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Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications

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Posted by:   bobo 11/27/2006 8:42 PM

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We were chatting, the two of us, covering a lot of ground, discussing the actual size of the delivery failure crisis, the grand design of how it got that way, what it might cost to fix it, whether it was even fixable, why the NY press has a moratorium on discussing things like the bombshell numbers showing $60+ billion in FTDs and FTRs for just Q2, 2006 in just the NYSE numbers...

And one of the most puzzling things for my friend was why this could progress to the level it has, with every check and balance failing investors. Essentially, a system in crisis, where the nation's middle class stands to lose much of their buying power and worth, and yet our guardians acting as though nothing is wrong, even as they contort to avoid the rhino behind the couch.

I'm a cynic, so my take is that it has been a deliberate co-opting, taking place over the last 3 decades or so, the young sociopath turks of the 80s, now in their 40s and 50s, running the machine and assisting from high places, emboldened by their success over the last 20 years or so, convinced that crime pays magnificently, and that only a rube or a hick would consider observing rules and laws.

The 20-something year old scumbag cheat has become the top guy at the broker or fund or in public office/at our regulator, and the #1 lesson he/she took away from it all is that as long as he/she, the new royalty, wins, everyone else can lose - and that there is no actual penalty for getting caught, as you get an underling to fall on his sword, while you go on paying the toll to have another bright tomorrow.

My friend felt that was a big part of it, but that another piece was that the system is a kluge, and that kluges tend to introduce inefficiencies, and the miscreants will always test the inefficiencies for maximum effect. What we are seeing is simply an oversupply of creative miscreants, with most of our Roosevelt-era safeguards gone the way of the buggy whip.

The model he/she used to describe it is a whole system of cable TV cheats, all of whom have tapped into the real cable line, to bootleg the signal. Problem is that there are now virtually no paying subscribers - everyone cheats in the system.

It was a fascinating discussion, the kind that reminds me how nice it is to be around very, very smart people whose intellects fire at light speed.

The depressing part of the discussion was the fear that it will be virtually impossible to get the average person interested until AFTER they have lost a big chunk, if not all, of their money. Human nature is that we don't tend to care until we personally have taken a hit from the thieves - then suddenly it becomes important to stop the thievery. Not in all cases, but in most.

Never bet against human nature.

Here are a few other random snippets:

It was observed that the delivery failures skyrocketed right as Reg SHO went into effect - obviously the industry taking one more large bite of the apple in order to benefit from the oh-so-helpful grandfathering passed by our conscientious regulators. It was also interesting to note that of the 20 years of history on that spreadsheet, how the problem mushroomed over the last few years.

We talked about the contortions that the NY press has been demonstrating in avoiding this issue as one of the primary drivers away from the US markets and indeed the dollar. It's as though if the WSJ and Barron's and the NY Times refuse to acknowledge a large theft of money from the system, year after year, creating a massive contingent liability for every strata of the industry, that everyone else will just figure there is no problem. It is a contemptuous view of the rest of the world, and one which is clearly in error.

I opined that the system was marvelous at lying to people and telling them comforting things, rather than the truth. Just as Casinos feature billboards of the Korean bus boy who just won a million but speaks all of 4 words of English, the financial system spins the lure of easy money and secure retirements - but you have to be in the game to win. Earnest, white-haired father figures assure us that our system's participants are as stable and ethical as Intel designing and manufacturing their next semiconductor, or skilled engineers building a bridge. Nobody would dare admit that there are maybe 300 guys in back offices on Wall Street intently stealing as much as they can get away with, calculating that as long as the gravy train lasts it is worth the risk. That doesn't get new money into the system, or engender trust.

My friend pointed out that even the winners are getting screwed - their winnings would have been bigger except for the miscreants. Fair point. Everyone loses except for the system, even if you are one of the rare winners.

I articulated that my personality is such that I would rather know what is true and real, versus what is comfortable. Call it a personality disorder - an intent reverence for the rational and logical. It is comfortable to believe that your nation is the best and the most honest on the planet, that bad things rarely happen here, and that if they do they are isolated events. It is comfortable that the watchdog will nab the evildoers, punishing them with a vengeance. It is comforting to believe that one can lead a rich retirement by putting one's cash into the market, into well researched companies in understood sectors, and that the regulators will stop miscreants from outright stealing your money.

All of those notions are comforting, even if provably untrue. Unfortunately, the majority would rather have comfortable beliefs versus understanding reality as it actually is. Reality is oftentimes disturbing and depressing. Reality bites. I don't blame them a bit - I wish I wasn't burdened with my "affliction."

But the problem I have with comfortable thoughts versus reality is in their ability to predict accurately. I predicted a number of things would happen when I first corresponded with Patrick, based upon my observation of how the miscreants targeting Overstock had historically played their hand. Sure enough, all happened. Now, some might say I am a conspiracy theorist, and that well may be, but when the theory accurately predicts future events it is useful. When the comforting belief that the SEC will put a stop to overt stock manipulation is tried on for size, it fails to accurately predict what will occur - thus, the comforting conceit fails to be an accurate predictive instrument, and must be discarded as useless.

I tend to favor logic over happy thoughts, and as of this moment, the notion that we have any regulation of Wall Street by anyone at all is only a happy thought - and an easily debunkable one at that.

