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A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing

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Posted by:   bobo 7/12/2006 4:17 AM

The SEC was created in 1934, after Ferdinand Pecora held hundreds of days of Congressional hearings  - which proved conclusively that Wall Street had been robbing America blind, and was composed of some of the most sociopathic miscreants ever imagined; a snake pit of larcenous crooks and flim-flam men for whom no act was too base or vile.

The SEC was chartered with policing these thieves, who had just admitted to a catalog of misdeeds that would make the most debauched dictator or demagogue blush.

Fast forward to 2006, where the SEC's job is now to protect the thieves from any harm or scrutiny, and to coddle them at all costs. Essentially to make their business as profitable and easy as possible, with only token lip-service paid to investor protection - it's Wall Street that gets protected now, not America.

Sound insane? Follow along.

I listened with rapt attention to the SEC hearing on the proposed amendments to Reg SHO.

First, there was a lot of self-congratulatory back-slapping as to how refreshing it is that after a year and a half of monitoring SHO, that the SEC has got some proposed rule changes, specifically to the grandfathering clause, and to the market-maker exemption.

Given that the last comment period for SHO resulted in thousands of erudite, on-point warnings that there would have to be a borrow prior to a sale, and almost universal agreement that there had to be transparency in the system, as well as meaningful penalties, and given that the SEC chose to completely disregard those, and instead grandfathered in all prior fails while creating countless exceptions to any borrow (via sleight of hand like “locate” language), I guess you could say I am not exactly overwhelmed.

I heard the SEC say that they were dedicated to protecting investors, but also admit point blank that the reason they grandfathered was to avoid short squeezes – again, indicating clearly that protecting Wall Street miscreants who had abusively failed to deliver was a priority over protecting shareholders and issuers who had been victimized by the process – you wouldn’t want those miscreants to have to buy in their undelivered sales, now would you – causing a market-delivered penalty for selling what they never had?  Tut tut, we can’t have the market punishing larcenous participants financially – better to shield them from the ONLY disincentive that exists for their behavior, and allow them to profit from their illegitimate acts.

That's your regulator hard at work.

And now, after 18 months of allowing those that failed to deliver the chance to cover at depressed prices, the SEC is considering doing away with grandfathering, and implementing a reasonable closeout requirement for market makers.

How nice.

By the time the comment period is over, and the rules are adopted, those who fail to deliver as a trading strategy will have had two full years to abuse shareholders, depress prices, and use investor money for shares they never delivered, and continually REFUSE to deliver – by which time, almost all shareholders in the damaged issues have probably sold their stock in disgust, and moved on. The good news for those who failed is they can cover the fails at low costs, benefiting from their abusive and illegal practice, with no fear that the market would punish them – or anyone else would, for that matter. They were protected from the natural market consequence of violating the rules – the SEC grandfathering insured that.

Now, the grandfathering provision having done its important work, the SEC will look at repealing it.

These are the cops? They turned a blind eye to flagrant robbery of investors, they gave the miscreants a hall pass, they propose to continue doing so for another half a year or so, and congratulate each other for all the hard work, well done?

If I sound a little flabbergasted, it’s genuine.

Particularly disturbing was the sentiment that the SEC should be carefully protecting the market makers from any fairness in the markets that not having a carte blanche exemption might bring. As if business risk while making billions from options market making is unacceptable. Have any of these people ever had a real job in the private sector? Did I miss where those whose job is to speculate in the secondary market, for massive profit, are some sort of protected species who require special exemptions from rules the rest of us must follow? Huh? WTF?

Through all this, one thing that came through loud and clear, aside from the smarmy, bureaucratic smugness of the speakers, was the continued insistence that this is a small problem, that the SEC is doing a stand-up job, and that ensuring that the participants have maximum leeway to deliver “liquidity” is the overarching priority.

What wasn’t articulated were some simple, obvious requirements for a fair market system:

1)     Transparency.

2)     Timely reporting.

3)     Mandatory borrow prior to sale.

4)     Compliance with Congressional mandate to settle promptly.

5)     Meaningful penalties for violation of the rules.

Isn’t that a little weird? Because we already have rules that dictate prompt settlement of trades – Congress recognized in 1934 that allowing trades to go undelivered was a recipe for disaster.

So why have we had to wait two years, in addition to the 71 years since the creation of the SEC, for that body to cobble together yet more rules that still fail to meaningfully require prompt delivery?

Am I on the crazy bus here?

Congress: "Deliver the F#cking shares promptly."

SEC: "We are all doing a great job. Billions of dollars of shares don’t get delivered promptly. Our rule created 80-something exemptions from delivering shares promptly. We pardoned all who didn’t deliver from any pain or damage for violating that 71 year old mandate. And shares still aren’t getting delivered promptly. Let’s have a big hand for us!"

Are we in OZ now?

Of note is that none of these august personages asked the single question that matters:

“What happens, if these new amendments are passed, if a participant decides not to comply?”

Right now, basically nothing happens. There is no meaningful penalty.

