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Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game

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Posted by:   bobo 7/13/2006 8:17 AM

Naked shorting, stock loans, and how you can fight back

By Craig Cunningham

 

Naked Shorting

Ok, by now it should be painfully obvious that naked shorting is a problem that the government is absolutely, positively, not going to do anything about. The government is simply not concerned with your money or wellbeing and is firmly committed to not doing anything to protect you. If you get ripped off by a crooked broker or hedge fund, then that is just too darned bad.

Want proof the government doesn’t care? Take a look at REFCO. Look at Novastar or Overstock, millions of FTD shares between them, and where, oh where, is the SEC? They are probably out to lunch, as usual, or perhaps they’ve gone fishing after a hard day of wrist slapping. Reg SHO has been on the books for a year and a half with no discernable impact; although for laws to be effective, you generally need someone to enforce them.

Want to write your congressman? Go ahead, they won’t do anything.  You’ll probably get some generic form letter about this great “new” law called Reg SHO that the SEC has created to combat the exact problem you are writing about. See how hard your government works for you!

Try the SEC. All you’ll get is a “duly noted” response. If you should dare to ask them about why NFI has been on the list for 300+ days or why there haven’t been any investigations, you’ll get the standard “we don’t comment on current investigations.” This is especially disingenuous, since there are no active investigations into Reg SHO going on right now.

The SEC is so worthless, that I’m certain you’ll see President George Bush will sit down and have dinner with Kim Jong Il and Osama Bin Ladin before the agency decides to take any action on Reg SHO and prosecute their future employers. It just isn’t going to happen. 

So, what’s a person to do?

Well, once again, as so many other times in history, it is incumbent on ordinary folks like you and me to fight back against the morally bankrupt and professionally inept. You saw it start with folks like Bob O’ Brien with the NFI-INFO.net site. He was joined by Mary Helburn later and started up NCANS. Patrick Byrne fired off a major volley with his lawsuit against David Rocker and Gradient for unfair business practices. Now, you have Novastar investors suing as well. They aren’t alone. There are the David Patch’s, the Bud Burrell’s, and many, many others. The shouts of outrage grow louder and louder.

Now, I understand that not everyone is capable or willing to sue or have their name in the paper, but here is something you, yes YOU reading this, can do, right now.

 

Stock secured loans

Stock lending is a new frontier to many investors. For many years, brokers have typically lent out your shares to hedge funds and institutional type investors. Now, stock lending is available to ordinary investors. Novastar investors, check your “payment-in-lieu” vs. a regular dividend on your quarterly statement to see how many of your “shares” are really IOUs.

Stock lending is a fabulously profitable endeavor for brokers. The message board on Novastar was buzzing about the Schwab program that was offering a fat 9% kicker, which has been reduced to 5% if you want to hand over your shares. Now, I was no math major, but you have to figure if the brokers are willing to pay 9% to borrow shares, someone else is willing to pay at least that much and probably quite a bit more. Outside of that, brokers generally have the green light to lend your shares out at a profit if you carry a margin balance.

This activity generally is done to aid the shorts who want to drive the stock price lower. Some shareholders have decried the practice of lending shares out in the Schwab program, since it ultimately helps the shorts.

Well, it doesn’t have to be that way.

There are many ways to beat the system and put the screws to the crooked brokers and hedge funds that have your assets marked for destruction. If you are familiar with my other work on using credit cards or home equity lines to invest, to eliminate the risk of margin calls, you’ll know where I am heading with this.

Stock secured loans are the ticket: flip your broker the bird and lend out your own stock.

Stock secured loans are NOT margin. Margin is limited to 50% of the market value, and is offered by brokers. Stock loans are offered by banks and credit unions. The loan-to-values I’ve seen offered range from 60-85% of the underlying value. The interest rates are fairly competitive in relation to margin. Generally they vary, but I have seen fixed rates top out at 8.5%. Margin rates are generally tied to some sort of index, plus a margin, and are largely above 10% across the board, unless you are carrying a mid-6-figure debt load or more.

