

Wouldn't that mean for all these years, that the taxpayer has actually been footing the bill for that TOO?

Fxxking criminals!!!
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By bbhindyou on 1/17/2007 5:41 AM
bryedge...I don't think, if you are convicted of a crime in any way and made to pay a fine as a individual ,you are allowed to deduct your fine from your taxes owed.
Just another case of what is wrong for a individual to do being O.K. to do if you are a group of rich guys.
OF COURSE THE TAXPAYER PAID THOSE FINES.
WHAT! DO YOU THINK ANYONE ELSE EVER HAS TO PAY FOR THEIR INDESCRETION BESIDES THE LITTLE GUY!
IT"S HOW THE RICH ARE KEPT RICH AND THE POOR ARE KEPT SILENT.
NOW KEEP QUIET UNLESS YOU ARE RICH.
What a country!
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By troydian on 1/17/2007 7:29 AM
http://www.crashmaker.com/
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By troydian on 1/17/2007 7:32 AM
http://web.archive.org/web/20030617160138/www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/rothschild.htm
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By davidn on 1/17/2007 9:41 AM
The family owns a hedge fund!!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=adBL2vZxJzb4&refer=home

Joe Biden, 64, is chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. The judiciary committee in the past year has held hearings on SEC oversight of hedge funds and so-called naked short-selling, or the practice by some hedge-fund managers of selling shares in companies they don't own.
Re: Garbage In, Garbage Out - The Latest Crying Towel From Wall Street By davidn on 1/17/2007 9:42 AM
Naked shorting in India

http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php?autono=271709&leftnm=0&subLeft=0&chkFlg=

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