There also is no transparency, or timely reporting, or effort to report information in concrete, comprehensible fashion. Or ironclad requirement to deliver anything but excuses.

But worst of all, there are no consequences of note for failure to obey the rules.

Guess what? For years, the speed limit on the freeway was 55. Average speed was 70. I almost never saw a traffic cop, and when I did, he had busted someone who had been doing 90.

There was simply no reason to drive 55. So nobody did. The new feeling was that you didn’t want to go much over 70 or so, or you might run a risk. That feeling was accurate.

We have a securities rule (to clamp down on taking investor money, and failing to deliver the product), which both lacks meaningful requirements that the seller have shares to sell, as well as any meaningful penalties for refusing to deliver the shares to the buyer.

Does anyone wonder why participants could sort of care less about it? Is it lost on the talking heads in Washington that the “solution” they are congratulating themselves on is nothing more than correcting a massive blow to investors – the pardoning of years of failing to deliver, apparently for at least two full years – while still keeping the same structural deficiencies intact?

I will write up comments for the commission, along with the suggested cures, but I fully expect they will be ignored.

They ignored the NASD, NASAA, academics, experts, etc. last time. Why would we believe that this time would be any different?

The imperative from the SEC’s perspective was clear – repeat over and over how SHO has “worked”, congratulate one and all on a job well done, and propose some amendments that, absent real penalties, will amount to nothing.

But the good news is we will get another bureaucratic group grope - a "round table" - to assess how difficult it would be for the industry making tens of billions per year, to actually comply with 17A - deliver the shares promptly.

How nice.

And at the close, we were treated to Commissioner Nazareth, who indicated that they were open to understanding industry practices in the area of failing to deliver.

Again, how nice. Isn't that her job?

So much for the business of protecting investors.

So much for Congressional mandates.

So much for our market system.

Any questions?

Copyright ©2006 Bob O'Brien
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Comments (64)
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By MarionPolk on 7/12/2006 8:54 AM
The SEC unanimously voted to propose the Reg.SHO change, which does NOTHING to limit the time or duration of share counterfeiting by options market-makers.

Options market-makers will now have a monopoly on the right to manufacture an unlimited number of shares, for an unlimited time, at a guaranteed profit. As these "manufactured" shares become "long" shares when held by Big Dumb Short, Big Dumb Short can dump them at any time to crash the market price of a security.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By KirbyJf on 7/12/2006 8:59 AM
Its better than nothing
SEC Commissioner Appointment By smuopr8r on 7/12/2006 11:25 AM
Answered my own question:

There is hereby established a Securities and Exchange Commission (hereinafter referred to as the "Commission") to be composed of five commissioners to be appointed by the President by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.


So, if one is leaving, doesn't another need to be appointed? I'm thinking Sen. Hatch and Specter may want to include this on their agenda. I have no idea who can be recommended that is sympathetic to the cause, but I'm sure there's someone Hatch and Specter can "advise" the President of?
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By old duffer on 7/12/2006 11:26 AM
Criminals...they are nothing but criminals.

They do Joe Kennedy proud....they can join him in hell as well!
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By Patchie on 7/12/2006 11:35 AM
The person to replace Glassman is Kathleen Casey. She was teh top aide for Senator Shelby in the Banking committee and who received the first Aguirre memo (42 pages of sworn testimony & 46 exhibits) in March.

Notice how the Banking committee and Shelby acted swiftly to that memo - now 4 months ago. I will put money they were hedging that Aguirre would never resend it to others.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By Wonder Boy on 7/12/2006 11:39 AM
It seems that WE have a problem----and not just one concerning the 'fail to deliver' situation. WE, as citizens, no longer have a voice nor a vote in what goes on inside the beltway----those folks only listen to the big dollar supporters!

The time I have spent writing letters is gigantic and in return, I get some stupid, boilerplate reply from a staff member who is only interested in screwing the newest intern. I get to vote every so often, but I CAN'T vote out Shelby because I don't live in Alabama. There is no way I can remove Cox.

I would love to sue the SEC, but I don't have the money. The obvious solution is to 'pick up my marbles and go home', but that plays directly into the hands of Wall Street. As more and more 'boomers' pull their money from the markets, Wall Street will become recognized as the crooks they are. Unfortunately, as they expand into other countries, they have new 'targets'. As the 'new targets' recognize the failures of the U.S. system, we all become targets of hostilities.

What's the solution? Did WE put too much trust into our 'representatives'? Perhaps the form of government needs to be changed? That is a BIG question!
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By Mississipibluffs on 7/12/2006 11:42 AM
Consider Patrick J. Fitzgerald to fill the vacant seat. Sterling resume, in depth experience, knows his way through political brambles.

And the SEC really does need sound legal advice.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By short seller on 7/12/2006 11:55 AM
n-terested
I ve been out how can you listen to the hearing?
STOCKGATE - Robbery of the American Public By Seaya on 7/12/2006 12:07 PM
And they sent Martha Stewart to jail? What about Chairman Cox? And Senators Chuck Schumer and Richard Shelby? They have failed in their duties and have enabled this problem to its present enormity. Quite a few in the SEC, the DTCC and in Congress should follow in Martha's footsteps - TO JAIL. These people need to be held accountable to We, the People. They are White Collar criminals. This is the biggest scandal on Wall Street since the Crash of '29.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By ckza on 7/12/2006 12:14 PM
It's interesting that, my favorite investor of all time has taught me; "the markets are there to serve you; not instruct you."

