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NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points

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Posted by:   bobo 9/27/2006 8:10 AM

The NYSE commissioned a $600K study to help explain why companies are choosing to do their IPOs elsewhere, rather than in the US markets.

I would love that gig. Sort of like being a dog psychologist - how do I get some of that easy loot?

Try this:

Companies understand that the US market system is an unregulated den of thieves where miscreants routinely destroy companies regardless of their merits. Thus, they have no interest in going public in this cesspool. You rip folks off enough, eventually they stop playing your rigged and crooked game.

There.

Just saved the $600K. No charge.

Or maybe they looked over the NYSE FOIA data that shows that Failure to Delivers are actually unaffected by a year and a half's worth of Reg SHO, and correctly concluded that there was no barrier to being shorted into the toilet?

Do these arrogant parasites really believe that they can rob everyone for decades, and that nobody will figure it out?

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Options Market Maker Wolverine, out of Chicago, sent in a letter to the SEC, commenting on Reg SHO. It was dated September 25, 2006, and the comment period closed on the 19. Still, why not make an exception for a participant accustomed to receiving exceptions from the rules? Think of it this way - they just failed to deliver the letter on time. No big deal. Happens every day.

The letter is noteworthy because it articulates clearly that the MM exemption allows the MM to hedge their put option positions at no cost, passing the cost to the equity investors in the form of dilution and delivery failures.

Read the letter here.

One of my favorite quotes:

"Presently, Wolverine is able to hedge options trades by selling shares short without first locating stock and generally is not subject to the mandatory close-out requirements for threshold securities. These exceptions allow Wolverine to continuously disseminate bids and offers (i.e., be on both sides of the market) because it can easily hedge market maker option trades with stocks that are illiquid and/or considered "hard to borrow."

Huh. So, exactly as the NCANS letter states, the cost of hedging put options is transferred from those speculating in the options market, and onto the backs of equity investors, who receive no benefit from that additional burden.

Nice.

And of course, the options MM doesn't want this free lunch at investor expense to end. No kidding.

I wonder where the SEC gets the authority to favor one class of participants and one market (derivatives) at the direct expense of another, separate market (equities)? I can't seem to find how that is consistent with investor protection, or in the public interest. I completely understand how it is in the interest of the options market makers, as otherwise they would actually have to charge more for options where the desired hedging securities are scarce, thereby annoying their customers with having to pay the freight for their speculation, and potentially cutting into the MM's profits. And it would really cut into the huge revenue stream from renting out your MM exemption to miscreant hedge funds who play your put options as a mechanism to create huge supply of naked short sale shares in Reg SHO securities.

I completely get how lucrative that trade is.

Who would want to have to pay for the benefit they receive, if they are currently getting it free? Who would want to have to charge manipulators more for speculating in securities where there is little liquidity, due to their having already naked short sold the target into the ground?

I couldn't have made their point better if I'd tried.

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Go check out Mark Faulk's latest. It's a barn burner. Really a good read.

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I am currently working on a petition supporting the NCANS letter, and a list of 7 milestones/demands that are required for there to be any faith in the integrity of the US markets. I will use petition online once it is drafted and edited, and I will encourage everyone to affix their name to the list.

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Comments (33)
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By InTheKnow on 9/27/2006 12:08 PM
Conclusion: The NYSE and Market Makers are a bunch of Brain Dead morons.
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By gregcable2002 on 9/27/2006 12:14 PM
bobo,your on these crooks like flies on a dead mule.Keep up the great work,every working american will benefit from this someday.
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By Baloney on Toast on 9/28/2006 9:03 AM
CNBC takes us to the Four Seasons for lunch today.
Isn't that just lovely.
Isn't that the restaurant where Amaranth seduced its investors?
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By Amaranth, It's not just for breakfast anymore on 9/28/2006 9:17 AM
A Hedge Fund’s Loss Rattles Nerves - New York Times
Yet also last week, Charles H. Winkler, chief operating officer at Amaranth, had met with prospective investors at the Four Seasons restaurant in Manhattan ...
www.nytimes.com/2006/09/19/business/19hedge.html - Similar pages
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By Willie Loman on 9/28/2006 9:21 AM
We need intelligent articulation.

