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Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting

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Posted by:   bobo 8/28/2006 3:23 AM

The Continuous Net Settlement System (CNS). A system implemented by Wall Street to speed transaction processing, which nets sales against purchases, and against the accounts of DTCC participants.

What does it have to do with the magnitude of the Fail To Deliver (FTD) problem?

Turns out, a lot.

Because of the netting, many delivery failures never show up as such at the DTCC, and consequently are never reported. The DTCC literally doesn't know they exist. How can that be?

Here's an example created for me by Dr. Susanne Trimbath, PhD, an authority on the clearing and settlement system:

 

Here’s what happens if you settle trade for trade

Sell

“Deliver” at customer account level (some level below your DTCC account)

100

0

200

200

500

500

-800

+700

i.e., you are short 100 shares at this level, with 200 shares failed to be delivered and received

 

 

Now look what happens at the end of the same day after NSCC Account nets to the -800 shares position:

Seller’s DTCC Free Account

9,000

NSCC settlement

-800

Balance after settlement

8,200

 

 

There are no failures to deliver at NSCC that day because there were sufficient shares in the sellers free account to cover their bill

Ta-dah! Netting hides the failure to deliver

In other words, Prime Broker A could have, say, 1 million long shares of NFI in their account, and during the course of the day, several of their big hedge fund customers could fail 400,000 shares, and those would never show up as FTDs because the CNS system would net the fails against their securities in their account, essentially netting the fails against shares in their DTC account.

Here's how it was further clarified for me by Dr. Trimbath:

"For your question, you need to follow through to the DTC account, where shares are taken automatically for CNS settlement by NSCC. Here, we’re talking about a hedge fund that failed to deliver to Prime Broker A, a specific trade that failed delivery. However, because the “free” shares are taken from Prime Broker A’s account there is no reported failure to deliver at NSCC.

If, for example, the failure is in IBM, and Prime Broker A has a ton of shares hanging around the house account, then those get swept up for delivery and there is no failure in CNS. There is a failure in the system somewhere, but the DTCC never sees it. Prime Broker A should be tracking it, we hope, to be sure they get the shares... But there are no SEC rules about Prime Broker A reporting that. (From what I’ve seen in NYSE audits, the Prime Broker A's of the world aren’t keeping very good records on this sort of thing, frankly).

Now what if those are NFI, and Prime Broker A doesn’t have a ton of shares hanging around the house account? Now, there’s nothing to get swept out for settlement and you get a reported FTD from NSCC. This helps explain why smaller companies show up on threshold lists more often, despite the fact that over-voting of shares occurs in HP/Compaq, for example."

OK, so I get it. CNS nets against the NSCC accounts of the participants, and the only FTDs that are reported are trades over and above whatever each participant has on account, after all trades for the day are netted against each other.

So realistically, delivery failures hidden by the CNS system could be much larger than what shows up as FTDs at the DTCC, given that 90+% of all trades are netted. Literally, most of the issued shares of a company on account at the DTCC via brokers could be used up in netting BEFORE the first FTD showed up as we think of them, or as they would show up on a FOIA request.

Now think about that for a second.

We know that EVERY company has an over-voting problem. So by definition, more votes are being cast than shares exist. Margin lending, without distinguishing lent security entitlements, accounts for some of that - the brokers just allow the lent share investor, who has no right to vote as his shares were lent out - to vote anyway.

But how much is due to the slop in the system - the CNS hidden delivery failures? Nobody knows.

So what does that say about market integrity?

Try this one out. In addition to CNS netting hiding the true level of delivery failures, we also have ex-clearing, wherein failures are moved out of the system and treated as a contractual agreement between two brokers - thus out of, or "ex", clearing system. Nobody really knows how large that is, either. And foreign clearing firms also net behind their own curtain, further minimizing the problem's size.

Are you starting to get it now?

I haven't seen a comprehensible discussion of the CNS system's impact on FTDs, so I thought I would try to explain it - so next time the DTCC or the SEC say delivery failures aren't a "significant problem" (assuming you believe anything they say after the Aguirre revelations, and the Global Links and NFI and OSTK and CALM and TASR, etc. etc. revelations) consider the context, and further consider how much is hidden behind the curtain of CNS.

Hope this explains it so the average person can get their head around it. Sort of a CNS for Dummies.

The short way of saying it is that CNS netting could easily be minimizing the apparent problem by 90+%.