As a matter of fact, Charlie Rose is concluding a wonderful three part series on this man's life tonight.

Thank God that I have learned to take what he says in context over time. Certainly, as he continues to devour companies whole from the private sector, while placing them under his public umbrella speaks far more effectively than his surrogate quote from Ben Graham that, may no longer be "possible" or "true."

In America, unfortunately, we still believe in fairly tales, and we are suckers for "good stories."
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By Yoda on 7/12/2006 12:21 PM
My take on the hearing: (if thesanitycheck were the SEC)

"I just want to thank bobo for a job well done. haha Great work bobo and those countless hours and stuff. You sure are great!

I would also like to thank all of you commenters for your insights and the time you took to post. You guys are great. It is like a breath a fresh air and is really great.

Plus a sound-out needs to go to Dave Patch; you are great! Patch has conducted so much analysis and in an environment where analysis is hard to come by with data so scarce and protected. Dave just does a great job and it is a wonderful world for everyone with rainbows and flowers for all. I would say more but I am about to work on my tennis game and play some golf. Whooppeee!

Are there any questions?

Bobo: "No really tough questions from me I just want to say we are so great and I love ourselves."

Commenters: I would just like to ask who is so great? I know, we are! haha lets go play some golf.

Dave Patch: Why is the data so great?

The Sanitycheck as the SEC: Because we are so great dave. group hug everybody. Oh yea some day we will have a round table thing and we will release some data to the public. We are so great.

This concludes or meeting for today. yea us!"

That is about all I got from the hearing today.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By ckza on 7/12/2006 12:39 PM
The New Age Instruction From Mister Market to All Participants:

I AM who I AM and you can't do anything about it, so DAMNED be ALL of YOU!

You see, I'm a rigged game by sophisticated money launderers in cahoots with the same regulators that you all believe "serve" you.

But I don't serve anyone EXCEPT the BEAST who empowers me, and DEVOURS your money every day.

So, if you don't like it. MOVE ALONG little DOGGIES because this world's PRAIRIE is all mine to keep.


Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By better_off_ blind_&_ deaf on 7/12/2006 12:51 PM
I like to lurk from time to time and I have to say that any piece of news hitting the tape about your financial system seem to push the boundaries of ethics a bit deeper. This week we've had Paulson stepping up to rule your Economy, Cox quoting "We're going to take now the time to see what the marketplace thinks of this" (taking time..., who's the market place?) what a joke! and finally a bunch of "très en vue" dignataries attending Lay's funerals, including the very father of your current President and ex president himself.

Now I have a couple of questions:
1.Is the United States of America that country that seems to believe they have to police today's world as if all their problems were rooted beyond its borders.
2.What yet must happen to see the American People step forward and regain it's independence from the crooks that happen to direct your country.

For today's most powerful country on the planet, it seems easier to send hundreds of thousands of boys to Afghanistan, Iraq and who knows next than set up rules to keep its financial markets fair to every participant including the less mighty.

Last but not least, Patrick who seemed like lost in action lately issues a Press release thanking and congratulating the SEC for it's performance today. OSTK share price being down 75% from its highs and just off its lows in one and a half year, all thanks to the SEC's efficient policing of the markets? Any question?

Oh yes I forgot, in the meantime the markets keep tanking at a regular pace. coming closer to the big bang panic aka the covering threshold raping the last shares available before the next decades of a Bulll Market. We are 2 months from 911, what a perfect scenario, time to take out Bin Laden's Puppet and dust it off.

DISGUSTING
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By Overstock.com Applauds SEC's Courage on 7/12/2006 1:09 PM
Overstock.com Applauds SEC's Courage in Addressing Naked Short Selling Issue
Wednesday July 12, 4:36 pm ET

SEC Chairman Christopher Cox Takes Steps to Reduce the Frequency of Unsettled Stock Transactions, an Illegal Stock Trading Strategy


SALT LAKE CITY, July 12 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Overstock.com® (Nasdaq: OSTK - News) CEO Patrick Byrne issued the following statement today in regards to the Securities and Exchange Commission's open meeting held this morning on proposed amendments to Regulation SHO.

"I congratulate the SEC for the courage they showed today, and I am grateful for the leadership of Chairman Cox. It is clear he understands the severity of the problem, and the Commissioners can be proud of the steps they are taking to end the blight of abusive naked short selling upon our capital markets."

Regulation SHO went into affect in January 2005 and was supposed to stop illegal naked short selling -- the practice of deliberately selling shares of stock without first locating available shares to sell (also referred to as "failure to deliver"). In the open meeting today, SEC Chairman Christopher Cox said it is apparent that there is a serious problem with abusive naked short selling. The Commission candidly acknowledged the shortcomings of Regulation SHO and that proposed amendments to the regulation are the result of thorough analysis. The SEC has also commissioned two academic studies looking into the effects of failed stock trades.