The benefits don’t stop there. As stated, margin loans allow for your friendly broker to lend out your shares to the shorts. With stock secured loans, you typically have to obtain the stock certificates to complete the deal. This is the first step to fight back, since it reduces the pool of shares available to the shorts. When fewer shares are available to borrow, it means less shorting activity, or having to pay more to do it.

Margin calls are also the risk you have to run when dealing with traditional margin loans. You eliminate the risk of margin calls when you use other forms of debt to invest such as term loans, home equity lines, or credit cards with cherry low or no interest rates. While the risk is not eliminated with stock secured loans, it is substantially less than traditional margin.

If the stock value drops below the loan balance, you will at some point have to pony up the difference between the loan balance and the stock value, according to the terms of the loan, which varies from lender to lender. I’ve seen figures suggesting you’ll get a call if your stock values fall below 95% of the loan balance. Keep in mind, there probably aren’t people watching the intraday values as you have with regular margin, so there probably is a larger window of time to act. Further, since the loans generally are amortizing (there are interest only options from some companies) over time, you’ll repay the loans and have a greater cushion against a downturn in the market each month, as opposed to margin, which just racks up interest charges each month.

 

How to fight back

I know what you are thinking: Ok, I’ve got this stock loan, but where is the payoff?

Well, you limit the ability of the shorts to short more stock, since you took your shares in certificate form. You can complete the 1-2 punch by adding some buying pressure. Now, you can’t directly buy more stock with 100% of your loan proceeds. In this regard, it is similar to margin, as you can’t directly buy marginable securities with more than 50% of the underlying collateral’s value.

Presumably, you could buy stocks with 50% and put the rest in a CD or high-yield money market account. If you used the basic strategy of using credit cards or lines of credit to fund your initial stock purchase, you can simply use the loan proceeds to repay the original loan and you are free to double down and buy more shares at your leisure.

For example, take one of the most shorted companies out there: Novastar. Disclaimer: I own it, and I have a financial interest in the stock price going up via a short squeeze or other buying pressure.

Say you own 4,000 shares of NFI worth about $120,000, and you want to do your part and put the hurt on any hedge funds or brokers that might be flouting the rules - and make a profit while doing so. Well, you could give your shares to Schwab for a 5% payoff, but you can certainly do better than that.

You could go to a bank like Digital credit union, Chase, Patelco, or any other financial institution that does stock secured loans, get 70% LTV for $84,000, and stick $24,000 in a CD or high yield savings and make 5-6% on your money, and the other $60,000 (50% of $120,000) and buy some more Novastar or other high yield security. I can easily think of a dozen to choose from in the Canadian oil/gas royalty trust sector or tanker stocks.

Assuming you gave your funds to Schwab, you’d be looking at an extra $6,000 a year roughly. Your new Novastar shares will pay roughly $10,200 every year, and the CD assuming a 5% yield, an extra $1200 or a total of $11,400. Your original NFI dividends can more than cover the loan payments, and given the shorter terms of stock loans, the majority of your payments are principal, so you aren’t paying much in interest. In this scenario, the interest payments start out at $132 per month, assuming a 7.2% rate. Subtract out the interest paid, and you should still be ahead of the current Schwab program by about $3800.

In closing, using borrowed funds to invest is not for everyone. If you are 25 with many happy years of investing ahead of you, you can afford to take shots like this. If you are 65, retired, and living off the dividends, this may not be the best move to make. If you are considering lending your shares out, I suggest you consider this alternative.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Comments (27)
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By mhatmccane on 7/13/2006 8:48 AM
Good to hear from Craig again. I still have his Motley Fool piece titled "Novastar's Wild Ride" from May 4, 2004. As fair a piece of journalism as possible, and later disclaimed by Tom Gardiner. Pity that the Motley Fool turned into such a trash heap.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By Henderson on 7/13/2006 9:05 AM
What a nutty idea, and your actually telling people to do this?