We talked about the actual size of the money that has been pulled out of the system, and about mechanisms that could be designed to accurately gauge it.

One suggestion was to take the selling price of every SHO stock, and then chart the price when the fails built, and then compare it to the current price, and that would give one an idea of the scale of the crisis in terms of real dollars at time of failure since departed the system. In OSTK, it might be an average of $50 or so. In NFI, it is likely $40 or so. For many, like TASR, or KKD, or many of the others, it might be $50 and they are now $7. For many OTCBB stocks that were once $20, and now trade at 50 cents or less, the current mark to market is likely 20-50 times lower than the actual average price at which the majority of fails were executed. We sort of agreed that it was likely 10 times greater, at least, than current mark to market, and quite possibly 15 or 20 times greater. Numbers like half a trillion a year were not discarded as implausible.

The important thing to recognize in this is that money is now gone. It went out of the system, bye bye, and was pulled out to buy mansions, and Gulfstreams, and Picassos, and hockey rinks and the like. It is not available to be returned, any more than the money confiscated by criminals in the S&L crisis is available for disgorgement. It is out, distributed to a small number of crooks, taken from a broad base of cheated investors. Classic redistribution of wealth - a few get most of the cash, through illegal and unethical behavior, and it is too late to stop it.

Horses bolt, barn doors will be shut long after the gesture is meaningless. Way it is. Always has been.

Having studied history, this is no different than in other eras. In the 1910s and 20s, huge, empire-level fortunes were built from running stock pools. The Kennedy fortune was built by Joe running pools. Most of the venerated names on Wall Street, and indeed in Corporate America, won big as the country lost its shirt. Just as a few built dynasties during the industrial revolution, and during the union-busting era, etc. The story of a few powerful groups consolidating massive wealth generated by the masses is not rare or unique - it is almost mundane. That is how things are done, and have been for centuries. The market we currently have is merely one of the venues for redistribution. It is by no means the only one.

But the one constant is that the money is NEVER given back by those who stole it. NEVER. Instead, they traditionally buy the best government they can afford, the most convincing police/regulators, and 99.999% of the money stays gone once it is redistributed. Same as it was in the S&L crisis, same as it was in the 1920s, same as it was every other time.

Now, that is depressing. But it is also true, and I favor reality over comfort.

The big lie this time around is that the markets are regulated, and that it can't happen again, exactly as it has happened in the past. Readers of this blog know that is fanciful at best. It is happening as we speak, in very obvious ways.

Note that not one paper or journalist has picked up the story that a spreadsheet from the SIA shows the level of the problem to be at least, AT LEAST, ten times worse than anyone has dared admit.

We discussed why that is, how it could happen in a country that trumpets its marvelous freedom of speech and of the press. I pointed out that the NY financial press was largely owned by or beholden to Wall Street, just as the government was populated by Wall Street alumni. Why would anyone expect that bought-and-paid-for structure to break the biggest indictment of the financial system's disastrous course in our lifetime - the greatest theft of wealth in our nation's history? Who's kidding who?

Is it really that difficult to imagine that just as most of the ruling guys on Wall Street today were educated in the same schools, eat at the same restaurants, know the same people, send their kids to the same schools, that most of the financial journalists and editors share common pasts, know the same people, play poker with the same guys? It doesn't take a cast of thousands - maybe two dozen. That would handily control the major NY pubs, and the message that one doesn't cover this sort of story except to ridicule can be propagated from on high. Never mind that Wall Street outright owns big chunks of the pubs and media machine - all it really requires is human nature to act as it has since we started walking on our hind legs.

As with the S&Ls, most of the employees of the culpable institutions are likely innocent of wrongdoing, both at the media outlets, as with the brokers. It really only takes a few at each organization, and a few chosen insiders willing to lie and protect their ill-gotten but lucrative gains.

It isn't comforting to believe that we are being fed a scripted reality that favors the redistribution of our wealth, and lies to us and covers-up any evidence that there is a crisis occurring as we speak. I get that. Sort of ruins one's day.

$60+ billion documented FTDs and FTRs, and the press is silent. That should tell you everything you need to know. Whitewash. Cover-up. Words used when important facts surface and are kept from the public, to benefit a select few. Washington Post? Not a peep. Even that icon of journalistic bravery silent - the paper that broke Watergate, unable or unwilling to read a spreadsheet and discuss its implications. Very, very sad. The lowest moment in our journalistic history. And that requires some real effort.

As to our regulators, want to bet that the SEC meeting next week doesn't discuss this massive theft of wealth by the system's royalty? Just flat out pretends it isn't available for one and all to review? That the SEC and the Senate Banking Committee and the Judiciary all just ignore the new, hard evidence of a national emergency in our financial markets?

Why would a regulator pretend that the clear, unimpeachable evidence of a massive crisis just doesn't exist? Why is that? Why would those chartered with our protection work so hard not to see the bullet-riddled corpse right on the steps of their edifice? Why would a number so big now as to demand an immediate special prosecutor instead get met with the sort of silence a suspected-pedophile uncle receives at Christmas dinner?

Because they believe that we are stupid, malleable, lazy, uninformed sheep too apathetic to care that a few are stealing the retirement savings of the many.

That is a good bet. Has always been a good bet. For centuries, if you controlled the money, the banks, you controlled the country.