About Overstock.com

Overstock.com, Inc. is an online "closeout" retailer offering discount, brand-name merchandise for sale over the Internet. The company offers its customers an opportunity to shop for bargains conveniently, while offering its suppliers an alternative inventory liquidation distribution channel. Overstock.com, headquartered in Salt Lake City, is a publicly traded company listed on the NASDAQ National Market System and can be found online at http://www.overstock.com.

Overstock.com is a registered trademark of Overstock.com, Inc. All other trademarks are the property of their respective companies.




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Source: Overstock.com
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By COX at SEC says "FREE CRACK for EVERYONE TOMORROW" on 7/12/2006 1:24 PM
Hey Chris Cox. Nice job of pretending you give a shit about investors. You said "We're going to take now the time to see what the marketplace thinks of this". What about enforcing the laws today? What do you think the "marketplace" would think of that you two-bit whore. Do America a favor and RESIGN NOW before you are IMPEACHED for blatant dishonesty you porker.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By The SEC proposal is already garnering praise from on 7/12/2006 1:25 PM
2nd UPDATE: SEC Proposes Tightening Short-Selling Rules


(Adds comment from Overstock.com chief executive in final paragraph.)
By Siobhan Hughes Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- The Securities and Exchange Commission, responding to complaints that its rules on naked short-selling need to be tightened, on Wednesday took a step toward closing some gaps left open by short-sale rules adopted in 2004.
The commission unanimously voted to seek public comment on changes to its regulations. Among the most significant proposals: eliminating a "grandfather" exception for some hard-to-borrow stocks.
"There are still persistent failures to deliver in the marketplace, and some of that is undoubtedly attributable to loopholes in our rules," SEC Chairman Christopher Cox told reporters after the meeting. "Today, what we're moving to do is to close those loopholes. We're going to take now the time to see what the marketplace thinks of this."
Short-selling is a legitimate practice that involves selling borrowed shares in a bet that prices will fall. Traders profit by buying back the shares at a lower price and pocketing the difference.
Naked short-selling is generally forbidden and occurs when a trader doesn't borrow or replace shares sold short. Regulation SHO sought to curb the practice by requiring brokers to locate shares to borrow before executing customer short sales.
The regulation also established "threshold" securities that meet certain conditions, such as more than half of 1% of outstanding shares haven't been delivered on the date they were due for five consecutive days. Once a security is on the threshold list, a broker with short positions must close out any failed trades within 13 business days, a policy intended to reduce outstanding short trades.
The SEC originally exempted any failures to deliver that occurred before a security was on the threshold list. The exemption prompted criticism, in part from companies who expressed concern that their stock prices were being manipulated.

The SEC proposal is already garnering praise from some quarters.

"I congratulate the SEC for the courage they showed today, and am grateful for the leadership of Chairman Cox," wrote Overstock.com Inc. (OSTK) Chief Executive Patrick Byrne, who has been a frequent critic of the SEC. "It is clear he understands the severity of the problem, and the Commissioners can be proud of the steps they are taking to end the blight of abusive naked short selling upon our capital markets."
-By Siobhan Hughes, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-6654; siobhan.hughes@dowjones.com
(Judith Burns contributed to this story.)





Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By COX at SEC says "FREE CRACK for EVERYONE TOMORROW" on 7/12/2006 1:25 PM
Hey Chris Cox. Nice job of pretending you give a shit about investors. You said "We're going to take now the time to see what the marketplace thinks of this". What about enforcing the laws today? What do you think the "marketplace" would think of that you two-bit whore. Do America a favor and RESIGN NOW before you are IMPEACHED for blatant dishonesty you porker.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By gregcable2002 on 7/12/2006 1:52 PM
Maybe the crooks know that it'll take another year or so to bankrupt the remaining companies on the threshold list whereby they get a complete pass on ever having to cover.Free ride all the way.Thankyou Mr Cox
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By bobo on 7/12/2006 2:11 PM
Folks. Please. Maybe he is trying to get something done, and undo years of graft and corruption at the SEC. Did that ever occur to anyone? Rome wasn't built in a day.

Just enforce the laws. Sure. Easy for you to say. We live in a complex world filled with nuance and subtlety, shades of gray and such. I mean, I know when I lost millions to naked short selling and manipulation, that money was just gone, but can't you get your minds off of me me me for a second and consider the greater good of the markets, or something? It's so easy to blame the guys with the hockey stadiums in their back yards - what about the valuable liquidity my re-distributed money has now created for, well, the good of the country, or whatever?

You people are so black and white. Geez. Enforce the law, settle the trades. How naive.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By rtway1 on 7/12/2006 2:56 PM
Whenever your ass is against the wall, whenever you,ve been caught in the cookie jar, whenever some low life rube asks you a direct question, whenever you screw every and anybody to take care of your financially well endowed gift givers all you have to say to make things right is " It provides LIQUIDITY" you dumb ass rube, now go away with your pension and IRA money and give it to those who will take care of you and hope you have it when you need it. Bring us a candidate to vote for that is for the people and get rid of these scum bags.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By IntheKnow on 7/12/2006 3:03 PM
SEC= (S)elf-serving (E)thecially (C)orrupt.

