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DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised?

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Posted by:   bobo 6/2/2006 10:31 PM

So, a few days before the CFA conference on NSS, the event is abruptly "postponed."

Why?

Uh, well, er, because the DTCC can't get someone out there to represent their perspective.

Schedule issue.

How long ago were they invited to attend?

About a month ago, according to very informed sources.

Isn't that something? A month ago they were invited, and a few days before the event is to take place, the event is postponed because everyone at the DTCC is just too GD busy to get out to LA for 2 hours.

So, how about a few days later? Or a week?

Nope. One of the speakers tells me that the timeframe being discussed is now 3 months from now.

Is it just me, or does that sound like the DTCC killed the conference on a pretense, and has stalled any recurrence until the first of never?

Why would they want to stop a CEO, a former employee, and a columnist/fund manager from speaking frankly about naked short selling?

Why?

And why is this being postponed for many months - assuming it ever gets back onto the table? What kind of chitty chat took place with the CFA board that created this excuse to engage in a cover-up? To silence any exposure of the rapidly escalating naked short selling crisis?

Does ANYONE really believe that the DTCC can't find one person that can speak with a month's notice? Or that it requires another 3 or more months to reschedule this? Dr. Byrne said he could be there with bells on whenever. I'll bet Dr. Trimbath and Arne Alsin could as well.

So why the stalling?

Anyone getting the feeling that these guys run the frigging country? They are huge donors to the two political parties, their ranks define the beltway, their participants are caught weekly abusing the trust, the regulators issue token wrist slaps - just enough to seem as though someone is doing something....and now they are killing forums to discuss the issues?

Exactly how would the Soviets have dealt with something like this, say, in Romania or Poland? Pretty much the same? How about the Chinese? Can't make it, so solly, maybe in a few months?

Is this what we have become?

Unbelievable.

But not unexpected.

The grandfathering should have been the giveaway.
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Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By teacheric on 6/3/2006 12:56 AM
I don't get it. NSS is huge and costing us billions and yet it's okay to delay the conference three months just because. How much more money is going to be lost between now and then. When are people going to realize the cost of each day this illegal practice goes on? Forget the DTCC. Let's have the meeting as scheduled and then schedule another one three months later when they can make it if their building hasn't been burned down in the meantime. We should organize something and encourage the meeting to continue as planned or perhaps a one-week postponement. A message needs to be sent that they are NOT in control. They need to meet our timeframe and not the other way around. If we bow down to them about this, then they know they still have the power to do and say whatever they want. Nothing is going to change if we let the DTCC call the shots.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By Granny on 6/3/2006 1:38 AM
Sue the SEC for all the settlement money that really belongs to the people who the miscreants stole the money from. THE SHAREHOLDERS! First Wall Street steals our money and then the SEC steals if from them. Hit em in their pocketbooks. Send them to jail too. Bive em the old one two
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By short seller on 6/3/2006 10:21 AM
Bobo I am sorry I don't think the DTCC killed it - you let it die.

I have people from the LA and NY Times pledging they wouold attend as well as the attorneys from the Hedgie V Brokers antitust suit ( which btw is in Federal Court )

HAVE THE MEETING

So what if the DTCC is not there that speaks louder. Send an invitation to the heads of stock loan at each of the major BDs - let them not show or respond. You call someone a pedophile and he responds - no comment?

Invite Calpers and ask how they vote their proxies when they lend out their shares? or ask them how they could have hired Lerach to sue Enron when they had lent out their Enron shares to the short sellers Lay said killed the company? They had no Enron proxy.

We don't need CFAs to have a meeting you need press real press with real facts

which remind me - perumoron - Huntsman the most Republican you can get and read his Dad's book. Members of this group of investors are most damaged when one of you makes an uninformed statement - you must keep the idiots quiet
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By OhShutUp on 6/3/2006 10:46 AM
short seller - Blame the bunny! It is all his fault! Shoot the messenger. Unfortunately the real press when armed with real facts only continues to ignore them or distort them. Blame the Bunny. This is all his fault. Blame the Bunny. Blame the Bunny. Blame the Bunny. Blah blah blah........
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By bobo on 6/3/2006 11:36 AM
Short seller: I don't get to decide whether the CFA Association chooses to cancel the meeting or not. Unfortunately the board didn't ask me, or I would have told them to postpone it one week, and that's it.