Amazing.

Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By Cedar on 9/14/2006 10:04 AM
How about Non-Recourse Stock Loans?

First, let me start by saying it is great to read your ideas about combatting shorts. Alternative investing strategies have become more mainstream because risk aversion instruments are becoming more readily available. Now that you have pointed out the capabilities of stock loans, I would like to ask you to tell us (after you have carefully researched), the possibilities that encompass "Non-Recourse" Stock Loans.

The kicker in this form of financing, is that you never "have" to return the securities. I'm slowly learning more and more about this funding vehicle, and I'd like your thoughts about the subject on whether there is any favorable impact in the fight against shorts.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By bobo on 7/13/2006 9:44 AM
How is this nuttier than allowing your broker to lend out your shares from a margin account, with no compensation for your asset's use? Help me understand. It seems like Craig has a mechanism wherein your shares aren't available for loan by Wall Street, and yet you still get to use leverage like in a margin loan. Other than that it is "nutty", as in bad for Wall Street, what is the objection?
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By teacheric on 7/13/2006 9:50 AM
Great ideas. I have used my home equity line of credit(just increased to 110,000), along with some 0% credit cards to puchase a lot of shares and stay off margin. Days like today are the reason why my line of credit has been increased. Generally, use my line of credit and then apply for a credit card at 0% and do a balance transfer. Good for only a year until i transfer again. If i can't i just put it back on the line of credit where I still make out quite well.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By Ericvan on 7/13/2006 10:04 AM
Craig,
we meet you at the NFI AM. You are a most impressiv person. Aim to run for president. We will vote for you. Do not get corrupted on your way there. Everyone at the AM was very taken by you! Best regards.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By Little Bo peep on 7/13/2006 10:10 AM
If the cartoon characters do NOT become animated soon and force the naked shorts to cover. Do their JOBS. Main street American is about to panic.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By Henderson on 7/13/2006 10:13 AM
Easy question Bob,

Are you going to do it?

Since you are a self admited Veteran Investor that admitted yesterday to losing millions oin the market do to naked short selling I was wondering if you where planning to take this advice?

Henderson
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By sealman on 7/13/2006 10:23 AM
I agree with Craig's approach and used a home equity line to aquire another 4k shares. The thing I like about the HEL is that it is int. only at prime less 0.5% and fully tax deductable.
BUT WAIT!
YOU MUST PULL YOUR CERTS FIRST.
Just pulling your certificates is absolutely imperative
PULL YOUR CERTS NOW
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By nopullnoshow on 7/13/2006 11:11 AM
Not long ago I had the pleasure of having dinner with Craig. He's rock solid, knows his stuff, and will soon be the millionaire reflected in his Yahoo ID. This country can certainly use more citizens of his integrity and character.
We need some contact information By tommytoyz on 7/13/2006 11:13 AM
We need some tel numbers for banks and other institutions that do these types of deals.

If we pull the certs, who holds them? The bank?

In general, I'm in agreement with this type of arrangement. If the brokers are the problem and playing funny with our shares - take them away from them!!

Craig's method seems to solve the problem that margin account holders have with not being able to pull the certs from their brokers.

Now we need to find a low interest rate provider. Perhaps if we negotiate as a group, we can get the best deal and lowest rate. Bobo need to take the lead here and represent all NFI shareholders who are interested to the lenders.

I'm in the mortgage business and I know that you can always negotiate a deal.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By ckza on 7/13/2006 11:15 AM
A Better Solution, and Far Less Risky Than Creating More "Debt" Against Rogue Traders Doing RISKLESS transactions.

Here it is:


Why doesn't The Coalition contact the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which is now the benefactor for the majority of Warren Buffett's money too, and PROPOSE a plan inclusive of ALL the remedies articulated by the "experts" here on this board, inclusive of ultimately replacing SEC officials, as well as electing the "right" politicians who will support transparency, honor, integrity, and proper accounting in our U.S. Financial System?