How's that for scary?

Here's a diagram of a 100 share failed transaction, where the ledger is adjusted against the total long shares held by the broker, resulting in no fail at the DTCC level, even though the seller never delivered the shares to the broker.

CNS.GIF

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Comments (62)
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By mhatmccane on 8/28/2006 7:29 AM
And, it gets scarier when you consider that IRA and 401K accounts are also lumped in with "margin" accounts in one big pot for each broker. Reg T seems to be either forgotten or ignored.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By gregcable2002 on 8/28/2006 7:36 AM
Man,an ever ending supply of tradable shares without the copanies permission ,what a racket,and the sec refuses to look beyond thieir noses on purpose.It's coming to an end,I heard the free lunch program is getting canceled sonn.TIC TOC TIC TOC
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By gregcable2002 on 8/28/2006 1:10 PM
Doctor, we know what the problem is,now it's time to remedy it ONCE AND FOR ALL.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By aldigit01 on 8/28/2006 2:15 PM
Bob,

I think part of the confusion may be that shares from one account are used to wash fails via CNS into another account on day 1, leaving an IOU behind. On day 2, those same shares are used to to wash more fails via CNS and land in a new account, leaving another set of IOUs behind. And so on.

As long as the brokerage has some shares in house, he can use them to wash via CNS against daily fails. The only time there'll be FTDs which make it to the dtcc is if the the broker's sellers fail on more shares than the brokerage is holding locally.

Please correct me if my logic has run astray.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By davidn on 8/28/2006 2:21 PM
The important thing to realize is this happens at various levels.

A brokerage can take buy orders all day long, printing the trades, but not actually finding a real seller. They just end up owning less shares than their clients think they own.

For example, clients at a brokerage might own 5 million shares of Microsoft, but the brokerage, knowing that most clients will never withdraw their certificates, might only own 2.5 million shares of Microsoft. The brokerage could take their money without buying anything. As long as the trade is printed, the client has no idea. When the client sells, they just print a new trade that doesn't actually occur, then give them their money back.

This process can happen at any level. For example, a clearing brokerage may own less shares than the introducing brokerages think they own.

Examples of the levels:

You are a customer of your brokerage.
Your brokeerage is a customer of their clearing brokerage.
The clearing brokerage is a customer of a depository such as CDS.
The depository is a customer of the DTC.
The DTC keeps track of who Cede & Co. owes shares to

Only Cede & Co. is registered as the actual owner with the full basket of rights at the company transfer agent.

At each level, the customer trusts the other organization to have enough shares on deposit.

If the transaction doesn't go through CNS, then they wouldn't record a fail.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By davidn on 8/28/2006 2:24 PM
Further to my last message:

This clearing firm, brought down by arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi, (who although he made the cover of Time magazine, can't be located by the SEC) owned less shares than the introducing brokerages thought they owned.

www.mjktrustee.com

At each level, there is a breach of trust where less shares are owned than the previous level thinks they own.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By davidn on 8/28/2006 2:32 PM
The SEC can't seem to locate Adnan, leaving the system (you pay premiums to the SIPC through your commissions) on the hook for bringing down MJK Clearing. When the stock market closed because of Sept. 11th, the scheme unwound.

Funny this $130 million crime and multi billion dollar impact to the market didn't make the news....

Funny how names of these arms dealers, 911 types, counterfeiters, alphabet agencies, etc. all keep popping up.

___

Saudi financier Adnan Khashoggi and Ramy El-Batrawi, former CEO of telemarketing firm GenesisIntermedia, Inc. (GENI), were charged with securities fraud by the SEC in a civil complaint (here) filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles. Khashoggi is best-known as the arms dealer in the Iran-Contra scandal in the 1980s, and he and El-Batrawi were controlling shareholders of GENI before its collapse in 2001. They are accused of manipulating the stock price and misappropriating over $130 million in transactions that led to the collapse of several brokerage firms, resulting in the largest bailout in the history of SIPC.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By davidn on 8/28/2006 2:46 PM
Icahn, Khashoggi, 911, Heaven's Gate Cult and Men are from Mars.

http://www.madcowprod.com/MC6812004.html

Check out Yasser Arafat bringing down Refco

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000102&sid=aRLcewmcKg6s&refer=uk

Or Khashoggi and BCCI:

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BCCI.htm

It seems like thefts of hundreds of millions of dollars from every day investors like you and me are not important enough to make CNN, but they can go on and on endlessly about some guy who DIDN'T kill a little girl ten years ago.

