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Printing Money The Wall Street Way

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Posted by:   bobo 11/2/2006 8:10 AM

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It's never been easier to print money on Wall Street.

Really.

We've come a long way from last year, where dolts like Jeff Mathews got on CNBC with a straight face and said. "I don't know how to naked short, and nobody I know does."

This from the ex-Rocker suck-up and quisling.

Let me explain how to get  your own hockey rink, or Gulfstream, or small island off the Amalfi coast.

First, forget everything you ever thought about buying low, and selling high, or about shorting, and covering lower than you sold.

That's for little girlie men.

Just naked short a bunch of stock, with the help of your good friend, the prime broker, or a compliant offshore clearing firm.

Here's what you do.

Sell 10 million shares of OSTK when it is in the $60 to $40 range.

What, you say? How can you do that when you don't have adequate collateral to cover all those shares? Not to worry, the cash the buyers come up with to buy your non-existent shares will serve as 100% collateralization. You might need to cover an additional 20% collateral for a brief time (like until the price has gone low enough for the 100% the buyers paid to serve as that 120%) - depending upon what you have worked out with your offshore banking buddies, who scorn Reg T and couldn't care less about it. 50%, 20%, 10% - the point is, you are playing with house money in a few months anyway, so you don't have to be price sensitive.

But, back up. You naked short like mad, creating panic, as the waves of selling just keep coming. A month goes by with relentless selling, and now the price is at $30. Your average short is at $40, the mark-to-market is at $30, so now you get the difference between that $30 and the $40, minus the overcollateralization piece. Call it $60 million.

The next few months your buddies get the price down to $20. Now we're talking. You now have $160 million, including the 20% OC piece on $20 mark-to-market. Again, 50%, 20%, mice nuts in the scheme of things - you want to put up 50% domestically when you can go to Malaysia and put up 5%, that's your business - I'm not going to tell you how to run it.

The point is, you just printed money.

Big money.

The funny part is that you have created nothing of value. You didn't build anything, or invent anything, or cure anything. You didn't labor for that cash. All you did was break some rules the SEC isn't interested in enforcing anyway, and printed cash for you to use as you like.

It's even easier and better with penny stocks, as you can take them in your pump phase to $20, and then crash them down to 10 cents. Do the math on that, times, say, 100 million shares.

The beauty is that your bankers, prime brokers, and indeed the whole system, understand that you can just keep printing shares to meet virtually any demand, and that your brokers and your cronies are all going to help out if the price ever shows any danger of rising.

The SEC will even help out, with a well-timed investigation, or an exemption for your broker buddies to act as market makers, thereby giving them carte blanche to print shares. And if all else fails, you can go to  your wise-guy buddies in Chicago, and do a deal for options, wherein you rent the options MM's exemption to naked short to your heart's content via the put hedging synthetic short gimmick.

So you see, the notion that you have to pick stocks carefully and research their fundamentals and their sector is sheer nonsense. All you have to do is be connected, and you can print cash.

Some will argue that is impossible, but those are the same ones that were arguing a year ago that there was no naked shorting going on, or that if there was, that it was a tiny problem. Now we know from the FOIA data that it is huge, and our understanding of netting gives us insight into the possibility that much of the market is a scam, wherein your hard dollars are going to purchase a big fat bag of nothing, which your broker will lie to you about being the genuine product you paid for.

It's not just hedge funds that can do this. Brokers can, and do, all the time.

There is literally nothing to stop them.

Fortunately, through the power of the Web, we have been able to show that the SEC was lying when they misrepresented Reg SHO as "working." We have been able to get insights into the comment period for that completely ineffective rule being a smokescreen for yet another at least 8 month delay - how would you like to be the Utah governor, who was convinced to wait for big changes by the SIA, only to have them argue against any...and then find out that any implementation will be closer to Summer, 07, than Summer, 06?

What dolts all these peons are, who think that the SEC or the industry has any interest other than stealing investor money. Where do they come from? Is there some factory somewhere that churns them out, wearing overalls and chewing on hay, ready to hand over their cash to some crook in NY who has been fined (without admitting any guilt, of course...he he he...) countless times for stealing everything that isn't bolted down?