As much as I'd like to break a few specialist/market-maker kneecaps too, over all the chicanery and outright thievery they've inflicted on "retail" investors (that's us), we need to come across as reasonable, articulate, responsible, in short (no pun intended), just your humble average Joe from Main Street, Anywheretown, U.S.A.

Kill them with logic. Disinfect the parasites by continuosly strengthing the beam of light being shined on them. Always hone, test, and revise your hypothesis and arguments. And pray that logic will prevail.
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By just me on 9/28/2006 9:51 AM
has anyone seen CSHD and the squueze under way ?
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By bbhindyou on 9/28/2006 12:15 PM
I have trrid several times to open the audio link on the cshd message site no luck.
Synopsis?
Anyone get it to work?
so ameritrade naked shorts and then it wont let people buy By Newspaper on 9/28/2006 12:48 PM
they did this to pgwc cshd and a score of other stocks. you all read that cshd pr about ameritrade right? how dirty is this going to get?

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060913/clw098.html?.v=1
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By Bruce Thompson on 9/29/2006 6:58 PM
Doesn't NFI have to file all kinds of documents and get SEC permission before they sell 2 million shares into the market. Isn't NFI considered ILLIQUID?

Doesn't issuing millions of bogus shares harm an ILLIQUID stick like NFI?

I thought so!
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By metoo on 9/27/2006 12:20 PM
That quote from Wolverine is amazing. THEY are the cause of massive naked shorts.
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By Miss Quackfaster on 9/27/2006 12:22 PM
Congress issues subpoenas to alleged 'pretexters'
September 27, 2006
Five investigators accused of obtaining information through false pretenses known as pretexting have been subpoenaed to testify at a hearing Thursday before the U.S. House Energy and Commerce Committee.
The subpoenas were issued in connection with the congressional investigation into Hewlett-Packard's controversial leak hunt, according to a statement from the committee.
The five investigators called to testify are Bryan Wagner of Littleton, Colo.; Charles Kelly from the CAS Agency in Villa Rica, Ga.; Cassandra Selvage of Eye in the Sky Investigations in Dade City, Fla.; Darren Brost of Austin, Texas; and Valerie Preston of InSearchOf Inc. in Cooper City, Fla.

http://news.com.com/2061-10796_3-6120153.html?part=rss&tag=6120153&subj=news
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By bobo on 9/27/2006 12:26 PM
Note that nobody subpoenaed Jesse Eisinger or Carol when NCANS bank records and cell phone records made their way there.

The best justice money can buy.
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By particleswaves on 9/27/2006 12:39 PM
IMO. Neither reform in the financial markets nor economic relief for the average American will occur until Congress and the Supreme Court have the will to nationalize the Federal Reserve. Now the House of Representatives (of fat cats only) is poised to further cloud reform evidenced by the following:

By Damian Paletta
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The U.S. House of Representatives is poised to pass a bill Wednesday that would eliminate multiple regulatory hurdles for U.S. financial institutions but stops short of a broader overhaul sought by many industry groups.
Among other things, the bill aims to resolve a nearly seven-year fight between the Securities and Exchange Commission and bank regulators regarding oversight of bank brokerage activities. In a victory for banks, the legislative compromise calls for the SEC and the U.S. Federal Reserve to develop rules jointly within the next six months, with approval of other bank regulatory agencies. Proposed rules previously suggested by the SEC and opposed by banks would be scrapped under the bill.
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By bobo on 9/27/2006 12:55 PM
In other words, the industry wins again.

Which means investors lose.

Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By mhatmccane on 9/27/2006 1:07 PM
I wonder if the new "BIDS" system being developed for heavy hitters isn't just
another way to take massive naked short positions ex clearing. Possibly a hedge
that the SEC may eliminate the Grandfather clause.
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By CMElec on 9/27/2006 1:36 PM
Clearly the SEC is interested in liquidity because they believe their is more money on tap for them because of it. And they are probably right considering all of the derivitive structures.
Remeber, it's ALL about money.
The wolverine is the maestro orchestrating the profits and fees for the taxing authority.
Why would they want that to be hampered?
When the U.S. Government taxes, it's a bad bad thing and meets much moaning and groaning.
But if they run a lottery that pays 10 cents on the dollar out, they have to print new money for it because the players overwhelm them, throwing money in their pot willingly. It is ssssooo lucrative.
As you said, the stock market has the heritage of making winners and losers, so losers are expected.
We are only now finding out how rigged a game it is and how disproportionate. The internet and its capability to diseminate information to the masses will help provide the needed volume of objections to the current system to change things. We need to hear from the masses.
Keep up the fight.
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By clearthinker on 9/27/2006 1:49 PM
Interestingly enough, I don't believe we have even BEGUN to see the barrage from the industry as it defends itself from the truthseekers (us)...there's too much money involved...by the time this is over, they will make every attempt to portray us as tin foil hats...and if they can they will do their utmost to bury Overstock....(downgrade today)....

Really, it's almost more than a grown man can bear to watch....
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By Patchie on 9/27/2006 2:37 PM
This comment by Wolverine is priceless:

Wolverine is concerned that if all deliveries must be made within a specified period of time once a stock is classified as a threshold security, short sellers (both market makers and other market participants) undoubtedly will be "squeezed" into paying more to cover their short stock positions.

Now since the SEC never state that short sellers have to cover trades, only settlement failures, isn't this guy saying - we shouldn't have to settle trades if those trades are at a loss? And if so, what does that tell you about the market maker entitlement mentality?

Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By sealman29 on 9/27/2006 2:43 PM
NCANS and all other interested parties must send SEC a letter demanding that all letters re:SHO received after 9/19 deadline, must be ignored. That goes especially for Wall Streeters and the voices of the crooks.
Copy to senators and reps. Copy to FBI, DOJ, NYSE, PB.
Great job EB, we are with you all the way.
OT: Gary Weiss and antisocialmedia.net By wiseacre on 9/27/2006 2:51 PM
Craziest thing. I posted a message posting the website antisocialmedia.net on the OSTK boards at YAHOO and it got deleted! My account is in tact there so am wondering how someone could have done it? Inside job?
OT: Gary Weiss and antisocialmedia.net By wiseacre on 9/27/2006 2:56 PM
Would someone do the same (post the link over there) and let us know what happens? I noticed within 10 minutes, it got pegged for 11 one star ratings. Very bizarre.
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By The Chain Gang on 9/27/2006 3:07 PM
Let's devise a chain letter to post on 2 or 3 message boards asking the recipient to post it on 2 or three other message boards and sign their alias. If we did this how long would it take before we have reached every poster on every board and have enough people to cause a ground swell so theyl have to take some action to kill the beast.

You have received this post because financial terrorists have taken hold of our stock market. Please post this on 2 or 3 other boards blah blah blah
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By The Chain Gang on 9/27/2006 3:08 PM
Of course the letter should direct everyone over here.
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By Broken on 9/27/2006 3:12 PM
S brokers unveil new trading system
Financial Times

Six of the largest US brokerage firms on Wednesday unveiled a new trading system aimed at increasing competition and reducing costs in securities trading.

Known as BIDS (Block Interest Discovery Service), the system makes it easier for brokers to place large blocks of shares off-exchange where they will not incur trading tariffs."
____

"The banks backing the BIDS consortium are Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley and UBS. Larry Leibowitz, chief operating office for equities at Lehman Brothers, said the current competitive climate had been customer led. "It was the buy-side that drove it," he said. "There was a lot of pressure to cut [brokerage] commissions.""