We discussed the history of civilization, where since the birth of agrarian societies wealth has been redistributed from those who labored to produce it to those who stored and counted it. It is a classic de-coupling of the fruits of those who produce value, and those who accumulate it while creating an industry to better allocate and count it. Again, that is nothing new.

Even the concept of money is not particularly new - the fractional reserve system that the brokers are attempting to create out of an auction market where THEY DON'T OWN THE ASSETS is nothing more than how banks first came into being. Rather than carry two tons of gold on horseback via dangerous roads, one could carry a paper note good for two tons of gold on deposit at the destination. Simple concept.

The difference is that in a stock market, the investors own the assets, not the brokers. The brokers merely facilitate the exchange of cash for assets.

At least that is how the 1933 and 1934 Acts spell it out. Today, by owning the clearing and settling mechanism, the brokers and bankers have managed to create a fractional reserve system for stock - stock they don't own and for which they have no right to fractionalize. They have created, through artifice, a trap system wherein they can behave as though they own the stock, and can issue the equivalent of the paper notes that were backed by gold deposits...only there are no stocks owned by the brokers to back them. And with the abolition of paper certificates as proof of ownership, there is no mechanism for the tired merchant arriving on horseback to verify that his gold is in the vault.

The only thing that backs these electric IOUs are the promises of the brokers, and your faith in their ability to make good on their promise. That ability is largely illusory.

Most people don't realize that they don't own stock anymore, they own a security entitlement that entitles them to a share of stock, presumably that is on deposit at the DTC. That the stock they paid their real money is held, "In Street Name" by Cede & Co as the registered owner. In other words, the industry has come up with a way to get you to pay for something they then use as their own asset, exactly as though they had bought and paid for it, and they merely transfer a contractual right to the share's rights to you, as the beneficial owner. But if the share doesn't exist, or too few do to match all the beneficial owners, then what did you pay for? A lie. An unregistered security.

Most people don't realize that many stocks have considerably more entitlements than stock in circulation. That's why 100% of the recent corporate voting sampling discussed in Bloomberg had overvoting. Because there are more entitlements than assets.

And that is the fractional part that is illegal. UCC8 specifically mandates that security entitlements must have underlying stock, on a one for one basis, for each entitlement. My previous blog discusses how the current scheme actually creates unregistered securities, essentially a new class based on the broker's promise to execute at some unknown time in the future - not the security the company issued. That was discussed, and we shook our heads at how an entire nation could be so easily suckered by a few shifty scumbags.

$60+ billion just from the NYSE participants reporting to the SIA. Not counting the NASDAQ, or the OTCBB, or the pink sheets, or any of the massive international clearing entities. And then consider that $60+ billion is after pre-netting at the broker level, but before CNS netting. So pre-netting has likely hidden another $50 billion, just as CNS netting hides around 96% - the now infamous $6 billion DTCC/SEC number is post-CNS netting, which is how $63 billion becomes $6 billion after CNS. It is not unlikely that the pre pre-netting number is actually $100+ billion for these NYSE reporting entities, and that the total including the NASDAQ and others is well over $250 billion - at today's mark to market. Multiply that by 10 or more if you want an idea of how much the actual sale price was of the securities that the industry REFUSES to deliver to those that paid those trillions in real dollars.

But the $60 billion number, with conservative real sale price multiplier of 10 is bad enough. To put that theft of real, hard-earned dollars into perspective, consider the $600 billion number that today's $60+ billion of mark to market value likely represents in terms of original sale price. What is the total annual operating budget of the SEC? The DOJ? The entire Eastern Seaboard? North Korea, Portugal, Spain, etc.?

Here's a hint: The miscreants have stolen more than 10% of the world's annual GNP via the US market system so far over just the last 5 or so years. That's what the conservative extrapolation of the numbers tells us.

Where does everyone honestly believe the trillions in hedge fund dollars actually comes from? Where are the trillions in narco-commerce and black market dollars circulated through? How do governments fund their black ops, and support regimes for which public support is waning or non-existent? You think they are doing it passing hundreds at Target? Please. They require "liquidity" to do so. All of it. They require a secondary banking system that uses the market as its transfer mechanism.

This is actually so simple to see once you understand the outline.

But I digress.

There were no easy solutions that came out of the discussion. A few were tossed around, and I think we agreed on several having the capability of stopping the current looting, for a time.

But I guess the overarching theme was the importance of knowing and understanding reality as it actually is, rather than seeking refuge in popular delusions and the madness of crowds.

And delusions masked as comforting thoughts is what Wall Street peddles, as surely as a crack salesman peddles momentary relief from the vagaries of this mortal coil, but at a disastrous price.

Hard to tell which will be more destructive to our society in the end - Wall Street or dope peddlers.

And that is the saddest thing I can say about it.

But it was a good discussion.

Copyright ©2006 Bob O'Brien
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Comments (48)
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By netting on 11/28/2006 8:33 AM
The kludge is a good explanation. The DTCC has described it that way, wishing everyone could deal with them directly.

The reason is the system was designed to have competition - competing custodians, clearing brokerages, depositories, market makers, etc., but the nature of capitalism is that eventually the top dog wins and unregulated, there is a tendency to monopoly.

There is a daisy chain of extension cords / intermediaries carrying the signal.