I've just explained, in a nutshell, how to print money, Wall Street style.

If you are still dumb enough to believe that you need to work for a living, or build anything, or try to improve something, or deliver value (or even deliver what you were paid for), you have missed the point. We are now living in an era of massive theft, where your only limitation is your pedigree and your willingness to steal. If you are busy, competing, working your ass off, trying to make enough to have a decent retirement, you are a moron. I've just told you how to print cash. Now go to Harvard, get a good education and join some secret societies, and then hit Wall Street for some easy money. Maybe you can run the government once you've made a few billion - assuming you get bored. Maybe a top gig in the Treasury? How about the CIA? Whatever. You can have it all.

That the ants keep toiling so they can afford the ill-crafted sheetrock and stucco walls of their little boxes should charm you, and convince you of  your superiority. Imagine spending your whole life doing that, when you, due to your opportunity and genetic superiority, only have to push a few buttons and turn on the money machine.

People are so funny. If they start to flag, you can convince them they need a Humvee or a Rolex or something. Or that they should hand over their life's work to your friends in the market, to watch it disappear the next time you decide to shake the money tree for some of that free cash.

It's really their fault.

Shame on them for being so gullible.

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There's a lot of hubub about the large hedge fund that received a Wells notice for allegedly naked short selling ahead of a merger.

I'm not going to belabor this, but think about something here. Who allowed them to do that? Who actually placed the trades, and then failed to deliver the shares?

Their broker(s).

And yet nobody is going after them. Tut tut. No siree.

Wonder who that fund pissed off, that they are getting the shaft? You don't see the funds that are being sued by multiple companies getting any grief. Nope. You know, the ones short much of the Reg SHO list?

No, instead you get this sanitized case which is clearly an exception, and which explains nothing about how an NFI or OSTK or HANS or NAVR or KKD or MSO or NFLX or TTWO or FFH or any of the others can be on the SHO list for extended periods.

One of the posters on the NFI board actually brought up a good point - that the amount of DRIP shares in NFI has gone up bigtime over the last year - which is easily explained by tens of millions more naked shares being sold, and many of those reinvesting their dividends into more shares. If the outstanding shares have roughly doubled due to illegal naked shorting, then one would expect the number of DRIP shares to increase roughly the same amount.

Which is precisely what we are seeing.

So why would a company that pays out a rock-solid $5.60 per year in dividends, and which has pushed so much revenue forward that they are paying out 2006's dividend 100% from accumulated 2005 earnings, sell for $30 per share?

Uh....maybe someone has sold tens of millions of shares to keep the price depressed, for as long as it takes, so they can continue making huge bonuses from their other positions?

Figure it out.

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Remember how Patrick has been slammed for running a crappy company, which was the response whenever he would point out that there is systemic risk in the system from the mountain of counterfeit shares?

Turns out that facile bromide was also in error, at least as far as customer satisfaction goes. This just out:

" 2006-11-02 09:05 ET - News Release


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Comments (55)
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By gregcable2002 on 11/2/2006 9:19 AM
This really does look like a concerted effort to completely bankrupt our system and steal everything thats not bolted down in the good ol USA,we're already in debt up to our ears with no light at the end of the tunnel,the reason I say this is because these crooks are getting caught everyday now and no one is going to jail,they get small fines and maybe barred from trading for a few days,thats it,their stealing us blind right out in the open and no one is doing squat.I guess Russo has it all figured out.We need to shut down the federal reserve.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By scams on 11/2/2006 9:46 AM
The apologists for share counterfeiting say that it counteracts "pump and dumps".

The falacy is that the people doing the counterfeiting are the exact same people who used to do the pumps. They will make money either direction, based on where the loopholes and lack of enforcement is.

The apologists are right that sometimes the company are scams and the insiders are dirty, but share counterfeiting actually helps corrupt insiders. They can lend their shares out on a "non recourse" basis to stock loan companies that turn around and counterfeit, using the security as collateral.