What more noble cause might there be for ensuring the financial well being of future American and world generations with Bill etal's benevolent funds?

I would be surprised if MSFT hasn't been getting attacked by these miscreants as well.

Bobo, I recommend that you put on the Bunny suit and submit this plan.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By dogman on 7/13/2006 11:15 AM
Here's a simpler way to screw shorty. Sell any shares of NFI which you have in your marginable accounts and repurchase those in your IRA. It makes far more sense to hold NFI shares in your IRA since the yield is not qualified. I know that not everyone can do this, but most people could. If you have shares of X in an IRA (or some mutual fund) and simply do a swap sale where you sell the X's from your IRA to your marginable account and next sell your NFI from your marginable account to your IRA. Almost everyone can do this to some extent. The cost is something like $10 a trade - $40 in total for up to 5,000 shares for most brokers. And, you will easilly save that much in taxes since the dividend received in your IRA is tax free until you withdraw the money. If you have any NFI shares in a marginable account and if you also have shares from any mutual funds or other stocks in your IRA you should consider this to be a sensible thing to do....
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By Little Bo peep on 7/13/2006 11:52 AM
Bunny,
Some of the rotten eggs are breaking.
Is it my EARS or is this MUSIC getting LOUDER?
I found my sheep and they all are wearing ear plugs too.



Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By bphaere on 7/13/2006 12:04 PM

dogman - you might want to do more reading. Please let me know how shares in my Roth IRA are represented @ my broker and @ the DTCC - and how each of them prevents my shares from being loaned. Thanks.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By bobo on 7/14/2006 9:44 AM
Henderson: Easy. I will be contacting several banks and CU's to investigate this. I see no downside, and you have articulated none. I presume you don't have any downside you are capable of formulating when comparing this to margin borrowing. Given that you have been given the opportunity to articulate a problem and couldn't, preferring to ask me what I would do, I believe I am safe in my take on your objections.

This is bad for Wall Street and brokers. Good for banks and shareholders.

Did I miss anything? Before you respond, take your time in articulating precisely what the objections are.

I believe you are an empty suit. Prove that to be incorrect.
Oh, and one thing I can do is spell simple words like were correctly. There is that.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By Craig Cunningham on 7/13/2006 6:36 PM
Thanks for the responses and kind words, everyone.

Henderson, what is so nutty about it? Why wouldn’t you do it if you could borrow at a historically low rate and reinvest in a dividend paying stock at a much higher rate?

Tommy,
Yes, the certs go to the bank. They stick them in the vault or somewhere safe. For this reason, I have my doubts as to the risk of having your shares forcibly sold out from under you. If there is some intraday swoon, they couldn’t do much with the certs if they wanted to. It takes time to get them deposited with some brokerage, and sold.

From what I can tell, the banks are far, far, far more worried with you simply repaying the loan on schedule, than a Reg T requirement, but that is probably because, as far as I have read, Reg T doesn’t apply to banks. One bank told me they check the market value percentage on like a monthly basis.

This view is more in line with my approach to NFI. The stock price can be manipulated up, down, or sideways. As long as the dividends keep getting paid, I am happy, and my bank is happy.

I think that DCU might be the best bet. They are reasonably flexible, as in the 250k max is more of a guideline than a rule. They allow you to speak with underwriters, and are generally straightforward with you. Everyone can join by simply joining one of their sponsoring organizations.

CKZA,

I think the downside to just putting your shares in an IRA is that in the best case scenario, you merely restrict shorty’s ability to get more shares. You don’t add any buying pressure. You sell 100 shares and buy back 100 shares. In my example, you buy 100, then buy 80, and potentially could keep doing this as long as the underwriters are happy. Not only are you fighting the shorts, but you are profiting as well.

Sealman,
I like the HELOC option for funding as well. Aside from it being a low cost option, you can take those share you bought with the HELOC, get them in certificate form, get a stock loan, and repay the HELOC. Then the next day, you can draw on the HELOC and repeat the process again.