And a dozen prime brokerages collude to maximize profit by netting their obligations so they can fail to deliver to each other, keeping customer cash.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By danny on 11/28/2006 8:49 AM
I think I have the same personality disorder, but chasing truth requires you to become a tin hat conspiracy theorist, because the only hypothesis that makes sense is that there are various networks of people that loosely interact with one another and they've gained control of our government.

I think Danny Cassalaro, the tabloid writer doing a story on the Octopus, which linked Iran Contra, Money Laundering, Wallstreet, arms and drugs may have been the closest to the truth before he suddenly committed "suicide" after telling his brother someone was trying to kill him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Casolaro

Also Google as Wiki tends to be full of BS.

Luckily, he had sent his brother his unfinished manuscript and it has been printed into a book.

He didn't envision it as a single network with a single miscreant at the top, but more like various groups of self interested people, each with their own head honcho.

If I were to turn on the propeller at the top of my tin hat, I'd suggest that if there were grand puppet masters pulling the strings above these networks, they would be the people who first discovered fractional reserve banking and its ability to subvert democracies, kingdoms and dictatorships alike.

Fractional reserve brokerages aren't a big leap for them. It's a new take on an old technique that has worked well for them for centuries.

Reminder: every president that has tried to have the government directly issue money rather than tax the people to buy money the banks print out of thin air has been assassinated. (Lincoln greenbacks, Kennedy silver notes).
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By Fedup-with-the-crooked-markets on 11/28/2006 7:34 PM
BoBo, what do you make of this crap? http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061128/bs_nm/financial_nyse_dc_4
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By post on 11/28/2006 8:32 PM
there must be a good reason to remove post. odd.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By oldfeller on 11/28/2006 8:41 PM
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." — Henry Ford
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By ginger on 11/28/2006 10:57 PM
That's quite an enlightening documentary Oldfeller... just finished watching the full DVD. Here's the trailer...

http://www.freedomtofascism.com/

Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By oldfeller on 11/29/2006 12:32 AM
Well I just saw the quote in a wikipedia article so I can`t take credit for the trailer you found. But onward and upward as a group we go. This all comes down to philosophy eventually. Telling a group of people who come from a "family" who has controlled certain things for generations that they have stepped over some invisible line is sort of tricky. But I think they know where we are coming from and realize it is in their best interest to listen to us and adjust to our concerns. They will never go away unless they are replaced by someone just like them or worse. Our job is to be the wheel that squeeks loudly.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By oldfeller on 11/29/2006 12:52 AM
Of course i am an oldfeller. if i was a youngfeller i might look at things much differently. Might not feel like sqeeking. Might feel like roaring.
Sample letter to legislators. By mhelburn on 11/29/2006 5:57 AM
Please correct this is you see errors. Thanks.

The SEC has allowed rules to be put in place that violate the Securities and Exchange Act. Dec. 5, the Judiciary Committee is meeting to look at Hedge Funds.

There are multiple loopholes that allow participants to counterfeit shares. Delay in delivery is nothing more than counterfeiting. Every transaction where a person is sold a stock is supposed to be backed up with a share of stock. It is a one for one law. Nowhere does the Securities Act say that someone can be sold a futures contract in lieu of a share.

Legitimate shorting requires the borrowing of shares. I am talking about illegal shorting and the "rules" that make this possible.

1. Broker or a broker's client sells stock they haven't borrowed and have no intention of delivering. These are disguised as long sales simply by marking the sale as long. This is illegal, but a common practice. The euphemism for this fraud is "mismarking blue sheets".

2. Market makers have been given exemptions to naked short stocks for "liquidity". This does not benefit the ordinary investor. This violates the Act. When a person buys a share, they know how much liquidity the share possesses. Market makers cap the price of stock, but don't support the price because that uses capital, while shorting puts capital in their accounts from the fraudulent shares. It does not benefit the market maker to have the price of a share go up unless he is long. Being long uses capital.

3. Options Market makers are allowed to "hedge" their options positions by naked shorting stocks. This also violates the Act. A client buys a put option on a stock and the options market maker takes the other side of the trade, being short a put which he is allowed to hedge by naked shorting the stock. That removes the risk of the trade for the options maker and he makes a risk-free trade. The options maker sells the naked shares to the client, who in turn, dumps the shares into the market, driving the price down. As the price of the stock goes down with the extra sell-side pressure from the newly created shares, the put options become valuable. Stocks are being used to profit from options trading. Nowhere does it say that a short position can be backed by an option. If an options maker covers his short position with a call option, a conversion, he has created a counterfeit share. There is no share to back up the sale of stock. It hasn't been borrowed from an owner.

4. Repo contracts. A participant can sell a stock with the inclusion of a repurchase agreement and is allowed to claim that as a long position. Again, this is a futures contract being substituted as shares in accounting.

You can understand why these rules were put in place. They benefit a select group of participants while harming the market, the companies whose stock is in the market, and other investors.

Stock lending is a huge business. Brokers are able to convert investors' purchases to cash for the broker's benefit. If a person is in margin, the broker is allowed to lend up to 140% of the debt from the person's portfolio. They are not allowed to lend from a cash account or a retirement account. With the Continuous Netting System, CNS, and repurchase agreements in place, a broker can appear to have more shares than exist. If you have 100 shares in your IRA, the broker reports holding 100 shares. With a repo agreement, the broker can sell 100 shares and appear to have 200 shares. He can then lend out the real shares from the IRA without the owner's knowledge and the broker still appears to be long 100 shares, when he is actually has 0 shares. He collects the interest on the stock loan. The short puts up 102% of the value of the stock on which he may or may not have to pay a borrow fee. These fees can range from 0% for easy-to-borrow stocks to 52% for extremely hard-to-borrow stocks. This cost is figured daily on the closing price of the stock. The broker also collects the interest on the collateral held at overnight fed fund rates.