By not tying share sales to real bonafide shares, the system has lost checks and balances.

I can think of dozens of ways to screw the system, but here's one:

1. Do a private placement with the company for a million shares. When you get the certificate, note the company that makes the certificate that it is printed on.

2. Buy blank certificates and fill them out with the same certificate number as the legitimite certificate.

3. Deposit dozens of these certificates in accounts around the world. In each case, the brokerage will call the transfer agent who will confirm the certificate is legitimate.

4. Use the certificate as collateral and short sell against it.

By not requiring 144's to actually clear, they've removed all checks and balances from the system.

When does the system ever reconcile to bring everything back to reality?
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By rtway1 on 11/2/2006 4:07 PM
I don,t want to sound like a defeatist and I'll fight any one these bastards. But if they can keep printing money without anybody stopping them then what is the difference. We already lost. If no one in this government is willing to come up to the task than the last person out turn off the lights. All I have heard so far from our government is talk followed by more hype and new talk. One peice of action would go a long way.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By oldfeller on 11/2/2006 4:19 PM
rtway, you got that right. Soon US currency will be cheaper than toilet paper. But the fed will still get paid to let us use it.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Bobo on 11/2/2006 4:42 PM
The problem, as I see it, is that the US system has been superior for a long time - however it has been compromised so thoroughly by a few miscreants that the rot has spread like a rapidly metastasizing cancer, consuming all it touches. Or maybe it all hadn't been put together by anyone before, and has been like this for decades. Dunno. All I know is that now that I understand it, I will be looking long and hard at systems that offer far higher returns then the US system with far less risk. If the crooks can come along at any time they like and steal all your stuff, you are doomed. That is the current state of the market I am describing.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By oldfeller on 11/2/2006 4:52 PM
Agree with you bobo, we have harvested a rotten crop from the ivy league. But thanks to the internet and the inherent spirit of fair play of Americans we can still go on towards a better future.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By pitchforks on 11/2/2006 4:56 PM
When average folks start catching on, the apologists will be sorry they put their own face on this crime.

Lap dog reporters, DTCC PR people, dirty regulators, hedge fund bloggers, billionaire short bloggers, etc. will bear the brunt from the angry mob.

There are way more honest, hardworking "ordinary" folks than thieves and they will be mighty peeved when they realise why they've lost so much money in the market.

Why is it so difficult to explain to the masses how they are being ripped off?
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By accordingtothesec on 11/2/2006 5:10 PM
http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/tplus3.htm

"Unsettled trades pose risks to our financial markets..."

"Most security transactions...must settle in three days"

"If you purchase a security and would like to receive paper certificates, you should review your account agreement..."

Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By rtway1 on 11/2/2006 5:36 PM
I used to look at this fight as a david and Goliath scenario. However it seems that our own government is helping to clone Goliath to keep that power. At every level it it smacks of corruption and complete disregard for the citizens of this country. Our morals are laughed at by our competition. The sad part is that Americans don't have a clue and don't want to be bothered, just don't mess with the remote our sports page.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Screw these manipulators on 11/2/2006 5:57 PM
It's time to let these scumbag MM"s ( Market Makers) who are part and parcel to the fraud know that we're not going to take their bullshit anymore! These are the scumbags that are manipualting the penny stocks on a daily basis.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By hwh on 11/2/2006 6:10 PM
re Jeff Mathews: Wish the CNBC archives contained the segment Ron Insana coaxed a confession from Mathews detailing his use of the pen to get shares at bagrain basement pricews via SEC investigations he helped bring about. It was interview artwork. I've combed the archives and can't find it. Mathews probably caught his Faux Pas and hadit edited.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By archive on 11/2/2006 6:45 PM
hwh, did you try archive.org?
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By teacheric on 11/2/2006 7:59 PM
a decade ago i bought a stock at 169 per share PRST. It was a stock being touted as the stock of the decade by a market letter. Shortly after I bought in, a funny thing happened. There was an SEC investigation. The stock plummeted down to the 20s in just a few short days. I was determined to hold on. Being on margin did not allow me that luxury, however. I don't believe there was anything wrong that was found by the SEC. I know i'm not the only one who lost big on that trade. It was my first expensive lesson and proof that this crap has been happening for quite a while now.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By what is the rest of this story on 11/2/2006 7:59 PM