What do they care - the system will cover it up and the little guy will pay for it through SIPC premiums, increased income tax fees, a devalued currency exchange rate and a higher interest premium on your mortgage.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By Millerd1 on 8/28/2006 3:38 PM
With what you are describing, because the selling brokers could be admitting to internal FTD's; the DTCC would not know about or exclude their ex-clearing fails. So these failed exclearing shares then can be DOUBLE counted as being "Free" to solve a DTCC failure. At the minimum those shares could be trying to cover two failures at the same time.

When the stock is on the Reg SHO list, the CNS system should be showing a system wide shortage. Individual participants can have net postive positions, but overall the aggregate fails have to exceed the net positives. After the stock hits the Reg SHO list the CNS system should be turning up fails one for one.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By InTheKnow on 8/28/2006 3:44 PM
Is this Ponzi Scheme to continue or will they bring on the Special Prosecutor?

America is at stake!
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By Wonder Boy on 8/28/2006 6:06 PM
OK, but who do we see that will correct this situation? The SEC is a bad joke. Congress will NOT regulate Wall Street. A special prosecutor may address the Aguirre/SEC situation, but it will not go farther than that.

Who DO we see?
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By browntrout on 8/28/2006 6:18 PM
Wonder Boy- Now you know the truth. You got a lameduck Whitehouse lining their pockets as fast as they can, you got most of CONgress on the political take, you got captive regulators who are as guilty as the crooked hedge funds and brokerage firms and you got a judicial system where the top judges are political appointees. Who do you call? Try Ghostbusters! I think you will have better luck with them than the previously mentioned turds!
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By kevin on 8/28/2006 6:23 PM
We can call on our fellow investors. They need to understand how they are being ripped off.

If they want us to play in their casino, they need to enforce the rules.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By kevin on 8/28/2006 6:28 PM
Word is starting to get out thanks to our own muckrakers.

"The GLKC data (obtained in a FOIA request by David E. Patch, a prominent muckraker of securities fraud) indicate SEC is not serving as "cop on the beat" protecting individual investors."

http://www.sgvtribune.com/business/ci_4232832
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By rtway1 on 8/28/2006 6:41 PM
I think DavidN said it best. Until the public sees their account diminished materially instead of in print there will be no extreme action. However when the part of our populace that has a grasp of how Ponzi schemes work along with counterfeiting of stock shares electronically becomes more and more publicised and understood there will be a lot of jail time and law suits and especially BK's. My biggest hope is that Jimmie and Herbie get to wear orange and Gary can't sell a stick of gum.
Re: still seems to me that share price is getting manipulated By Dr. T on 8/28/2006 7:43 PM
Any time the "supply" of shares is inflated, either through the attribution of entitlements where settlement has failed or through stock lending where the lender retains an entitlement, there will be an impact on price. These activities result in an inflation of the number of shares available for sale, despite a fixed number of shares being issued by the company.
Re: exclude their ex-clearing fails By Dr. T on 8/28/2006 7:50 PM
Millard1: I'm not entirely sure that the scenario BobO described here is all there is to "ex-clearing fails". I've always understood that to mean trades that settle outside the clearing system that have delivery failures. For example, some trades may settle broker-to-broker or through non-DTCC clearing organizations (in other countries).

This scenario is for a trade that went through NSCC's clearing system and net settlement. I believe there is an entirely different category of trades that make up what is known as "ex-clearing FTDs".

Maybe someone else who uses that term will offer a clarification.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By mig on 8/28/2006 8:30 PM
People could be prosecuted and sent to jail for this for the same reason Al Capone was convicted...Tax Evasion. As an example, I once owned NFI in a Roth IRA. These shares were held in "street name" at the DTCC. If they were used to cover a short and the person who bought them had the shares in a non IRA cash account...They would most likely have been given the "real" dividend (to indicate they had the real shares) and my IRA would have been given the "in lieu" dividend since my IRA is not taxed anyway. I always thought it was strange my IRA would have a plus and minus (canceling each other out) tax adjustment on those reit dividends.

The DTCC won't care, senators may not care, the bank may not care, and the SEC may not care, many investors may not care, but...when the tax man is cheated, out of his money...HE cares.