What a bunch of hypocritical back slapping scumbags! Now they've given their owners another couple of months to fuck the investors.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By mwillwilly2003 on 7/12/2006 3:18 PM
Internal email at the SEC:

"People here need to remain calm and remember that when we claim to serve the public, we are in point of fact telling the truth. The retail types may complain that we don' do this, but that's a self-serving and narrow point of view. Aren't the big broker-dealers and hedge funds part of the public? And don't we serve them, slavishly even? As for retail investors, we certainly do, in a manner of speaking, serve them as well. That is, on a silver platter, for the gustatory delight and nutritious well-being of their betters and ours, the market Participants with whom most of us will find gainful employment once our SEC tenure has ended . Why don't more of these hinterland types realize that to make an omlette, it is necessary to break some eggs? It's entirely regrettable that more people don't understand this simple precept. But I see that it is nearly quitting time. Anyone care to join me at dinner?"
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By gregcable2002 on 7/12/2006 3:27 PM
us common folk don't know how to manage our money anyway,thats what welfare is for,entrust the sec and big banks to take care of us all,anyway,walmart has lots of job openings.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By gregcable2002 on 7/12/2006 3:32 PM
Welcome to the new AMERIKA.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By ckza on 7/12/2006 3:38 PM
Bobo:

Maybe I am missing something-as a matter of fact, I'm sure that I am-but I don't seem to sense any cynicism on the part of Patrick and related to today's activities like the DTCC letter, for example.

In this regard, why shouldn't one be more optimistic?

Isn't it possible that his expecations are built upon more than we currently know?

To that extent, why don't you know it, hmm.

I think one has to acknowledge today as being more of a victory than not.

Bring on the reviews, and bring on the experts!

FWIW
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By bobo on 7/12/2006 4:06 PM
See my next blog. I re-listened to the hearing, and I think any optimism is based on Cox's statements, not those of the likes of Nazareth or her quislings.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By KirbyJF on 7/12/2006 4:10 PM
Chairman Christopher Cox, says, that commissioners, "... can be proud of the steps they are taking to end the blight of abusive naked short selling upon our capital markets."

This is the 1st time I have seen an admission that there is this big of a problem. I think its very good to have that admission. With out Patrick pushing I don't think it would have happened. I guess i feel that this is very good for the markets.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By n-tres-ted on 7/12/2006 4:31 PM
short seller,

Go to the SEC website and just follow the links to the audio of the hearing. sec.gov
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By teacheric on 7/12/2006 4:45 PM
It's obvious that nothing is going to change, not if we leave it up to those in charge of policing themselves. There are definitely big stakes on the line for both sides. If our elected officials can't do the job they are charged with, then we need to replace them. If only two women on your block were being raped each day, would you think that to be okay, or would you do something to stop it? If you saw it happening and could stop it, would you? I think it is getting to that point right now in the market. Everyone sees what is going on, and currently, we are watching people get raped and just standing by doing nothing. The time of emails and letters has passed. That didn't work. Now what? There are people too afraid to speak out out of fear for their lives. I wonder if the market thieves and rapists ever fear for their lives. I'm not suggesting violence, only a demonstration that will capture mass media attention. A lot of people know what's going on, but we need to get the couch potatoes involved, if for no other reason than to ensure their couches will still be there in the next 10-20 years. What do we do when the people in charge know about the larceny and do nothing? Why do we waste our time writing letters and emails? It's time for the people of the United States of America to be reminded that our elected officials work for ALL of U.S. citizens, not just a handful of crooks. Since there is no silver bullet for the cancer in our market place, we need to eradicate the whole system and start fresh. If that means do away with the SEC and form a REAL organization that will enforce the rules, then so be it. Every time I think of our current situation, I keep thinking about that movie "V for Vendetta." One man helped bring about a revolution in a place where the government had gotten so corrupt, and the people(sheep) didn't even realize what was going on. I guess I'm saying, What else are we going to do to get our country back? If the SEC were in charge of abolishing slavery way back when, we'd have free blacks working in the cotton fields. They would be free to roam the fields, but they would have to live on their landlord's(no longer called master) plantations. There votes would count only because their landlords would take them into consideration before voting. If a "landlord" ever got caught beating one of his "tenants," he would surely be in trouble. How much trouble? The SEC would meet to discuss that, and it might depend on how many plantations you owned and if you grew tobacco or only cotton. And I'm sure the SEC would hold annual meetings to congratulate themselves on how well things were going, such as how the number of "lost tenants" was going down. Forget about how many were missing from running away or being killed. The number of runaways, er, I mean lost tenants, had decreased, and therefore, the policies set in place were working. Anyway, actions speak louder than words, and right now there is little action and a lot of words coming from the SEC, words that are meaningless. We need some ACTION to put some meaning into those words.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By bphaere on 7/12/2006 5:49 PM

teacheric,

You and Wonder Boy scare me with all this talk of public demonstration and anarchy. Don't you recall how the government treated demonstrators during the last presidential election season? Don't you know we'd all be rounded-up as subversives or terrorists or worse?