Overall,

I’ll borrow at 7% or so to reinvest at 17% all day long. That’s a 1000 BP spread, which is just wonderful. As noted, they just had another solid quarter where the WAC is rising, spreads are expanding a bit, and competitors are exiting the market.

I think we are in a unique time with respect to NFI and the macro environment. This is sort of the perfect storm of super low interest rates on borrowing, and a high yield investment to put it in. This sort of reminds me of when Yahoo was trading at 1000x earnings during the tech boom, and I just shook my head looking at it. Here you have just about the exact opposite with a single digit P/E stock with a double digit yield that the market is largely overlooking. As history has clearly shown, market irrationality can certainly persist for some time, and I think we are on the opposite end of the spectrum. I am assuming at some point the market will realize their mispricing error.

But what if they don’t? What if the market never recognizes what a great deal NFI is? Well, I would rather collect the next 3 years worth of dividends today in the form of a loan and buy more shares. I’ll double up my portfolio every 3 years or so (approximate time to repay the loan), which should put me close to my “1M by 30” goal.

The macro lending environment is VERY competitive.
Credit cards are so ubiquitous that everyone has literally like 8 different cards and to drum up new business or get some usage out of them businesses are forced to offer free or heavily discounted money. Well, sign me up.

You can get low or no interest financing for up to 15 months with some lenders. Chase gave a buddy of mine a 15k limit card at 0% with no transaction fees for cash advances or balance transfers. USAA offered me a 5.5% for life balance transfer. Pentagon FCU has a 5.5% balance transfer on their VISA, which is up from 4.9% for life. Their top limit for the VISA gold is 30k. Bank of America gave me two 10k cards at 1.99% and a 15k business card at 0% for a year. It is kinda funny, I’ve actually heard of people that use credit cards to buy thing like cars, pizza, beer, movie tickets, etc…instead of investing with the low interest cash.

It isn’t very hard at all to rack up 100k+ in low or no interest debt. My average rate is like 6% ish for my total borrowings. Knock off another 1.2% (assuming 20% tax bracket) or so for the interest deduction and you are sitting at a cost of 4.8% or so? If you can find me a better deal than that, please tell me where.

That said, margin does have a place. If there is another intra day drop like when NFI delayed earnings or something, I’ll be right there again to snap up the shares on margin, and then pay it off with a line of credit or something a few days later. I do not fancy the idea of staying on margin for an extended period of time.

It is funny. This reminds me of an old joke they told us in Economics class. “Two economists are walking down the street, and they see a dollar. One starts to bend over to pick it up and the other says “don’t bother, it is a $3 bill, it’s a counterfeit.” The other replies back “how do you know that?” The first replies “if it were real, someone would have picked it up by now”

Everyone in the academic world talks about efficient markets and how gross over/under valuations can’t happen or stay that way for long, and then in real life it happens all the time and persists for years. In general, people are quick to dismiss a stock paying a 17% dividend and say something is wrong with it, without even bending over to look at the dollar laying on the ground. On a related note, take a look at CANROY’s or tanker stocks. Many tankers are paying over 15% and some CANROY’s are in the 10-14% range paid in Canadian dollars. You see oil one hiccup away from $80/barrel, and what happens today? The entire industry sells off. I don’t understand it, but I am certainly going to profit from it.

Some people recoil in horror at the idea of investing with a low interest loan. People are paying a heckuva lot more to invest in real estate, but that is “different” because it is a fixed asset. For whatever reason, real estate investors have this “cool factor” appeal. As an experienced real estate investor, I can say with certainty that it is less cool than it appears.

Tommy and Bob, we should all put our heads together and come up with a preferred list of lenders. I am going to put together a little cheat sheet of lenders, low rate credit cards, etc…I also have an excel spreadsheet I think might be helpful for some to visualize the concept.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By Little Bo peep on 7/14/2006 6:31 AM
Good Morning! Get those "tin foil hats" shined up.