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?feed=FT&Date=20060927&ID=6058981
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By LBO's on 9/27/2006 3:33 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14757646/site/newsweek/
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By Miss Quackfaster on 9/27/2006 5:07 PM
Georgia detains four Russian officers on spying charges

Georgian security forces detained four Russian military officers on spying charges on Wednesday and demanded the handover of a fifth officer, and Russia summoned Georgia's ambassador to demand their immediate release.
"Counter-intelligence officers detained several people, among them four officers of the main intelligence department of the Russian armed forces and over 10 Georgian nationals," Georgian Interior Minister Vano Merabishvili was quoted by the Interfax news agency as telling a briefing in Tbilisi.


http://english.people.com.cn/200609/28/eng20060928_306993.html
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By Little Bo peep on 9/27/2006 5:28 PM
Sometimes my sheep and I disagree on issues and we all understand that it is okay to agree to disagree. It is okay to vent, most people do.

I think we need to step back and focus on what the issues are.

My sheep and I have decided that we have yet to meet anyone that is perfect. I am sure they are out there, we just have not met them yet.

We have also decided that we have seen enough of the elected officials trying to rip each others heads off.
There is no winners in doing that.
It would take someone a lifetime to list all the mistakes
that have been made.

The shit that is going on now is VERY serious, some people got caught up in the greed trap and our enemy wants to keep the focus on the pissing contest.

It's working isn't it?

Can we understand that we all are a part of an American Family?
Like our own families that are like candy, some sweet, some sour
and some nuts. I tend to fit into the nut category.

There are many things going on behind the curtains and you are reading news each day about bad guys being busted.
So, I think we should give them a chance to take down the bad guys. They will.

If we can get our elected officials to stop bickering about who said and who did what and get their asses in GEAR to stop the fraud! Enough already.

We could put John Kasich for prez and Hillary Clinton vice prez. Ya think?
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By Monica on 9/27/2006 6:10 PM
Hillary Clinton of WhiteWater fame?
Will the Future Be the Holocaust All Over Again? By Craig on 9/27/2006 8:40 PM
Some plan has to be developed to terminate or limit the Options MMs naked positions.

If the SEC does nothing - it would be like saying "We Don't Give A Flying Fuck About the Investor. Rape Us, Beat Us, Kill Us" When the markets fail and social security has failed - what will be do with all of those people. Will the Govt exterminate us like the Nazi's did to the Jews in WWII.

God Help Us!
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By gregcable2002 on 9/28/2006 5:41 AM
Craig,they won't kill us as long as we can make bricks without straw.
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By clearthinker on 9/28/2006 7:03 AM
The average American is nothing more than an opportunity to a true capitalist. As long as we earn enough money to stay afloat, be good consumers, eat the crappy food in fast food establishments, watch plenty of TV, and watch our IRA and 401K's melt from manipulation and fraud - they are happy as pigs in slop.

No one is really "looking out" for us....
Hmmm. By newspaper on 9/28/2006 8:20 AM
Alright we got a real short squeeze going on in CSHD. Now when are we going to hear about the next Hedge Fund that lost 1billion because of a “bad natural gas bet”?

Second

I have heard this and that here and there.

People seem to think the new mandate of the SEC is as follows.

1- Do not allow stocks to become “overvalued” this would be a very high P/E or P/S.
2- Avoid at all costs a short squeeze.

If both of these are accomplished there will never ever be a transfer of wealth from the haves to the have not’s. in fact the inverse will happen has happened is happening the not’s will have less and the haves own all.
Re: NYSE Wonders Why IPOs Down; Options MM Letter To SEC Confirmation of NCANS Letter's Points By virakiller on 9/28/2006 8:57 AM
time to hit the street America
WE NEED ACTION
WE NEED REPRESENTATION

if they wont give it to us we will represent ourselves go down to Wall Street and grab these %$#@#@ buy the neck and say
SETTLE THE DAMN MARKETS

Meet me on Wall Street with bats and nooses America

this bankrupting of our home WILL STOP
or else
WE WILL KILL THEM

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