Alas, I don't yet run the world - however it might not be a bad idea for NCANS to host a forum on NSS, with all the same people plus a few more.

Let me think on it. This topic needs a full and frank airing of all the issues involved - from whether it is within the SEC's power to grandfather failed trades (something all my research leads me to conclude they don't have the power to do) to the size of the FTD issue to the mechanisms used to game the market to whether the DTCC's policy of declaring themselves powerless to buy in trades or police their own members ex-clearing voids their position as an SRO.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By InTheKnow on 6/3/2006 12:47 PM
Bobo... we can get you all the volunteers you need to set up one or a series of forums on the NSS issue. Who needs the miscreants to hold one for us.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By mhatmccane on 6/3/2006 12:55 PM
Yes, I am surprised. If NASAA could go ahead w/o DTCC attending even though invited, I do not understasnd why CFA could not. I can certainly understand DTCC's reluctance to attend; I cannot understand the reluctance of CFA to air the subject. Hiding the information is not going to make it go away. It will just keep growing, and growing, and growing. Maybe they can schedule a forum on why Utah felt the need to pass the Law they did.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By gregcable2002 on 6/3/2006 1:56 PM
I would love to read the minutes of the debate on that bills passage.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By teacheric on 6/3/2006 2:18 PM
Is it totally absurd to start talking about opening up a new stock exchange, one run by different people and a different set of rules? I think new start-up companies would be first in line knowing they could get a fighting chance if they were assured that nss was not a possibility. Frankly, I don't see how this entire mess can get cleaned up, even if the crooks finally confess to what has been going on. They don't have the money to fix it, and if they come out and say that, along with everyone knowing the market is rigged, people are going to panic, and there is going to be a run on the banks so to speak. I think opening a new stock exchange and allowing other companies from the broken one to take themselves private and then go public again in the new, honest one. Would it be legal? I would sure love to be able to trade stock in a system where that were actual buyers and sellers on both ends of the deal, along with REAL shares.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By short seller on 6/3/2006 2:25 PM
In light of the recent sleuthing references: The game is afoot.

Have the meeting . If you need help call Bud.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By hwh on 6/3/2006 4:21 PM
The grandfathering WAS the giveaway! It was essentially a quid pro quo device to allow the banks to regain their money, lent to LT Cap to cover an opening (mark to market adds up) margin call on 3 billion.

You seem to agree the antiquated term "Democratic Republic" has become a misnomer...hwh
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By hwh on 6/3/2006 4:25 PM
Furthermore, Mark Faulk is right in his call to ban the SEC/DTCC. They should be held personally liable both civil & criminally. Treason should be included among the charges along with RICO & DTPA...hwh
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By anon on 6/3/2006 5:13 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/03/D8I0OGFO2.html
see full article

"Supreme Court Faces Shortage of Cases
Jun 03 9:00 AM US/Eastern
By GINA HOLLAND Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON

Chief Justice John Roberts said last fall he would like to see the Supreme Court take up more cases. So far, however, his arrival has had the opposite effect.

Justices are running well behind in filling their argument calendar for the term that begins in the fall. They have accepted 18 cases, compared with 27 by this time last year and 32 in 2004.

Many of the cases they have agreed to consider are technical rather than potentially groundbreaking.

The nine members of the court have wide discretion in deciding what cases to review. An important part of their jobs _ done with substantial help of law clerks _ is sifting through the nearly 9,000 appeals filed each year and picking about 80 to consider.

In recent years, under the leadership of the late Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, justices confidently stepped into disputes over physician-assisted suicide, medical marijuana, presidential war powers and even a presidential election. "
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By TheresASpyInTheHouse on 6/3/2006 8:30 PM
What does the DTCC have to gain by attending, anything?!?
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By InTheKnow on 6/4/2006 4:46 AM
If the SEC was designed in the first place to protect the individual investor then what do you think our whole system of government was designed to do?

You got it!
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By dave on 6/4/2006 7:01 AM
Why can't they have it without the DTCC?