I understand the concept. However, it is my opinion that if there are no more honest people in our government to step up and make examples of the fraud.
We should just bury the money in the yard. Remember when people did that?
I mean honest hard working people that were afraid. Not the ones that steal it and put it in the freezer. I remain optimistic. Because I do not think our country is ready for the other option.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By bobo on 7/14/2006 8:11 AM
Henderson: You have given no reasoning as to why this is a bad idea - none. You simply spew venom. Your presence here is obviously to annoy or disrupt. Not going to work.

As to my acumen as an investor, I never said whether I was net up or down. You have to have made millions to have lost them, and frankly, while it is none of your business, you might want to ask yourself whether, if you start out with $5, make $15, and then lose $10, you are net up or net down.

Your posts from here on out will be deleted. Having been given an opportunity to explain specifically what is flawed in Craig's approach, and having failed to do it, you have worn out your posting privilege.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By ckza on 7/15/2006 12:48 PM
Craig:

In your recent response, I believe you had mixed me up with Dogman on the IRA comment.

I don't doubt that your strategy is not without merit based upon the right invidividual with the right risk tolerance levels, etc. I was concerned that if the game is RIGGED to the extent that powerful forces are on a Jihad to decimate and destroy company X, Y or Z, then nothing a legitimate investor can do will deter or beat them at their game. They CONTROL the ball, until the RULES are ADHERED to.

Moreover, I'm not knowledgeable about NFI, except for surface knowledge that they originate "non conforming" home mortgages in the real estate sector.

Well, to further that point, if they haven't been able to appreciate in the greatest real estate boom that this nation has ever known, then how will they be better off during an inevitable bust?

As you know, "DIVIDENDS" are not guaranteed, and would be eliminated quickly if business conditions, specifically cash flow turned wry.

I once had a bad experience in that sector with a fellar by the name of, Steven Gluckenstern, during and after he bought Aames Financial which was a horrific investment for us.

They even tried turning their shell into a REIT to suck out more capital for themselves, but had to revert back to its original "sub-prime lending" form after that plan failed. Their symbol is AIC today, and I would describe them as dog of all dogs. After all, why should they be anything else with Glluckenstern describing his customer base as "ONE paycheck away from bankruptsy", and representative of a great deal of his countrymen today.

It's always good to examine all options including "stock secured loans" which you have introduced though. I may utilize that strategy one day, but for now I am content with a non margin account, and cash only transactions that ensure my securities aren't being loaned-no margin agreement- and that there won't be any MIX ups when all HELL breaks loose.

Good luck, or should I say, good skill at investing!


Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By Little Bo peep on 7/15/2006 12:49 PM
All we want is for the system of fraud to be Fixed and fair justice. Nobody is perfect. Those of you out there working your ASSES off to get to the bottom of all this shit. Know that it is appreciated for the SAKE of ALL Americans.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/060714/financial_shpigelman.html?.v=2
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By Niel Storts on 7/15/2006 12:50 PM
Bob. As soon as you can put together a few banks willing to do this. Let us know. OK. Odd how we always shunt off the work on you. Isn't it.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By Henderson on 7/15/2006 12:52 PM
The reason its a bad idea is Cunningham does not know what he is talking about.

1.Interest rates are not at Historic lows.

2. Borrowing money from the equity of your home is a nutty idea. Cunningham says NFI not a very risky stock. If anyone did what Cunningham suggests when NFI was $72 would be kicking themselves in the head.

3. Mortgage Rates most likely going higher.

4. Mortgage origionations have been steadily declining.

5.Housing prices are starting to fall.

6.The interest on a home equty loan ay not be tax deductable if used to buy stock

7.Lets not forget if you utilize 100% of a zero % credit card your fico score would plunge. Credit card companies can raise your interest rates, CXL your card if your fico score drops. It can also hurt you if you want to refinance your mortgage. NFI might not possibly even be able to refinance your mortgage because of your stupidity.