No, it is not yet the right time. Besides, I'm enjoying watching the current version of the Ugandan Reach-around being employed by Byrne, O'Brien, & O'Quinn. These guys seem to know how the game is played ...

Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By mhatmccane on 7/12/2006 6:18 PM
They're "proud" that after 2 years they're "considering" changes. They should hang their heads in shame for their complicity in the theft of millions. Do they really think anyone will listen to them ? Like Cramer, the bad guys will write "BS" on the new SEC changes and throw it on the floor. And the SEC will ignore it.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By teacheric on 7/12/2006 6:33 PM
bphaere,

I'm definitely not an anarchist, and I don't expect to do anything that would seem like a terrorist act. I'm just saying we need to do something to get bigger attention, something that will be on the news in all 50 states, something that will cause so many screaming voices that the crooks won't be able to keep the lid on..
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By bobo on 7/12/2006 8:45 PM
Teacher, these guys will only understand criminal charges with jail time, and the forfeiture of a lot of cash. The plaintiff's bar will handle the removal of their wealth, and the DOJ will have to do for the criminal stuff. I am willing to give Cox some slack to see if the words equate to action, but we are in agreement that talk is cheap.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By captdale2 on 7/12/2006 9:05 PM
Well, I don't post much anymore. Just sick of the whole damned thing. But, I'm with you there teacherir. However, First - the title is incorrect. The SEC has no soul. Realize it. Get over it. Boy am I ever with you. It seems like its just Blah blah blah blah. Same ole crap. Ain't it awful. Them commissioners are just a bunch of crooks. blah blah blah. I was right and (insert name) was wrong all along and has been (insert number of years) . I told you so , I told you so. Nah nah nah nah nah. They aught a, should a, could a. Crap. I'm personally sick of the whole damned thing. I sincerely wish that this was like back in the Judge Roy Bean days. I know exactly how I would deal with the miscreants. Every last damned one of them. So - what to do, what to do. I have written hundreds of letters to every representative and congressman I could get an address for. I have let my voice be heard. Officially. Well written. What did I get ? Same ole bunch of crap. Nothing. Bottom line - Nothing but double talk. How are we going to take these people down ? You tell me. How are we going to get it done ? Is what we are doing the "best we got"?. It this the best we have?. We need an advocate in a position to do something about it. I'm still looking for that one honest man. Bryne is a good thing. The NASAA meeting last Nov was a good thing. The NFI suit is a good thing. The Utah deal is a good thing. The increasing exposure is a good thing. The bunny is... well, the bunny and thats a good thing too. So - how we going to do it?. Keep on keeping on doing the same?. Cranking it up one little notch at a time ? Shining the light in the dark places ? Is that going to get it done ? Ahhhhhhhhhh WTF
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By teacheric on 7/12/2006 11:37 PM
Shouldn't the DOJ have stepped in by now? What is it going to take to get them involved? From what I heard at the senate hearing, it seemed like they were still willing to let things go. I just don't feel very comfortable that the right people are actually trying to fix the problem. It seems like the miscreants have really bought themselves a country. And the funny thing is we've been bought, but we don't see a dime of the money. In fact, we get to pay. Oh, and I am so sick of hearing how good shorts are for the market for liquidity reasons. Screw liquidity.So you might have to pay more for your stock. Who cares. At least you wouldn't have to worry about a bear raid. Let liquidity be a problem for CEO's to worry about. If they want their company to be more liquid, then they can advertise and do some PR work. If they pay good dividends, who cares if they're liquid. Who would want to sell a stock paying a 20+% dividend? Liquidity cannot/should not be the driving force for some of the illegal activities being allowed. When I bought and sold my first stock, I asked the simple question: Who's going to buy my stock when I sell it at the market?" The broker said something like, "Trust me. It will sell within seconds." With less liquidity, i think we would just see more bid and ask prices instead of market orders. I'm willing to accept that. Why do we not get a say in the matter? Because that's not what it's really about.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By rvac106 on 7/12/2006 11:46 PM
Yes, Yes! YES!!!!!

Keep writing the letters. Keep cranking it up one notch at a time! Keep that little light shining in the dark corners! Post everywhere. And, unless you personally know something good about your elected official, all incumbents should be ejected from their posts. All election campaigns should be funded by the people. All incumbents should be EJECTED! Campaign finance reform. NOW! Bush Sr, in light of the fact that Lay was convicted of fraud, and embezzlement, to the detriment of hundreds of thousands of Americans, still had the gaul to attend the felon's funeral. Money even talks to some politicians from the grave.

It's like the situation you find yourself in in a game of Scrabble, or Literati. Sometimes, it makes more sense to just cash in your letters, and look to see what you come up with. It might be better than what you had, there's a possibility it could be great, but you know, that what's in your hand right now is total crap, and you need to start over, just to give yourself a chance in hell of winning in the end.