Doesn't the I.R.S. offer rewards for turning in tax cheats?
Re: Federal Reserve Banks are Private Corps. By Dr. T on 8/28/2006 8:51 PM
Old duffer: True, the FRBs are private. Difference is that they give all their excess revenue (of which there is plenty since they run Open Market Operations) to the Treasure to offset the national debt (of which there is plenty since, well, you know why). DTCC's excess revenue goes to the banks, brokers and stock exchanges who own them. According to their consolidated financial statements, DTCC gave $527,953,000 in discounts and refunds to Participants in 2005.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By bobo on 8/28/2006 9:07 PM
I use ex-clearing, and I mean it as ex, "outside" of the clearing settlement system, including CNS. Contractual arrangements to handle settlement out of the system That is different then netting.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By oldfeller on 8/28/2006 9:43 PM
Lots of new posters here who sound like they`ve done their homework. Some mainstream media starting to cover it finally. Yawn. The money is gone. The people who took it will never go to jail. The regulators who sat and watched and allowed it to happen will not be embarrased in their lifetimes. The number of people who really understand this complex type of scam is a very small percentage of the population. At best exposing it will lessen peoples faith in our government. Just another black eye for us as a nation, another reason for young people to doubt everything they hear about morality, ethics, etc.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By Rome is burning on 8/29/2006 3:16 AM
only way out is to settle the trades, it has to stop
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By Granny on 8/29/2006 4:17 AM
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Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By gregcable2002 on 8/29/2006 4:31 AM
Right on granny,what catchy fraise or one liner could we use? Maybe we could have a contest?
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Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By InTheKnow on 8/29/2006 6:05 AM
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Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By InTheKnow on 8/29/2006 6:06 AM
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Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By gregcable2002 on 8/29/2006 6:11 AM
I'll take 100 bumper stickers right now,and set some out at the local republican election office,and the democrates office.I'll need about 1000 pamphlets also.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By MarionPolk on 8/29/2006 6:13 AM
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Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By davidn on 8/29/2006 7:05 AM
As I understand it...

The system to "print" trades is different than the system to "match" trades. When you see a trade go through, that is a "print". I'm told that on the OTC, it is common to print trades to make it look like someone is dumping a massive block, then cancel them a few hours later.

When CNS matches trades, it nets it so there is NO SELLER THAT MATCHES A BUYER. The reason is that all trades turn into one net sell from the brokerage to the NSCC and one net purchase from the NSCC. The NSCC is literally the company that is refusing to deliver, even though they guaranteed the trade would settle.

Other trade types:

- trades that never occurred, but are canceled in error
- market maker crosses
- direct agreements between two brokerages
- institutional trades (I think it is called omgeo, or something like that)
- desking where the trade is internal to a brokerage, clearing house or depository


Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By davidn on 8/29/2006 7:09 AM
Example:

A buys 100 shares from C
C buys 1000 shares from B
A buys 100 shares from B

NSCC owes a 200 shares
NSCC owes C 1000 shares
C owes NSCC 100 shares
C owes NSCC 1100 shares

Note that there isn't a seller that equals the amount owed to a buyer.

The NSCC literally is on the hook for delivery as they guaranteed the trade would settle even if they didn't receive delivery.