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Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By captspell on 7/15/2006 12:50 PM
Bobo - I am so tired of writing letters and getting the same ole "thank you for your letter, we are always interested in hearing about your concerns" blah blah blah. How much does a class action suit cost anyway ? I'm willing to pitch in my fair share to get it done. Can we not sue these bastards directly,in whatever organization they are in, by name, that know the details of the problem but refuse to enforce the law ? Can we not sue the states dept. of securities regulation and enforcement directly for not putting a stop to NSS/FTD like Utah did ? I'm talking about those in a position to fix it that know the details and they just flat won't fix it. Because they don't want to and nobody is forceing them to. I think Burrell suggested suits from all over would do it. Your comments ?
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By bobo on 7/15/2006 1:02 PM
I made an exception and published Henderson's latest - in order to demonstrate his lack of real objections to Craig's strategy. First, Henderson doesn't seem to understand that the strategy is an alternative to margin borrowing. It is not a recommendation to borrow. Second, Henderson doesn't seem to understand that Craig described his investment approach in NFI as an example, not as a recommendation.

In terms of the flaws in his reasoning over NFI, they are many. First, he misstates that NFI was ever at $72. It never was. Second, he claims originations are falling. He seems to have missed that NFI's originations are growing, with June being over $1 billion - a record June. He doesn't seem to register that NFI's profits have been growing even as rates have moved up over the last 2 years. He doesn't understand much about how the company works, and isn't even sure whether there is a tax issue on use of a home line of credit (there isn't).

In short, he has no reason that Craig's approach isn't a viable alternative to using margin borrowing. I suspect the truth is that he is somehow involved with Wall Street, and that using Craig's approach would radically diminish Wall Street's ability to make money from your assets.

Henderson, if you read this, don't bother responding, as all further posts will be deleted automatically. I won't have this blog turned into a yahoo-style bashing forum where miscreants can sling feces and disrupt the dialog. It isn't going to work.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By Craig Cunningham on 7/16/2006 12:33 AM
Just a quick retort:

1. I don't ever recall 0% credit card offers being the norm. Historical norms for mortgage rates are north of 6%.

2. Actually, if anyone did the home equity line deal, they would have collected $13+ in dividends. Given some of the receant price dips, they could have averaged down aggressively. I'll admit, buying then would not have been fun, but on the other hand you wouldn't have been forced out of your shares with a margin call, either.

3. Subprime borrowers are generally non-responsive to interest rate hikes, as NFI's originations clearly suggest. Either way, the rising rates factor doesn't really have much to do as far as affecting NFI. Perhaps more refi activity as CC payments rise.

4. Not sure which company's originations you are looking at...

5. Housing prices NEED to fall in some areas. It hasn't happened nationwide, and probably won't. (Miami and San Diego spring to mind)

6. Investment interest is a deductible expense, period.

7. 100% utilization may or may not cause your FICO to plunge. It depends greatly on how much available credit you have. If you max 1 card and have 10 other huge limit cards, it won't matter. If you have 1 card and max it, then yeah you are going to take a hit. Get some more accounts open.

Don't patronize companies that engage in universal default (MBNA, CITI, Chase). There are TONS of smaller lenders and credit unions that value your business.

I think NFI would love to lend someone in that situation money, btw. Cash out refi's are their bread/butter.
Re: Guest Blog By Craig Cunningham - On Beating Wall Street At The Stock Lending Game By Seen this news? Unbelievalbe. on 8/1/2006 9:33 AM
Wall Street Sues Utah Over Naked Short-Selling Law

Portfolio Media, New York (July 31, 2006)--A month after Utah legislators paved the way for hefty fines against so-called naked short-sellers with a new law, Wall Street’s prime trade association is suing the state government, saying the law illegally usurps the jurisdiction of federal regulators.

The lawsuit, filed on Friday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of Utah, seeks to overturn Utah Senate Bill 3004, which was signed into law earlier this year amid strong opposition from the Washington, D.C.-based...

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