With the exemptions and rules that contravene the Act, brokers are converting our hard-earned assets to their benefit while jeopardizing the stability of our markets.

How are the brokers able to protect themselves and stay liquid? If you move your IRA to another brokerage, the current broker has no shares to deliver and a DTC transfer will fail. The broker then has another loophole called an ACAT transfer. He sends the order through ACAT and is able to borrow shares held at the Stock Borrow Program. This allows the current broker 60 days to clean up his books. He can call back the shares that he was lending and repay the Stock Borrow Program and he still looks like he is long the stock with his repo agreement. It looks like he has 100 shares when in fact, he has 0 shares. During the period that he "held" your shares, he had no shares, just the collateral put up by the short on your shares from which he was collecting interest.

If you look at the size of the fails to deliver plus the size of the fails to receive and the size of the repo agreements, you will have an idea of the size of fraud that is going on. The SEC is trying to hide this. Senator Grassley has asked the GAO to look at the SEC.

The Senate Banking Committee while controlled by Senator Shelby was a joke. I'm glad the Senate Judiciary Committee stepped up. There are Senators who are fluent in this. Talk to Bennett, Specter, Hatch and Grassley. We are looking at a problem larger than the S&L meltdown. We are looking at another crash and created the same way with stock pools (hedge funds) and bear raids... but the difference is that the public has been duped into thinking that the SEC looking after the investors' interest. Even the SIPC insurance is just window dressing. There isn't enough money available to make people whole if a few brokerages collapse.

How is the investor supposed to protect himself? Order certificates? 2008 the plan is to go to paperless transactions. We have one year to clean this mess up. Straight through processing and what about all of the fails and repos that are in the system? These illicit profits have been removed from the system. The companies that have been driven out of the capital markets with multiples of their issued shares shorted are lingering in the OTC market. There isn't enough capital to cover all the illicit profits that have been stolen and make investors whole. Will the Government have to do another S&L Bailout for Wall Street and put our children more in hock?
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By bbhindyou on 11/29/2006 6:19 AM
Mhelburn I think you get it!
Where is the money going to come from to straighten this mess out ?
Will the robbers have to disgorge the money they stole?
Or will the very people who were just robbed by wall street now be made to pay back what was robbed from them?
Thats just like a gang rape wall street went first then its the goverments turn.
It might get messy but thats how it is when you aren't first in line.
We are getting screwed hard here in the american market as a small investor.
Wall street is at us now the government is lined up next , I don't think the line ends there though I think the party has just begun for big money.
Will america survive?
I don't know , but it will never be the same .
A rape victim never is.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By d.p. on 11/29/2006 7:21 AM
Fines? Arrests?

The penalty for treason is death.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By bbhindyou on 11/29/2006 7:47 AM
d.p.
Treason.
It's more than that.
Tthe process we are going thruogh here now is the breaking down phase .
The next phase will be the taking what they want phase , and we will be happy to give them anything they want in exchange for survival.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By gregcable2002 on 11/29/2006 8:02 AM
Once they steal everything we have they'll turn around and tell us what to do,whether we like it or not,it'll be for our own protection of course,you know how stupid we americans are.Gloom and doom?Reality sucks sometimes!
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By davidn on 11/29/2006 9:08 AM
Mary, you've got it!

It is important that we frame this as a problem with "phantom shares" or "vapor shares" or "counterfeiting" as naked shorting is only one way this problem happens and most of us aren't against shorting. (I've entered into legitimate shorts and when I've been wrong, I've helped the longs by buying in. Legitimate shorting takes short term irrational exuberence and creates pent up future buying. This is NOT a short problem.)

Custodians can create vapor shares without any matching transactions via the netting. Phantom shares don't even need a trade to pop into existence. They can show up through expiry of a repo, for example or a change in an introducing brokerages' net position.

I still think the other shoe, that hasn't dropped yet, is the involvement of Clearstream, Euroclear and the Canadian Depository for Securities. They aren't included in the repo and fail data we've seen so far. It makes sense that the biggest problem would be swept out of the country and away from domestic regulators.

I'm trying to read up on the Clearstream affair - money laundering, secret accounts, etc. It looks like it is as ugly as it gets.

I bet the bulk of the problem is hidden there.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By davidn on 11/29/2006 9:32 AM
...not to be confused with the first Clearstream scandal.

These are the guys that own the German stock exchanges that listed companies without their permission when the NASD tried to crack down on naked shorting.

http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=502&language_id=1

Bin Laden?

http://www.chrisfmasse.com/2/2006/2006-05-12_clearstream_france_politics.html

Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By davidn on 11/29/2006 9:39 AM
I forgot to include CREST which clears in the UK.

We need to get together with activists on the other side of the Atlantic. It is one of those situations where you really need to zoom out to see the big picture. If you look at little pieces, one at a time, nothing makes sense, but if you zoom out it comes into focus.