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Tribune sold its corporate jet as well as real estate last month and agreed to sell a stake in human resources software company BrassRing LLC, it reported in a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=CN&storyID=2006-11-02T234954Z_01_N02239111_RTRIDST_0_MEDIA-TRIBUNE-SALES.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By It's All over the world on 11/2/2006 8:45 PM
A foreign view of the SEC and the Hedge fund caught naked shorting:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10408936
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By BERMUDA SHORT on 11/2/2006 9:50 PM
Summer 2002. The FBI arrests Mark Valentine for attempting to sell TENS of MILLIONS of shares of companies in exchange for kickbacks to the buyers (FBI). Problem is, HE DID NOT OWN THE JNOT SHARES (Now JAGH). He had given back the CD and was still trying to sell Tens of millions of shares that he did not own.

Why did the FBI not bother to find out how he was planning on executing the trade and sell stock he didn't have? How was he going to sell the stock into the system, knowing full well he could not SETTLE the trade?

If they really want to know how this was all being done, there are PLENTY of people to talk to. Problem is, they have been looking the other way for so long they have another problem.....

COVERUP.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Bobo on 11/2/2006 9:53 PM
Allover:

It is really funny that in that article, the SEC is described as being unclear about being able to force shorts to borrow to cover their shorts.

What actually needs to happen is that shares need to be delivered to the buyers, as legally obligated. Refusing to deliver the shares after getting paid isn't short selling. It is fraud and manipulation.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By ginger on 11/2/2006 10:25 PM
Bobo, this is a bit off topic...

Can you give a rough date when Symphony of Greed will be published?

Hoping it won't be too far off.

G
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By language on 11/3/2006 1:26 AM
-A "naked short" is when the sale is made without borrowing the shares.-

This is too confusing for the average person.

These reporters need to spell out that the buyer RECEIVED NOTHING in exchange for their cash.

The way they write it makes it sound like it has something to do with shorting.

Many fails to delivers are LONG SALES. It doesn't matter if they mark the ticket long or short - the problem and the crime is that they don't actually deliver what they are selling.

That's fraud. The SEC doesn't have the authority to say it isn't.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By 2002 on 11/3/2006 2:02 AM
http://www.rgm.com/articles/blamecanada.html
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By InTheKnow on 11/3/2006 3:18 AM
Bermuda Short:

If Mark Valentine was caught trying to sell tens of millions of shares of JNOT (JAGH), that he did not own, to the FBI then how many millions of shares of JAGH had he sold prior to the collapse of his Canadiain brokerage house?

Is he the one that created the massive naked short in JAGH?
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Tax Shelters Art Us on 11/3/2006 4:10 AM
"COHEN PLANS MUSEUM IN CONNECTICUT
Hedge fund billionaire and recent megacollector Steven A. Cohen plans to build a private museum on his property in Greenwich, Conn., according to a report published in the New York Times several weeks ago. The museum would house his many high-profile art acquisitions, including Damien Hirst’s 14-foot-long tiger shark in a tank of formaldehyde, bought for a reported $8 million from Charles Saatchi (and now touring to an exhibition in Europe), as well as a self-portrait by Edouard Manet, a water lily painting by Claude Monet, a drip painting by Jackson Pollock and works by Andy Warhol and Roy Lichtenstein."

http://www.artnet.com/magazineus/news/artnetnews/artnetnews10-26-06.asp
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By cohen on 11/3/2006 7:07 AM
Steve Cohen's fortune comes from money sapped from the system. A portion of your hard earned cash is siphoned off by the system to fund people that take advantage of the loopholes.