Larry the liar wouldn't illiuminate the issue - there is no point in him being there.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By have the meeting on 6/4/2006 12:23 PM
do it in all small states and educate the mob,, then we chase them with pitch forks and bats like Frankenstein. START an ARMY of educated investors and watch head rolls
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By mhatmccane on 6/4/2006 2:15 PM
Following is from www.nyscpa.org , perhaps they'd be willing to sponser the forum:

< December 2003
‘Sunlight Is the Best Disinfectant’

Sunlight is the best disinfectant,” a well-known quote from U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, refers to the benefits of openness and transparency. I invoke this quote often as executive director of the NYSSCPA, to illustrate that the most credible and respected organizations operate in an atmosphere of avowed openness. We should not only accept criticism and suggestions, we should embrace them. If questions from constituents, the public, or the media make leaders or other responsible parties obfuscate, the questions are usually valid and the answers are not. People who feel uncomfortable under the bright light of scrutiny and criticism often have something to hide. >
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By Granny on 6/3/2006 1:44 AM
Get the best representative of the DTCC (ex employee, Bud, student) you can find.
How about BOBO in a bunny suit?
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By a_spectator on 6/3/2006 2:05 AM
Coindicence?

Industry members pushing so that Utah's bill is not enforced until October instead of June 1st...
Forum postponed until fall...
Things don't happen with no reason.

A point naturally comes to my mind: something must be supposed to happen in the meantime that makes excessive exposure and scrutiny in the matter not desirable? Do they plan to clean up the place and have all the fails covered by then? Is a big panic drop in the markets foreseeable so that they can do it at a lower cost. What kind of rabbit are we to expect out of the hat? An impacting one? Paranoids make your guesses, bets are open.

I still hope Patrick is going to carry out the big shoe dropping that was announced to take place at the forum.

This smells rotten and frankly speaking at risk of having been an unbalanced event I am of the opinion that it should have been held anyway. After all contra's don't have a problem gathering between them excluding any disagreeing voice, see the recent Sabew conference. The anti NSS side cannot rely on external organizators to spread out their message, the other side is far too mighty and doesn't share the same views to let anything potentially damaging happen.

Fight the enemy with the same weapons or you lose. Being candid doesn't yield much.

I have a feeling the next few months will be everything but uninteresting.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By mormonsniper on 6/3/2006 3:01 AM
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Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By teacheric on 6/3/2006 12:56 AM
I don't get it. NSS is huge and costing us billions and yet it's okay to delay the conference three months just because. How much more money is going to be lost between now and then. When are people going to realize the cost of each day this illegal practice goes on?[Close quote]

It's not about how much money is going to be lost, it's about about how much more money can they still make/steal/launder before the barn door closes. Every delaying tactic makes them more money. That is all they care about. The slap on the wrist fines are nothing compared to what they can take in the time it takes the .gov to respond and bring the thieves to justice. An immediate halt to all naked short selling, by all parties, is required NOW.
My dos centavos.
Blessings to all,
ms
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By InTheKnow on 6/3/2006 3:12 AM
They tried the same thing with the NASAA Forum, however the NASAA Forum was never postponed and the DTCC did not attend. The DTCC said they were never invited, just another of their long list of lies.

They will never attend the CFA meeting either. They will keep getting it postponed. They just hide from the truth and make pronouncements from their ivory tower. Scumbags all.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By InTheKnow on 6/3/2006 3:21 AM
This is not the America we all knew. This country is run by a different set of rules and I'm scared, as you should be.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By gregcable2002 on 6/3/2006 4:17 AM
Try as they may to silence the issue it won't go away,settle the trades in a timely manner,with real shares and the problem is solved.Oh,but the counterfieters are to far in the hole now,lets see,what are we to do now? Assemble a citizens posse erect a gallow,and hold a hearing ourselves in front of the sec building.Hmmmm,that might get someones attention.We the people of the UNITED STATES ain't takin this crap anymore.The crooks hiding place is getting smaller by the day.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By bryedge on 6/3/2006 4:24 AM
BobO,
Perhaps the focus should be on the CFA and not the DTTC.
Who is this group? Perhaps there lies the answer.

I am suspicious of ANY group that includes Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, and UBS.
Anyone recognize any of the other people or their companies.
The list stinks of "royalty".

Board of Governors
CHAIR
Stannard, John C., CFA, FSIP* (2008)
Russell Investment Group

VICE CHAIR
Duhamel, Vincent, CFA* (2007)
Goldman Sachs (Asia) LLC

IMMEDIATE PAST CHAIR
Gravel, Monique E.M., CFA* (2007)
CIBC World Markets Inc.