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"As I've said before, I've tried and I still really can't understand why the DTCC consistently adopts such an evasive and bellicose tone in its public communications ... From the PR point of view, it's a disaster, it seems to me. And the changing of the guard doesn't seem to have changed much in that respect.

It's hard not to think of the allegations made in the Clearstream scandal (Part I, that is, not the stranger-than-fiction political sequel), in which a similar plea of ignorance was disproved by a journalist and an insider triangulating information on specific illegal transactions from two data sources -- much as NSA data mining no doubt does when it correlates multiple data sources to infer identifying information that it officially cannot obtain ..."
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By human being wanted on 11/29/2006 9:45 AM
This is old, but still funny.

http://blogalization.nu/marketmachines/2006/01/02/human-being-wanted/
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By hbw on 11/29/2006 10:16 AM
I don't know what to make of this blog - he's waiting for Gary Weiss's new book, but his articles seem anti Wallstreet.

The last post on the DTCC PR job posting is good. So are these links on how the specialists game the system.

http://blogalization.nu/marketmachines/2006/06/22/while-we-were-out/#more-2512
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By Selene on 11/29/2006 1:30 PM
This is way off topic:

I have this family friend. Well it's actually my fathers friends kid, but whatever you get the point. Anyway, this friend has a stuttering problem, but it goes further than that, not only does he stutter when he speaks, he also stutters when he types. Weird. duh.

So one day I get this random email from something like todd@yahoo.com (enter your own generic name) and in the e-mail it goes into how beautiful I am and who I remind the writer of and so on. Well, you guessed it, the email is written in all stutters. I mean who else stutters when they type? So of course I know who it's from, but when I confront him he completely denies it. To top that, later that night I get another similar e-mail from another generic address that too is all stutters.

Long story short, this Gary Weiss stuff kind of reminds me of that family friend. It's kinda of cracking me up. Maybe instead of lilGW he should be referred to as Stuttering Gary. LOL
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By Selene on 11/29/2006 1:33 PM
I should have said, maybe he should be referred to as stuttering gary@yahoo.com

Ahhh, it's too funny.

Selene
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By nya nya, goodbye on 11/29/2006 9:25 PM
He may be a stuttering, but it is interesting to know who his friends are. His myriad posts and friendly links help paint the picture of a network of corruption that he will eventually be arrested for. He's obviously on the take. What is less obvious is who pays his way.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By Democrats Worse? on 11/30/2006 4:00 AM
Looks like the Democrats are already planning on doing NOTHING! No Suprise.

By Siobhan Hughes, Dow Jones Newswires
Senate to Conclude SEC-Pequot Probe by February 2007


The release of the Senate report will come as Republicans relinquish control of Congress. The switch in leadership raises what some people see as the prospect of less Senate oversight of the hedge fund industry than in 2006. Over the past year, three different Senate committees have claimed jurisdiction over hedge funds, with the Senate Banking, Finance, and Judiciary Committees all asserting their authority in what some people portrayed as a turf war. Next week, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., plans to hold a hearing on enforcement of insider trading and hedge fund activity.

In 2007, when the Democrats are in charge, oversight may revert back to the Senate Banking Committee alone. Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., who will become chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, suggested to a reporter earlier this month that he didn't plan to look into hedge funds, noting that the industry was under the purview of the Senate Banking Committee.

"I would hope that all three committees, two committees that are very much involved, Judiciary and Finance, continue it," Grassley said. "The only caveat I'd put on what I've said is that hedge funds are known to be big contributors to the Democratic Party, and I hope that doesn't have an influence on their leadership not to do the traditional oversight that Congress ought to be doing, particularly since Democratic campaign leaders were chastising Republicans in Congress for not doing enough oversight."

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/061129/senate_sec_pequot_probe.html?.v=1
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By oldfeller on 11/30/2006 10:14 PM
Willy, agree that many posts are over the top end of the world type stuff. It could be the end but I think it is much more likely we are nearing the bottom of a cycle that repeats itself. That`s not to say it won`t get worse before it gets better. You have probably heard the old chinese curse: "may you live in interesting times". I think things are getting fairly interesting.
Agenda By De-programmer on 12/7/2006 10:29 AM
Creative destruction of America. What is the American money based on? The Federal Reserve (a private company) Wall Street owns the media and they pay the forces. America fights for freedom yet there is none at home. Our investments are used to buy the guns that kill our sons and daughters. Proove that it does not ,the links have been exposed. Terrorists move money the same way the naked shorts do. Freedom of press does not exist in mainstream media.

Banks counterfiet money just as the markets sell phoney shares. This is truth.

Oh there is more! This is chip in hand time. NWO? Sure looks like it.

Everything we thought we knew was a lie.

Check out Alex Jones, David Icke and watch Arron Russo's film Freedom to Fascism.
Spend some time in Google Video. DO IT NOW!
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By danny on 11/28/2006 9:35 AM
of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses... This little coterie...run our government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-created screen...seizes...our executive officers...legislative bodies...schools...
courts...newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.”
N.Y. Mayor, John Hylan

http://www.fdrs.org/in_our_country_the_federal_reserve_is_run_in_secret.html
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Read this Time magazine article from 1929

Since, however, the very Senators and Representatives who were most inclined to view Wall Street as the heart of the money octopus also regarded the Federal Reserve System as at least a tentacle of the same monster, the banker was scolded while the broker was flayed.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,880512-1,00.html
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By smuopr8r on 11/28/2006 9:15 AM
I'm replacing all of my "comfortable" thoughts about the SEC and the system with "hopeful" thoughts that, with persistent diligence, it will be fixed. I refuse to believe the American Dream and the system of Government established to protect it are powerless to correct this. It did in the 30's, and in the 80's, and must continue to be made to do so now.