I believe the naked positions at Valentine's brokerage (Thomson Kernaghan) are still outstanding. He actually did most of his trades through hundreds of brokerage accounts in the Carribean. I don't completely understand how it works, but if you do a trade where you sell to yourself, you end up with phantom longs. You can lend those phantom shares back to yourself through a repo agreement. The secret is to make sure the various brokerages are in various jurisdictions and that the daisy chain is long enough.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Rube Goldberg on 11/3/2006 7:12 AM
I just saw the HBO show on how to hack the voting machines to steal an election. You can set one candidate to have a negative total and the other to have an offsetting positive total prior to the start of the election. The values net and the elections officials are none the wiser as the totals match the number of voters.

In Canada, they mark a piece of cardboard with a pencil and local volunteers from both parties count the votes by hand in public. Anyone can watch the count. The system works flawlessly and the votes are counted in an hour or so.

It makes me wonder what kind of Rube Goldberg Poindexter thought it was a good idea to take something so simple and make it so complicated. Who benefits from the obfuscation.

The same applies to the clearing system. How dam complicated could it be to keep track of trades, only moving cash in exchange for real shares. What kind of Rube Goldberg Poindexter set up such a ridiculously complicated system?

What is the benefit of making it so complicated?
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Bobo on 11/3/2006 7:22 AM
Rube: The system came about as a series of compromises and kluges to adapt an antiquated system to a variation of the Federal Reserve system. The problem is that so many loopholes were created that it leaks like a sieve, and as with most things in life, the weakest areas are tested constantly for opportunity. Nobody wants to fix the big holes and cracks, as the interstitial revenue now vastly exceeds the honestly generated dough.

Symphony of Greed hasn't had any work done on it over the last few months - other priorities. No publisher will touch it, anyway, as the same folks who own all the papers that keep saying that there is no problem and all is well, also own the publishing houses. I'm sure there are smaller houses, but it just hasn't been a big priority for me.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By davidn on 11/3/2006 9:28 AM
Much of the wealth is going to people outside the industry, though. Why would the Goldman Sachs of the world want to see money siphoned to a Canadian boutique brokerage owner or an arms contractor like Khashoggi?
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By InTheKnow on 11/3/2006 9:53 AM
When people look the other way you have to check to see which hand is being held out behind their back. People just don't ignore stuff or insist it doesn't happen for nothing!
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By time to test the "american way" on 11/3/2006 12:11 PM
since our busienss leaders all praise global opportunities for business...
let's hope this info is getting our to the "global" aka international community.
we are showing them much in our systems needs to be changed, fixed, improved, decimated & revamped(all of these).
now this is a good thing. because america is an open informed society. we don't try to mislead our people. so its the best traditon of representative govt to put it all out for the people to consider.
NOW... the big test of this government being responsive is....
they acknowledge, respond & correct these systems failures in a TIMELY manner so no further problems are created & investments failed.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Ranger on 11/3/2006 3:48 PM
BoBo, I hate to keep beating the dead horse but why are you still fighting the fight. Get rich and then come back and fight the fight with some real money! I do not think it will get fixed until it is completely destroyed. The quicker the rest of us join in and bankrupt the system the quicker it can get fixed. I believe the money needed to cover all of the outstanding short positions in the markets right now is already gone anyway. Wall Street has to create a recession to cover the short interest. They have been pounding the press day after day trying to tell us what they are going to do. They have to create the depression in order for the brokerage houses to clear the books on all the shares they allowed to be sold that did not exist. It truly does become free money with no strings if they can get the country into a recession and force all equities into sustaing long term downtrends. It is and has been the plan all along. Trillions of hedge fund dollars predicted it when they increased the short interest in the overall markets to all-time highs and TOOK THE MONEY OUT OF THE MARKET!. The money is already gone, that is what a short sell does, it takes money out of the market and gives it to the seller period.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By cynabear on 11/3/2006 4:21 PM
I agree iwth Ranger above...still think we need to set up a hedge fund, we all participate, make a zillion dollars have an embedded reporter who does a news documantary and we all go retire iwherever.....i do not believe we can fix the market without a revolution...
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Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By prime on 11/2/2006 10:13 AM
Why don't they investigate the prime brokerages?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_brokerage
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By prime on 11/2/2006 10:15 AM
"Prime Brokers facilitate hedge fund leverage, primarily through loans secured by the long positions of their clients. In this regard, the Prime Broker is exposed to the risk of loss in the event that the value of collateral held as security declines below the loan value, and the client is unable to repay the deficit. In practice, such conditions arise only in the case of extraordinary volatility or unexpected correlation reversions and are exceedingly rare."