I think what happened is the hedge funds / brokerage industry gained control of the NSCC, then set up the rules so that they could take the money from a fail to delivery and close shop, leaving the NSCC with the massive liability. They know that the tax payer or insurance premium payer will bail out the system and they will get to keep their fortunes as long as they trickle a little money into the right political campaigns and other bribes.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By Dr. Jim DeCosta on 8/29/2006 7:23 AM
Excellent discussion on how bogus the reporting of FTDs really is! Now for the accounting cover-up. Assume the FTD is "Cured" by a DTCC Stock Borrow Program "Pseudo-borrow" (a bogus "Borrow" made from a self-replenishing pool). "Ownership" transfers to the buying b/d whose buy order needed this "Bailout". Section 17 A, the birth certificate of the DTC, mandates this "Transferrence of ownership". Meanwhile the lending b/d that lost "Ownership" but refuses to inform his client of the fact that he can no longer vote these shares theoretically due to "Anonymous pooling" is credited with a "Long position" in his DTCC "D" sub account. This even though these "Shares" are "Long gone" and now are "Owned" by somebody else. This is the moment in time where invester protection and market integrity fly out the window. All the lending b/d "Owns" is the right to demand the repayment of his loaned out shares but he'll never do this unless forced to because he receives the cash value of the shares loaned for his own usage and counting towards his own net capital reserves. This is not a "Long position" for "Shares" which are a "Package of rights". A readily sellable but extremely damaging (to the issuer and their shareholders) "Share entitlement" is then given birth to. The monthly brokerage statement of both the actual anonymous lender of the shares "Lender Larry" and the new "Buyer Bob" will both have similar entries in the "Shares held long" column. In 1981 the SEC approved the SBP and they knew that the SBP would create counterfeit representations of share "Ownership" or "Share entitlements" (as per UCC Article 8) but they ASSUMED that these debt positions would be ultra short-termed in nature i.e. "Legitimate" as per Addendum C to the rules and regs of the DTCC and that the DTCC management with a 17A Congressional Mandate to "Promptly and accurately SETTLE all trades" would be all over the ages, numbers and "Legitimacy" (short term nature) of these mere "Share entitlements" by effecting buy-ins of unaddressed FTDs of a certain age so that the damages to issuers would be insignificant. OOPS! dr. d
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By bobo on 8/29/2006 7:44 AM
Here's the short version:

CNS netting minimizes the true number of fails by a mindboggling amount. The fails never appear at the DTCC level until the CNS system is saturated.

Think about the ramifications of that. And then consider what is going on with the companies on Reg SHO. NFI. OSTK. How saturated did the system have to get before they landed on SHO, to remain for years?

How many fails are occuring in most stocks on the boards, with CNS hiding the fails via netting?
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By virakiller on 8/29/2006 8:05 AM
how many fails are hiding you ask ?

more like how many Gov't agencies are HIDING and talking about nonsense news instaed of addressing this bankrupting of our nation

also ,where is Adnon Khosshoggi ?
just can't find him, right ?
just like you can't find all that money in the off-shore ?

not to worry WE THE PEOPLE will find the money and when we do we will
run all you political "terrorists" out of town and country

it really is DISGRACEFUL what you are allowing to happen to this ONCE free
nation

Boston Tea Party anyone ?

TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
not for much longer
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By gregcable2002 on 8/29/2006 8:19 AM
Bobo,that might not be a bad idea,bumper stickers and tracts,maybe we could put together a simple to understand tract that we could flood the country with?
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By enraged and disenfranchised on 8/29/2006 10:30 AM


TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE SYSTEM. no oversite, no timely verification...ridiculous.
that is no fiduciary protection for my retirement savings in this kind of market system & settlements. all policy makers responsible for market investment controls must be held accountable...they must guarantee honesty of market transactions or put my retirement savings back into guaranteed returns just like many gubmint workers get . withold taxes til gubmint enforcement agencies perform functions we pay taxes for. next april 15...tax strike. let's see them put all their citizens in jail...
what a story that would be. may be the best lession for our children to learn about fighting for equal rights.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By American Investor on 8/29/2006 6:28 PM
Note to self - "Prime Broker A" is also on the BOD of the DTCC.

http://www.dtcc.com/AboutUs/board.htm

Make more sense now? $$$
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By bobo on 8/28/2006 7:36 AM
One of the things I am pushing for is an enforcement of 15C3(3) at the clearing house level. The DTCC needs to police the SBP lending pool, and ensure that its participants are not depositing cash or retirement shares to the SBP for loan. Currently there is no mechanism to police it - it's on the honor system.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By SteveM on 8/28/2006 7:58 AM
"Currently there is no mechanism to police it - it's on the honor system."

Bobo, there is no honor on Wall Street!
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By lenofus on 8/28/2006 8:19 AM
......which could explain GS buying some 1.8mm OSTK up in the twenties. Lend it out a bunch of time, "settle" trades vs. the position.....
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By golfwalt on 8/28/2006 8:23 AM
Bobo: I appreciate the work you and many others are doing to straighten out a system that allows too much counterfeiting, but I don’t know about your CNS angle.

Keeping in mind all I know about CNS is what you and Dr. Trimbath just explained,
I can see where the CNS is biased against stocks that are not held in large numbers by the prime brokers by allowing them to get on the SHO list more easily.