Anytime you get into a conversation with someone, about anything they feel like complaining about, whether it's the government, or electric prices, or gas prices, or food prices, or any of the other myriad things there are to complain about, take the time to suggest voting out all incumbents. ALL OF THEM. Crooks are not born, they're trained. They're shown the way, by seniors. Time for a new slate. A new slate won't know that they're 'supposed' to appoint a lackey of Wall Street to a commission that's responsible for overseeing the stock market. A new slate won't feel the necessity to kowtow to high dollar volume PAC's, especially if campaigning is funded equally among the candidates.

I'm ranting, but there's no way I'm giving up. No freakin' way!
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By Sojoy on 7/13/2006 2:54 AM
Do your part like me, in the voting booth this November. It's not perfect, but its a start. This corruption and changes in the middle of the night, and a horrible SHO rule was allowed by the present Republican party and the Bush gang. At the least, I believe the Dems are more people oriented and will be for the investing public morso than the special wall street interests who bought the SEC from Washing in the past few years. I'm a democrat now! I've got to do something to help change this situation where wall street is stealing in the guise of "proprietary trading" etc.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By Jim Tucker Arhulaboy@cox.net on 7/13/2006 6:54 AM
Bob , How do we counter or expose the SEC minimizing that only 1% of trades are FTD's? (Knowing of course that 1% of trillions of trades is very significant) An analogy? Thanks
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By bobo on 7/13/2006 8:34 AM
Jim:

1% of all trades fail. But they are concentrated in the companies on the SHO list. Thus, 20-25% of all trading in those companies could well be, and is likely, fails.

Not counting ex-clearing, of course.

So, does 20-25% of trading in some companies being fails sould like a problem? Does that sound like stock manipulation to you?

Why don't they tell us, every day, how many shares are failing in what stocks? Why don't they tell us, in dollar terms, how much they grandfathered, and how much of that is left? Why don't they tell us how much in NEW fails every day are occurring, in dollars? Why is the reporting and discussion of anything surrounding this shrouded in secrecy and ambiguity, and percentages, and statistics, versus hard, understandable numbers?
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By mhatmccane on 7/13/2006 9:03 AM
Jim Bobo

I still like the bee sting analogy

What 1% means:

The 99% Farce-Critical Distinction
by: matthew_balaban
Long-Term Sentiment: Buy 01/24/06 06:47 pm
Msg: 392177 of 392263

By saying that FTDs only comprise 1% of all trades, the DTCC and Carol Remond are clearly trying to spin this by implying that, in the big picture, 1% is pretty meaningless. They are telling the public that this is nothing to be concerned with and is completely under control.

And while EB's counter attack, comparing it to a 1% murder rate or 1% HIV transmission rate, and how reprehensible that would be, IS compelling, it seems to me, however, to be missing a critical point, a point of which we are all aware but NEEDS to be hammered home. And that point is that these illegal trades are NOT spread evenly throughout the markets, but are strategically concentrated on a few select companies, with the malicious purpose of driving them into the ground.

To use an offbeat analogy, let's say the DTCC reported that 100,000 boy scouts had gathered for a big jamboree, and there were 1,000 bee stings. What would be the harm in that? It's nothing, right? It's relatively meaningless! Nobody would think twice about it.

But if the DTCC told the TRUTH, and reported that ONE single scout got strung by 1000 bees and he DIED as a result, THAT would be a HUGE story. THAT would be shocking! THAT would be horrendous!

Same statistic, 100,000 scouts, 1,000 bee stings, but the implications are as different as night and day.

The former is how the DTCC is spinning this. The latter is the TRUTH!

And it seems to me that THIS aspect of naked shorting is NOT being accentuated enough here or elsewhere. And while I am nowhere near as well educated about this nor could I ever write as succinctly or as eloquently as Mr. O'Brien, I don't think his HIV or murder analogy addresses this critical part of the equation.

People NEED to understand that if these criminals can bombard a few select companies out of existence, out of pure greed, and get away with it, without a slap on the wrist, then NO ONE's investments are safe. Because any one of YOUR holdings could be next on the hit list! And THAT is frightening.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By Little Bo peep on 7/12/2006 9:02 AM
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8209-2266782,00.html
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By Ben on 7/12/2006 9:02 AM
You are right.Check FAIRFAX FINANCIAL (FFH-NYSE). This company is on the Threashold List since the beginning January 2005 and short selling continue.The whole system is broken and defrauding retail investors.The SEC = BULL SHIT.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By CHRIS "PORKY" COX on 7/12/2006 9:06 AM
And you thought we were going to do something meaningful for the the masses? HAHAHAHAHAHA! I even changed the SEC's mission without CONgressional approval and removed the " maintain the integrity of the securities market" part.
I can do anything I want to assist my crooked friends.
Oh -By the way, Annette Nazareth says "Hi Losers! Stop your whining about losing money".
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By bobo on 7/12/2006 9:06 AM
KirbyJF: A glass of water when your family has been killed by criminals is also better than nothing - barely. I suppose cops that would have stopped them from being killed, or who would go arrest the criminals, is more in line with what I was expecting.