CFA INSTITUTE PRESIDENT
Diermeier, Jeffrey J., CFA*
CFA Institute

AUDIT & RISK COMMITTEE CHAIR
Jones, Samuel B., Jr., CFA* (2007)
Trillium Asset Management Corp.

EXTERNAL RELATIONS & VOLUNTEER INVOLVEMENT
COMMITTEE CHAIR
Noyes, George W., CFA* (2008)
Standish Mellon Asset Management

PLANNING COMMITTEE CHAIR
Gonzalez, Emilio, CFA* (2008)
Perpetual Investments

Cagiati, Anthony H., CFA (2006)
Bank Leu Ltd.

Carcano, Alida, CFA (2008)
Credit Suisse Private Banking

DeJarnette, Shirley Shea, CFA (2006)
University of Missouri

Franklin, Margaret E., CFA (2007)
KJ Harrison & Partners

Hollis, James E., CFA (2008)
Cutter Associates, Inc

Lee, Stanley G., CFA (2008)
David J. Greene and Company

Lyon, James M., CFA (2006)
Oakwood Capital Management LLC

Ng, Alex K.G. (2006)
ABN AMRO Asset Management (Asia) Ltd

Ralston, Nicola, FSIP (2006)
Hewitt Associates

Singer, Brian D., CFA (2007)
UBS Global Asset Management

Velasco, José Luis, CFA (2007)
Dexia Fund Services Luxembourg

Vibhakar, Ashvin P., CFA (2008)
University of Arkansas at Little Rock

Welch, Thomas B., CFA (2008)
Wells Capital Management

Yap, Teong Keat (T.K.), CFA (2006)
OCBC Securities
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By bryedge on 6/3/2006 4:34 AM
Here is a list of some of the biggest criminals in the WORLD. Why would they even bill a conference with Patrick Bryne and Dr. Trimbath IN THE FIRST PLACE???!!??

Top Employers of CFA Institute Charterholders


Bank of America Corporation Barclays Group BMO Financial Group CIBC Citigroup Credit Suisse Group Deutsche Bank Fidelity Investments The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.
ING Groep N.V. JPMorgan Chase & Co. Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Mellon Financial Corporation Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc. Morgan Stanley
Northern Trust Corp. PricewaterhouseCoopers Prudential Financial, Inc.
Royal Bank of Canada Scotiabank Group State Street Corporation
TD Bank Financial Group UBS Wachovia Corporation
Wellington Management Company, LLP
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By x. trapnell on 6/3/2006 4:48 AM
A bit off topic--apologies---but the following link is a fascinating audio webcast of about 38 minutes by an insider at Harris Private Banking, Don Coxe, giving his ruminations on the dangerous, unregulated nature of hedge funds compared to mutual funds, and the international big picture concerning the dollar, Japan, China and the hedge fund carry trade, leading to volatility in metals. He sees a chance in the near future for a violent financial "event" a la 1987 triggered by a constellation of factors: dollar down, gold up, new fed chairman -> stock market crash. No connection at all to Coxe or Harris.

http://www.bmoharrisprivatebanking.com/webcast.asp
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By lynetta32233 on 6/3/2006 4:59 AM
"Here is a list of some of the biggest criminals in the WORLD. Why would they even bill a conference with Patrick Bryne and Dr. Trimbath IN THE FIRST PLACE???!!??"

Because obviously many lower-level Wall Street "insiders" know what's been going on, have had their collective consciousness raised by thesanitycheck reform movement, and want to try to help in bringing public pressure to bear to end many of the illegal practices and clean up the financial markets....

From looking at the employer of the Vice-Chair above, however, my guess is that someone didn't want to chance any of these embarrassing issues being raised at Henry Paulson's confirmation hearing(?)
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By gregcable2002 on 6/3/2006 5:04 AM
you flood a country with counterfiet money and see what happens,and then depleat that country of all it's metals,collapse is inevitable.Flood the market with counterfiet stocks or invisable shares you get the same outcome.Our whole system right now is floating on trust,once that trust and confidence is gone we as a nation will become nothing more then a third world country.We are on our way.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By gregcable2002 on 6/3/2006 5:09 AM
And maybe,just maybe thats the masterplan of those who would like to rule the world under one government.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By clearthinker on 6/3/2006 5:20 AM
speechless....the forum should go on without them...or they could have phoned it in.....this stinks to high heaven
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By lynetta32233 on 6/3/2006 5:32 AM
Nobody wants ANY applecarts being upset right now...