Otherwise, I don't see where the CNS hides fails. It seems to me it resolves fails by effectively loaning shares out of the prime broker account to whoever shorted them. I can't speak to the prime's record keeping, but it seems like it would be in their interest to carefully attribute fails to their own clients for the purpose of charging borrow fees.

What am I missing?
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By bobo on 8/28/2006 9:05 AM
Golf: CNS is netting, and you don't get the true FTDs reported. That's a problem. The CNS netting makes it look as though shares were delivered, but they weren't. They were merely offset by shares sitting held for someone else. That's not the same as delivery.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By lynetta32233 on 8/28/2006 9:06 AM
SteveM, you made what I thought was a very perceptive post on Bunny's previous blog, which I'm going to excerpt here, because it points out--in a way that hadn't hit me before--how pervasive and widespread the FTD problem in the U.S. markets is:

"It is quite likely that the shares trading in EVERY STOCK ISSUE are well above the number of shares issued. Why not? Look at the mechanisms in place for buying and selling stocks. I no longer have to call my broker to trade. I don't even have to have a broker. I just mail a check to an on-line brokerage firm and buy and sell shares using my computer.

Everyone I know is doing it. More people are in the market now than ever before.

Yet stock prices have not reflected increased buying pressure. The supply vs. demand mechanism is damaged as it pertains to share price. Why? Why has an increase in buyers of shares, people giving their savings to the brokerages in exchange for the finite ownership in corporations, not increased the price of shares?

Because there are people counterfeiting shares... flooding the market with IOUs. Every broker/dealer in the secondary market is creating shares. Every market maker is creating shares. The foreign exchanges are creating shares. There is no limit to the number of shares available."

Add to that the fact that in the past seven quarters, S&P 500 companies have spent $630 BILLION on stock buybacks, further reducing supply. Add to that the ever-increasing IRA contribution limits for baby boomers (shares which SHOULD be largely unavailable for loan/borrow). Add to that the torrents of money coming into the market like clockwork every month ever since ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act) was passed in 1974, setting up individual IRA's...followed in 1978 by IRS Code 401(k), setting up now-ubiquitous 401(k)s. And now followed by the Pension Reform Act of 2006, which will allow employers to AUTOMATICALLY enroll the millions of employees who haven't been participating in 401(k)s into "diversified stock plans".

With all that money pouring into less and less supply, it is, indeed, very curious how sluggishly the U.S. markets/indexes have performed -- in contrast to how well many foreign markets (many of which have stricter/more enforced market rules against failures to deliver and short selling in general) have performed.

In 2005, the average diversified stock fund returned 6.7%; bond investors gained under 1%; the average stock rose just 3%, according to market tracker Lipper. And that small slice of the country known as Wall Street paid its employees $21.5 BILLION just in BONUSES.

Looks pretty clear just who's profiting from all those counterfeit shares -- and it sure ain't Joe Sixpack.

Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By bobo on 8/28/2006 9:11 AM
Lynetta: That was my point about CNS netting. We know that over-voting happens in every issue. There's only a few ways that can happen. Given the way I've explained the CNS issue, can anyone not understand that something like a Microsoft could easily carry 10% of the IS as fails, and yet have it netted away so it never appears on any list?

That was my point. Wall Street has created the equivalent of the Federal Reserve system, but for privately issued securities entitlements, that are only backed by whatever amount of honor your broker has. That isn't the law, and it isn't right. Nobody gave the DTCC the right to allow its owner/brokers to be issuers of notes that act as a substitute for the genuine article, and in fact are represented as such.

It's a scam, and CNS hides the true level of the subterfuge.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By lynetta32233 on 8/28/2006 9:21 AM
Is it off limits to add something about CNS netting in NCANS' comment letter? It's certainly a major part of the problem.

Pecora has to be rolling over in his grave...
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By virakiller on 8/28/2006 9:45 AM
tic-toc-tic-toc

America needs it's people to act and THROW ALL THESE CRIMINAL repubs and
demos out of office
they are aiding and abetting the bankrupting of our country
WE ALL SEE THAT NOW by their silence
"give us liberty
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By virakiller on 8/28/2006 9:50 AM
and give them death by hanging

Anti Americanism by America's leaders ?

also "misdirection" of media stories is so OLD and TIRED

Call your repubs and demos and tell them to act on your behalf and not only
play interference for their friends

your life has meaning and purpose no matter how much these American "taliban"
abuse you
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By old duffer on 8/28/2006 10:01 AM
bobo,

"That was my point. Wall Street has created the equivalent of the Federal Reserve system,"

Did not Dr. DeCosta say the DTCC was connected to the FED?