This is not better than nothing. It is still nothing, packaged differently.

Now drink your water.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By bobo on 7/12/2006 9:18 AM
A friend of mine pointed out, correctly, that the SEC espouses a warped world view wherein the markets and the SEC are there to serve the interests of Wall Street - the broker dealers. I have argued for years that this view is precisely how the SEC views things - as in the 1920s, the mindset is that the markets are there for the professionals to make their money, and that investors are gamblers - speculators - who deserve what they get. I have been shouted down on this, assured that my take is incompatible with reality, and that the SEC COULDN'T share the Wall Street perspective that we are all sheep to be fleeced.

Here's his comment:

"Milton Friedman once wrote of JFK's line about, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." MF said that it was a disgraceful thing to say. A proper enlightenment view is that man is at the top, and we form a compact, government, to do those things that we cannot do well on our own. We hire the government like we hire a plumber: now imagine if a plumber came to your hose, did a lousy job, charged a lot for it, and when you complained, said, "Hey don;t ask what I can do for you, ask what you can do for me!" Presumably we would have the sense to see that he had inverted things in his head. Yet modern government has done this and we accept it.

By warning that the "dealers would complain," they are extending this warped and inverted worldview to the BD's who have captured them. The American market does not exist to serve the BD's: the BD's exist to serve the market."

Wrong. The market exists to enrichen the BDs that own it, and the SEC views its mandate as reassuring the public that all is well, while interfering with the BD fleecing of America as little as possible. That was clear from their statements today.

How much clearer does it have to be?

Bring in the DOJ, get rid of the SEC, and get some honest people enforcing the basic congressional mandates from 1934 - settle the trades, protect investors, make the markets transparent and safe.

This isn't hard...
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By Wonder Boy on 7/12/2006 9:21 AM
Yep. The toothless old dog barked today after someone woke him up.

It sounded to me like before he does anything, he wants to check with 'the Street' to be sure it will not cause them any problems.

The concept seems so simple. No one gets paid until what is sold is DELIVERED. Now, if this creates 'liquidity problems', so be it. I would rather have an 'honest' system than a 'liquid' one.

Simple concept, but the toothless old dog will never understand.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By Pinkice on 7/12/2006 9:22 AM
Bobo - keep moving forward - one step at a time. Now the DOJ needs to do the work since it appears the SEC won't enforce the law to protect shareholders/companies. The SEC has chosen not to take the moral high road and do the right thing. They have had their opportunity to correct matters and passed on it. Seems like one step forward three steps back, but look where you were at a year ago. A year ago, it was a laughing matter, today not so. The only ones backslapping and highfiving themselves are the broker dealers, hedgies, and SEC. IMHO this too shall come to pass.

Keep the army moving forward Bobo.

Main Street American wants, no demands Wall Street be brought to justice. The SEC and the hedgies/broker dealers fool no one. Main Street sees what is going on- we are no fools. All IMHO.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By Madame Defarge on 7/12/2006 9:27 AM
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The Guillotine is the only answer!
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By rtway1 on 7/12/2006 9:36 AM
Our biggest failure in our system og government is that our elected officials and appointed officials are not allowing the public access to interview them in a public forum such as the president has to do in a scheduled press conference. Once these bastards are in they are untouchable and unaccountable. If we had a system where as they would have to answer to their peers instead of a gaggle of hand picked stooges that have rehearsed questions then we could brag about a fair system. Lucky Luciano and Al Capone would be proud of this group. If I had to listen to that smarmy condecending little weasel for 5 more minutes I would have puked. It was a lesson on how to be talked down to by the supreme authority in a tone so low as to chastise you for listening in on our little circle of influence that you should not even have the right to hear. At least they had to admit there was a problem,BFD.
Re: A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC - The Reg SHO Amendment Hearing By rtway1 on 7/12/2006 9:41 AM
They should take the word God or "by the people and for the people" out of all public documents and buildings and replace it with "LIQUIDITY" the god of Wall St.
A Window Into The Soul Of The SEC By Roundclock on 7/12/2006 10:01 AM
Here's another peek into the soul of the SEC.

After the Pecora hearings were finally shut down and the passage of the 1934 Act etal, Ferdinand Pecora rightly expected that he might be considered for the top spot at the newly created Securities and Exchange Commission. After all, who knew more at that time about the functioning of the securities markets than Pecora. Well, there was someone who knew at least as much as Old Ferdi...one Joseph Kennedy. But Joe's knowledge and experience came from having been involved in many of the pools, bear raids and stock manupulations so thoroughly documented by Pecora. And our President, Mr. Roosevelt, selected one Joseph Kennedy as this nation's first SEC Chairman...much to the disbelief of Ferdinand Pecora.

The fix was in and, of course, it was the "everyman" immigrant made good, Pecora, who was made the patsy and sacrificed by the pseudo reforming establishment.
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