I see myself as an archer, or artilleryman in this fight. I'm just articulate and learned enough to send easily comprehendable vollies at our government reps, but not powerful enough to meet the front-line head on in a courtroom, or on a discussion panel, or to drop tonage in a Forbes/BW//WSJ article, or appear in a CNBC sorte.

But, as are yourself and Patrick, I am a fighter for what is right, not what is comfortable, and will do whatever I can to promote the wave of discontent our lawmakers and judges will need to fire the megatonnage required to correct the system. Unfortunately, gettign the highest levels of our government to pull the trigger on the the nuclear munitions it'll take to correct the system appears to be the most difficult step in ensuring our protection, but motivate them to do so we must, whatever it takes, and it'll take a big pile of powder behind our rounds to get them to pay the level of attention necessary to correct the system. Good luck with the funding of the 501c3, and let me know what this one archer can do to help in the fight.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By netting on 11/28/2006 9:19 AM
Danny, that Time magazine article from 1929 is like deja vu. Even the Senator from Utah.

After the senators were through attacking Wallstreet, we were plunged into a great depression where Americans starved in the streets.

For more on Kennedy's silver notes, which would have eliminated the Federal Reserve through competition:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a1bfc482052.htm
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By bryedge on 11/28/2006 9:33 AM
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20061128%5cACQDJON200611281140DOWJONESDJONLINE000557.htm&
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By hwh on 11/28/2006 9:49 AM
Why no one will cover it...The bull (pump) is running strong. Keep the peeps buying and the perps selling. Like in the S & L circa 1985, just before all with an positive IQ that wasn't so trapped into their position to get out in time, the clock is ticking,ticking,ticking. calm the emarket, no panic prior to legislative demolition. As in the 80' and 30's the ones sittting on cash will be kings. The Like Kennedy, Livingstone,Robinson, and Morgan's of our time will need to get out before it falls. Notice the big names who have been sellers and the REAL power players who have bought are positioning into defensive plays, Eddie Lampbert-wall mart is an example. Soros is in other countries and short much US. The bigs are either getting out or digging in.

There is no doubt the legislation is coming. It will bring Long term interest rates to near zero which is great to refinance the federal debt, but each extension of revised SHO means another hot dog needs more time...hwh
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By gregcable2002 on 11/28/2006 9:50 AM
The big bank has a master plan for us,first it must break us,then it can enslave us,seems to be working so far.Why else would the government look the other way while we are getting robbed in broad daylight now? Masta banka has da masta plan.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By hwh on 11/28/2006 9:57 AM
After all: Don't we need some "old money" astute politically aligned & correct deep pockets to spur private enterprise after a crash; to pick up the best of the surviving companies & real estate and get the cycle going again.

Consolidation of power and (truly a function of government) as occurs appx once per decade: redistribution of wealth...
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By danny on 11/28/2006 9:59 AM
One way out is to devalue the dollar (which they are doing before our noses). You effectively take a pay cut and a loss on your investments as expressed in other currencies, but that loss actually stimulates the economy by making imports cheaper and exports more expensive.

This kind of theft is hard to detect because stock prices could actually rise as the dollar becomes less valuable and it takes more of them to express the value of the underlying asset.

They've opened up the printing presses, even choosing to hide the size of M3 as they start pumping the balloon, making each dollar less valuable.

My take is this is part of the orchestrated plan to bring in a new world order government. As a superpower, we would never adopt a global currency, but if they can open the southern borders to bring in workers with lower wage expectations, then crash the system and the massive devalation of the dollar is to blame and let's say a North American currency saves people from starving, we will adopt it in a heartbeat, becoming another united currency trading block.

The North and South American Amero alongside the Euro, Middle Eastern Dinar and Asian Yuan all controlled by private interests.

I think we need to pay attention to the growing use of foreign mercenaries and foreign private contractors working for Halliburton or Bechtel. I want our troops to be loyal to the constitution.

Patrick said in his interview that when he talks to European bankers, they say they feel something is in the air. I think it is an orchestrated crash.

If you are "in the know", then you will feel safe running up hundreds of billions in fails and repos, knowing that you will make money on the phantom shares when they reboot the system.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By danny on 11/28/2006 10:25 AM
"The U.S. economy is running out of steam but Europe's resurgence and Asia's awakening will prevent the world's economy from derailing as it did after the stock market crash of 2000, the OECD said in a report on Tuesday."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/28/AR2006112800163.html
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By danny on 11/28/2006 10:31 AM
Funny the foreign press reports that the dollar is going to crash, but the domestic press thinks it should be a big secret.

A crashed dollar let's them cover phantoms at less than they sold them for.

"Renewed fears that the Chinese central bank may be poised to start liquidating its $1-trillion stash of U.S. dollars briefly drove the greenback to a 20-month low against the euro and a two-year low against the British pound in trading yesterday."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20061128.RDOLLAR28/TPStory/Business
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By Scumbags in Boca on 11/28/2006 10:33 AM
These scumbags will get their due. Mark my words. Scumbag MM's in Boca will get eaten alive.

Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By tommytoyz on 11/28/2006 10:56 AM
I think the political wheels may still indeed turn to fix this problem. Just because the wheels turn slowly doesn't mean they don't turn at all. Once it is perceived as a crisis, political wheels can turn very quick.

Bobo, your description of the note system is faulty. The Bank notes were not necessarily for assets that the banks owned themselves, but rather held on deposit for others. Like the DTC today. So it's analogous to the brokers passing "securities entitlements" around that they don't own rather than the real asset.

I think in the end, like in the S&L and Long Term Capital cases, the Federal Government is going to have to get involved and perhaps pay from government resources.

In the end, no group of constituents is going to accept that well since the feds slept and the system collapsed that they all loose their shirt and the US equities and derivatives markets will just be allowed to collapse.

This would make the US a banana republic with everyone pulling out their assets from the US with all the consequences one can imagine.

The Politicians in Washington are not that dumb to let that happen, even if it costs the US treasury 500 billion bucks to fix. We spend that kind of money and more far more frivolous things like wars of choice........

Once the shit hits the fan, Washington will move into action. The securities markets are easy to understand, but not easy to get through the misinformation Wall Street has been throwing at politicians and everyone else's eye's for a long time now.

I'm not at all surprised that so many people are misinformed and don't even know it. Look how long it took us all here to figure things out. What does an elected politician stand to find the truth? Almost impossible unless they're really bright, look at the evidence and listen to the right people.

But the question for me is, how will the shit hit the fan? It could be a very slow process that goes on and on and the US just slowly slips and the problem is never really fixed or perhaps way down the road. Or will some event trigger the matter to suddenly being thrust into the mainstream? If so, what would this event be?

I think this will be settled out of the public mainstream, just like it began, perhaps in the courts by activist share holders. But there won't be a meltdown event that crashes the system. And it probably won' be mainstream media either. It's too complex for the average Joe Sixpack to even want to understand.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By InTheKnow on 11/28/2006 11:20 AM
My understanding from Wall Street insiders is that the naked short problem, and they know it is a problem, will be fixed over the next 1-2 years.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By anthony kalantzis on 11/28/2006 11:25 AM
intheknow ,,be fixed to benefit who?? the naked shorters ,by going elecronic .
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By cynabear on 11/28/2006 11:40 AM
Years ago when this fight was just begining i warned that this investigatiion would get very dirty and become global in scale....i I could be called cassandra but really i grew up with a father and grandfather who saw this same scenerio play out with the "bootlegger/pirates"- old wealthy men(usually) behind the curtains running things for their own agrandizment ( is that a word..i think so)...what they could not do was to get critical mass to believe them...so they opted out of the game...lost money....made money... became alcoholics....conspiracy theorists...friends left...wives left... what they didn't have was the internet, enough informed crusaders and the ability to impact the rules of the game...i think we can get this...their strategy was this...connect with the groups on the far right and the far left of the political spectrum...both ends already have groups that see that the rules of the game are criminal conspiracies...target specific people to get those people on board...they often have wealth and influence or one or the other and start the revolution with those people who already see that the game is rigged...they just don't have all the peices and their motivations may be different but they still see that the emperor is not wearing clothes...they might want the emporer to just admit he is naked, or wear a what would Jesus do tee shirt or a Che! tee shirt but they all still see the emperor is naked..... when the 501c3 gets up and runnig and a war chest is created we need to target specific groups that already know what is going on...they just might not have seen what is going on regardinng this particualr playing feild.... thoughts?? I am so behind this and yet it so feels like being a small Hobbit pushing through the feilds of Mordor...
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By mind games on 11/28/2006 11:49 AM
mind gamers are working overtime. funny.
squirmy is busy.

hunt them down and kill them one by one, slow and easy.
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By mid-2007 on 11/28/2006 12:05 PM
A single cop will police all brokerage firms in the United States starting in mid-2007 under a merger unveiled on Tuesday between overlapping regulators, saving Wall Street tens of millions of dollars a year.
The New York Stock Exchange Regulation unit will fold its brokerage firm oversight operations into NASD, the nation's largest brokerages watchdog, said the two self-regulatory organizations at a joint news conference here.


http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusiness.aspx?

type=ousiv&storyID=2006-11-28T192034Z_01_WEN0381_RTR

IDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-FINANCIAL-NYSE-

DC.XML&from=business
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By Willy Loman on 11/28/2006 12:25 PM
All this doom and gloom crapola is just more market manipulation, in my opinion. If Wall Street insiders think the problem can be "fixed" in 1-2 years then they are again trying to engineer a financial market meltdown and investor capitulation. That didn't occur post-2000, what makes them think they can spark it now?
Re: Conversations With A Friend Over The Delivery Failure Crisis & Ensuing Implications By kevin on 11/28/2006 12:58 PM
cynabear, I've started doing that and suggest others do the same. Contact alternative groups on the left and right that know something is wrong with this millenium, but don't have the pieces and send them links to this site and Patchie's. They in turn give us publicity.

The "fractional reserve brokerage" system is something that is easy to understand. You have claims on a fraction of a real share in your account rather than a real share. The reason is the custodians made money by counterfeiting claims.
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