If so then look at the fraud known as the FED. A private Corp. not a Federal Dept. as most Americans believe.



Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By bobo on 8/28/2006 10:05 AM
A very good friend of mine said to say it even more simply, so here's my stab at it:


CNS netting takes an 800 share failed delivery, and if the broker's account at the DTCC has 2000 shares in it, offsets the 800 fails with 800 of "someone else's long shares" , creating a 0 fails outcome outside of the netting system.

The DTCC only shows fails over and above all the netting. Thus, any fails shown on the DTCC list via FOIA data is AFTER ALL THE NETTING WASHES the vast majority of fails, using long shares held by the broker to offset - not deliver, offset from an accounting standpoint - the fails.

Imagine a sausage making machine, where in one end goes all the trades, and out the other end comes the number of fails.

In the machine, sales are matched against the total shares held by the broker. As long as the number of fails doesn't exceed that number, nothing comes out the other end. IF the fails exceed his total long shares held at the DTCC, THEN fails come out the end of the sausage machine, and are duly recorded by the SEC.

That's about as simple as I can make it.

Is it clear?
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By browntrout on 8/28/2006 10:16 AM
Bobo-No not clear. Are the failed sales being netted against any long or are they netted against shares that can be legally lent out? For example does the long position contain shares in IRA's etc that can't be lent but are used in this offset?
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By bobo on 8/28/2006 10:44 AM
From what I understand it is against the total long position held at the DTCC and credited to the broker's account. I'll ask Dr. Trimbath for confirmation.

Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By bobo on 8/28/2006 11:09 AM
Dr. Trimbath's response:

"Netting occurs against the “free account” at DTC. It’s up to the DTCC Participant to be sure that the shares in their free account are available for settlement. There are sub-accounts for pledged securities, etc. Again, DTCC emphasizes that it is the Participant’s responsibility to be sure the free is free."

So against whatever the broker pledges, on the "honor" system.

Nice, huh?
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By trying to get it on 8/28/2006 11:10 AM
if the broker allows their long position account to "offset" short shares, maybe thousands of them daily, then the net worth of these brokerage holdings must be diminished by the amount lent. so everyday lending should put a big dent in their holdings. these reduced holdings must be publicized so actual worth of these brokerages can be scrutinized.
still seems to me that share price is getting manipulated kinda like exec options grants were manipulated after the actual transaction which changes the profit or loss. the shorters can always make the trade cuz they know prime brokers can always cover their short.
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By virakiller on 8/28/2006 11:13 AM
time to DEFEND YOUR LIFE America
do you people believe in fair markets ?
of course you do
Why don't "they" follow the rules

my guess
-----------
1- Gov't [rep & dem] are on "payroll"
2- SEC makes it PAINFULLY easy for "connected" individuals to rob American investors
3- risk reward is what keeps them robbing our country
4- Steal 1 BILLION get $1.4 million fine
5- See Frank Quatronne and Richard Grasso all over the newspapers trying
to find sympathy ?
6- Buy something and not deliver is on EVERY LEVEL "illegal"

WHY DOES THIS CHARADE CONTINUE ?

do they really see us as that weak and cowardly ?
Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By lynetta32233 on 8/28/2006 11:16 AM
According to the DTCC website, the individual "participant" has to specifically tell the NSCC if it has shares on deposit at the DTC it wants deposited into the Fully Paid For (E) account.

Of course, the DTCC is quick to point out that "This results in the member not being credited the current market value of the securities position."

Now, if the "participant" chooses NOT to mention that it has any cash/retirement shares that should be segregated, then "The total current market value of the borrowed securities is credited in the participant's CNS account. These funds are available to the participant overnight...and allows members to invest the funds to earn interest overnight on the value received from the loans."

So that being the case....I'm sure that all the participants holding shares in cash/retirement accounts IMMEDIATELY let the NSCC know they want all those shaers segregated.

Yeah, right...

Re: Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) and Illusory FTD Reporting By virakiller on 8/28/2006 11:22 AM
we need more action and more help from our elected officials !!!!!!

as Lynetta says "Yeah,right...."

we need ALL OF AMERICA to come together as one to stop this BANKRUPTING
of our nation

makes calls now

thank you
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