Why is this a rare occurrence?
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By bobo on 11/2/2006 10:19 AM
prime:

A cynic would say that it is rare because the prime brokers will move heaven and earth to protect the positions of their big hedge fund customers, including naked shorting millions of shares to break the back of any rally that would threaten them, and by extension, the fortunes of those same prime brokers.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By prime on 11/2/2006 10:31 AM
The hedge funds borrow from the prime brokerages listed here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_brokerage

via a loan agreement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securities_lending

The hedge funds have no way of knowing (or caring) whether the shares contracted for exist.

This lending can be done as a repurchase agreement or a long chain of repurchase agreements. Since the stock is technically sold rather than lent, it won't show up as a short.

Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By prime on 11/2/2006 10:34 AM
An interesting variation on ex-clearing.

What is interesting is that there are literally hundreds of ways Wall Street has come up with to foist non-existent shares on the unsuspecting public, and yet the SEC and the media pretend that they've never heard of any of them.

This is the biggest financial scam of our lifetime.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Iona Hogbin on 11/2/2006 10:45 AM
If we can ever get these sleazeballs in court, we can cite this case:

Ex-software CEO gets 12 years in prison

U.S. District Judge Leo Glasser said though Kumar was not a violent criminal, he "did violence to the legitimate expectations of shareholders."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061102/ap_on_bi_ge/software_sentence

If I shoplist, print counterfeit money, rob a bank, or embezzle, can you just fine me and I'll try to pay that fine and just keep doing business, thank you. Do they teach this in business school nowadays?
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By stockloans on 11/2/2006 10:50 AM
http://www.google.com/search?q=stock+loans
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By redefinition on 11/2/2006 11:21 AM
Did you notice they keep trying to redefine what naked shorting is?

http://www.bobsguide.com/guide/news/16281.html

This bozo defines it as: "The practice involves selling borrowed stock without the approval of stock owner, distorting the stock market driving down company share prices."

This is a complete lie. No wonder the public is confused when they print BS like this.

"Naked shorting is taking the buyer's money and giving them a promise of future delivery."

Did you see the NSCC explanation that "yes, we guarantee delivery, but we don't say when in the future the delivery will occur".

What a load of crap.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By virakiller on 11/2/2006 11:34 AM
get the bats and meet me on Wall Street
YOU HEAR ME AMERICA ?????????/

Our lives and the lives of our children hang in the balance as they bankrupt our
beloved country

ARE WE JUST GONNA SIT ON OUR HANDS ,OR WHAT ?
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Bobo on 11/2/2006 11:40 AM
redefinition:

I guess the definition I use, "Naked short selling is the manipulative practice of falsly advertising for sale bogus stock, misrepresented as genuine, taking the buyer's money, and then refusing to deliver anything" is too complicated for these big thinkers.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Freddo on 11/2/2006 11:54 AM
This country is in a really crappy place right now. It makes me sad to admit that I am American, and a service connected veteran.


"Paper is poverty....it is only the ghosts of money, and not money itself"
~Thomas Jefferson

"Wake up, you idiots! Whatever made you think paper was so valuable?"
~Kurt Vonnegut
Galapagos

Two of my favorite quotes from Aaron Russo's "Freedom To Fascism!"