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_24/b3988004.htm?campaign_id=rss_daily
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By LarryThompsonDTCC on 6/3/2006 5:36 AM
All your CFA's are belong to us. All your judges are belong to us. All your CONgress are belong to us. All your stocks are belong to us.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By z3peru on 6/3/2006 6:18 AM
a_spectator said, " point naturally comes to my mind: something must be supposed to happen in the meantime that makes excessive exposure and scrutiny in the matter not desirable?"

Maybe an election in November, for example? Here's my prediction: the DTCC can't be there, it's going to be rescheduled for 3 months from now; we don't hear anything for awhile; it's then scheduled either after the election or so close to the election it doesn't give time for the word to get out.

The Republicans HAVE to be sweating the NSS issue.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By interested on 6/3/2006 7:35 AM
if they can't manage to get to a 2 hour meeting, what makes them able to manage our funds - that they have stolen and just have not gotten around to telling us about?
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By Missisipibluffs on 6/3/2006 7:51 AM
"The Republicans HAVE to be sweating the NSS issue."

This is an equal opportunity issue. The practice has been unimpeded nd tacitly condoned by administrations of both parties.

I think the election is one concern, because these folks well understand the risk to market stability if that closet door is opened. But the inevitable financial grief to follow among "ruling circles" is much more in their thoughts.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By Wonder Boy on 6/3/2006 8:02 AM
The DTCC was issued an invitation. If they don't wish to attend, so be it. If the delay is being caused by the CFA, fine, find another group to host the event or do it independently. Actually, a group that was more public oriented could be much better since the 'general press' would give some coverage while under the CFA/DTCC the press coverage could be squelched.

OT--2 good articles in the Financial Times on Friday--"ECB warns of hedge fund threat to stability" and "ECB reshuffle.............". Another good one in BusinessWeek on major banks (broker/dealers) being overextended in their lending practices.

Extended OT--check out WLS from the last blog and take a few minutes to examine the situation. Not all companies can do what the 'General' seems to be doing, but this could be an interesting situation if I am seeing things properly. All opinions welcome.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By greqcheck on 6/3/2006 8:45 AM
Bob,

Could Byrne ask Utah's Senator Bennet to use his influence as Vice Chairman of the Joint Economic Commitee to hold a hearing with the DTCC, Byrne and the NSS team? They have one or two hearings monthly.

Or, how about Sen. Hatch doing the same as a ranking Republican on the US Sen Finance Committee?
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By KMC on 6/3/2006 9:57 AM
Perhaps, the delay is due to the pending decision of the NanoPierce appeal in Nevada which appears to be the last road block standing in the way of the DTCC getting their way with the state courts? I understand that a hearing is due for some time this summer. If the DTCC were to lose that appeal it would open up the floodgates for all of the states to weigh in on the issue. Perhaps the DTCC is hoping it will go their way and then they will get out there and talk more freely about the issues feeling safe from state court actions.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By old duffer on 6/3/2006 9:58 AM
The only thing the criminal gov, people including the elected types,will react to is thousands upon thousands of people in the streets in Washington DC.

Until it is so bad that we can muster thoes numbers of people to show up on the street, well it is nowhere IMO.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By rtway1 on 6/3/2006 10:09 AM
This is just another chink in their armor. It may be a long, time consuming strategy but it is the only way to take on your advesary. Every time they refuse to show up the appearance of guilt looms larger and the more you can get this in what ever media coverage the better. Charlie Gasparino should be made aware and 60 minutes. A little sign carrying in front of the DTCC offices with the media present would also help and advertise the upcoming event.
Re: DTCC Kills The CFA Forum On NSS? Anyone Surprised? By cynabear on 6/3/2006 10:10 AM
This stinks and it is not a republican or democrat issue, it is a big game that has gone on for eons called "it's rigged", it's played by the rulers vesus us. for a brief moment at the begining of our republic we stood a chance of creating something noble and differrent, that lasted about a 100 years at best and then the 'rulers" began again to figure out how to rig the system only they are no longer called kings and queens and czars and despots.....and for now it looks like they have won the game...they own all the peices on the monopoly board.... At this point i beleive the best we can do is target every person running for office, educate them on the issue, find out if they are for or against us and if they are for us donate money for their campaign,
thoughts???

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