FC,CF

P.S. Bobo...even the dumbed down lil ole middle class me can understand your definition of NSS. I guess the crooks and thieves just don't have the balls to own up to the damage they have done, so they ignore your simple definitions, and make up thier own. When will the madness end?
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By hear LOUD footsteps on 11/2/2006 11:57 AM
Sanjay Kumar, the former CEO of Computer Associates, was sentenced to 12 years in prison Thursday for his role in a $2.2 billion accounting fraud at the software company.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/02/news/newsmakers/kumar/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By mhelburn on 11/2/2006 1:08 PM
Such a timely blog. Prime, thanks for posting the info from Wikipedia.... someone asked about it today. Must say you made it really easy.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Take a Bite Out of NSS on 11/2/2006 1:11 PM
Bobo,

Have you ever discussed removing OSTK from the listed options market? As I can see zero benefit to OSTK (or any stock for that mater) in having listed options, that would throw a wrench or two into the gearbox and at the very least remove one of the more flagrant naked shorting / stock manipuation avenues.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Niel Storts on 11/2/2006 1:24 PM
You getting it "Bob"? The only solution is what isn't the solution. I'll have to disagree with you on that one though beings it is the only one there is.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Wonder Boy on 11/2/2006 1:38 PM
Did I hear CNBC correctly? The SEC gets upset when the stock that is naked shorted is not returned on time?

Didn't the SEC write the rules? Aren't there no enforced buy ins in those rules? When did the SEC recognize there is such a thing as naked shorting? Do Annette and Jamie still work at the SEC?

Geeezzzzz.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By mhelburn on 11/2/2006 1:39 PM
CNBC... mentions NSS and Hibernia and OSTK..... But nowhere did they mention fraud or theft... counterfeiting.... But PB was cited as claiming that naked shorters were damaging his company.... hmmm. No giggling Becky Quick.... The tide has turned.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By mhelburn on 11/2/2006 1:44 PM
WonderBoy,

You heard it right.... pretty light treatment of the whole thing... but I agree with Bob... Somebody had some pull to get the SEC to look at the Hibernia shares being counterfeited. It couldn't be done in a vacuum.... The broker had to be involved.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Wonder Boy on 11/2/2006 1:56 PM
mhelburn---

I expect that they are just trying to 'recognize' it to cover their exposed parts. With Grassley and Specter running around, something should get turned up.

Still the SEC has denied NSS for years. Their perverted 'statistics' show that it isn't a problem. I think it is about time for the SEC to PROVE to the investing public that the markets are honest and everyone gets what they paid for.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By Get me a Bucket on 11/2/2006 3:37 PM
We need to get the vomit out of our system starting with Annette Nazareth and Richard Shelby. Both enemies of all small investors... meaning every average American.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By language on 11/2/2006 3:40 PM
We need to force them to be precise with language. The scam is that they sold something that didn't actually exist. They took real money and delivered nothing in return.

Whenever we see a reporter misrepresent it as borrowing shares to short without asking, we need to call them on it. The public needs to understand that these thieves are selling us hot air and promises. The downside manipulation is a tangent to the bigger crime of taking our money and giving us dick all in return.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By rtway1 on 11/2/2006 3:48 PM
I think it is time to find out more about investing in foreign exchanges other this manipulated system we have running here with the aid of our elected officials. I see no future in putting your financial lives on the line when at anytime there can be a melt down and in a matter of weeks you could be wiped out. Once the money starts leaving the pols and the agencies will take heed because their ass is going to get trimmed also. I would sure like to learn more and if anybody has any ideas post them.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By oldfeller on 11/2/2006 3:59 PM
Wow, after all this time cnbc and Cox talking about naked shorting like it`s a curious new development. Yes, we might want to start watching for that, some other hedge fund might try it again. Sick how they still assume the tv watching public are mainly composed of slow children.
Re: Printing Money The Wall Street Way By foreign on 11/2/2006 4:00 PM
If we pull money out of the domestic market, then the counterfeiters win. The market goes down and they cover cheaply.

I'd rather see us force them to deliver real shares. A squeeze would transfer money back into our pockets.

There is only so much money in the system. Either they are making a profit or we are.

It's our turn!

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