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Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds

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Posted by:   bobo 5/17/2006 5:50 AM

Here's a fun article on Reuters where our brightest elected officials are questioning whether the SEC should regulate hedge funds - and in fact, whether they have the authority to do so.

Some choice tidbits:

"WASHINGTON, May 16 (Reuters) - Two Senate Republicans on Tuesday questioned whether the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission had the authority to adopt a rule requiring hedge fund advisers to register with the investor protection agency.

Republican Mike Crapo of Idaho said at a Senate Banking subcommittee hearing that there were legitimate questions about the SEC's authority to adopt the rule and its ability to enforce it.

"While the SEC is an independent agency, it seems to me that it shouldn't be permitted to take the term 'independent' to an extreme," Crapo said at the hearing, which was focused on the state of the $1 trillion hedge fund industry.

Crapo said he hoped the courts would invalidate the new SEC rule, which took effect in February. A hedge fund adviser sued the agency over the rule and the case is still pending before a federal appeals court in Washington, D.C."

Now, I am far from a big fan of the SEC's, but if the SEC lacks the authority to regulate the largest entities in the markets, I suppose one could ask, who does? I mean, isn't it sort of their job description?

Did I miss the stop where the train changed its destination from normalsville to crazzzeeeeeetown?

I really couldn't make this stuff up.

I suppose that these geniuses, who are anti-regulation of an industry wielding more force than many of the world's nations combined, have some way to control and manage the industry? Well, sort of. It's the same experiment that had such a positive conclusion in the Savings and Loan debacle: do away with all regulation and controls, and then see if human nature has changed over the last 20 years.

I mean, it isn't as though we have all of human history to examine for how allowing wildly powerful and rich special interests to operate on the honor system will turn out.

Maybe today's Wall Street, which includes many of the same guys who were on Wall Street during the Milken days, BTW, is different - you know, more fundamentally honest (something Wall Street is renowned for, and which its culture celebrates) and given to self-control than it has been all the rest of its existence.

So why not let the largest, anonymous players do whatever they feel like, and use hope as a surrogate for law enforcement? That seems reasonable to me.

Here's more:

"Republican John Sununu of New Hampshire also questioned the SEC rule adopted amid controversy in 2004.

"We have to ask very basically whether or not the SEC really is the appropriate agency to be undertaking that sort of regulatory requirement," Sununu said.

He questioned one of the SEC's stated justifications for the rule, which is intended to gather information about the loosely-regulated industry. "We shouldn't start crafting regulations in order to gather information so that we can have new regulations. Any way you look at it, that's what the SEC has done."

So, again, what would be the correct body to police hedge funds? The FDA? PETA? The DMV?

I read this, and I'm appalled. What fresh hell is it, where this group of dolts can celebrate the elimination of any safeguards for investors, and float with a straight face the notion that reining in the largest force on Wall Street is a bad idea?

Other countries recognize the multi-national threat posed by hedge funds operating without safeguards. Germany wants more transparency - whose money is that? Where did it come from? Where is it going? Are a bunch of funds operating together to control a market, or launder money?

Then again, this is the same Germany that was so down on invading oil-rich foreign countries on questionable pretexts - they've been spoilsports for a while now. I say we ignore all international feedback, arrogantly dismiss any reasoned debate, and trust that God will lead us in the right direction, while Wall Street holds our hand and our wallet.

That's working so well for us, why stop now?

Wall Street has had the 6 largest years in its history, in terms of profits and bonuses, and yet the markets are essentially flat. Where did all that profit come from? How was it made, given that commissions have never been lower, and that the IPO market is all but dead? Why, could it be from the pockets of investors, whose continued participation in the market is a prerequisite to continued vitality for that sector? And could it further be that the class warfare that was the earmark of the markets in the 1920's has returned - where super-wealthy and powerful pools of money trample retail investors with impunity, while Wall Street pockets the profits?

Nahhh.

If that were the case, we would expect to see two sets of rules in place - one set for the rank and file, and one set for the wealthy and powerful interests. We would expect to see a complete absence of governance of the powerful, and an ever more oppressive clamping down on the sheep.

And that couldn't happen here.

Not a chance.

 

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Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By bbhindyou on 5/17/2006 7:37 AM
Now now, don't start getting all sarcastic like that. The sheep hate to have someone be like that when they know they're penned for the slaughter.You must talk nice and soothingly to them no yelling or you may get trampled.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By Shane on 5/17/2006 8:15 AM
Bobo, it doesn't look good, I'll grant you that. I've never been more disappointed in my country, and in our outlook for the future, than I am today. I fought in Vietnam, and at the time, was spit on when I returned. I thought that was as bad as it could get. Now, I see how blind following of false ideologies has taken us to a place where there may be no return, and I am scared for my kids' futures, as well as whatever retirement I can get. Thanks for standing up and speaking the truth. It is often thankless.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By Granny on 5/17/2006 8:21 AM
We need to hire a few lobbyists to grease a few palms. That's the only language the hill understands.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By Bobo on 5/17/2006 8:57 AM
Problem is their bag of money is bigger than ours...
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By opcowboy03 on 5/17/2006 8:52 AM
Just logically, it would seem if the SEC has enough power to Grandfather all of the FTD of NSS going bact to "forever" then they would diffenitly have the power to force the Hedge funds to at least register with the SEC. Senate CRAPO seems appropriately named and Senator John Sennunu (sp) learned crookedness well at the knee of his disgraced father who resigned back in the 80's from the Senate in a bribery scandle or some such theivery. Don't know the facts exactly but is almost fair to paint all of these Aholes with the same brush.

op
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By clearthinker on 5/17/2006 8:58 AM
And to think that our fathers and grandfathers fought for these very freedoms that are being used to screw the working men and women of this country....they would spit upon these criminals...and then they would beat the crap out of them...
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By anonymous on 5/17/2006 9:10 AM
"they would spit upon these criminals...and then they would beat the crap out of them..."

I think that's what it's going to take.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By x. trapnell on 5/17/2006 10:00 AM
Hmmm . . . I like this like of argumentation. Let's free the banks, insurance companies, telephone companies, drug manufacturers, and casinos from all red tape. In fact, while we're at it, why have the police or FBI? Congress should be free to concentrate the federal budget on projects that count, such as bridges to nowhere.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By SteveM on 5/17/2006 10:00 AM
OK,

The overall picture of our country is making me ill. Yes, there is an international corruption which has permeated most countries, and it is allowing the ultra-mega-super-rich to steal from the common man and his children.

So forget about it. Don't lose site of our goal here. We want the trades settled. We want the fraudulant shares removed from the marketplace.

We shouldn't care if hedge funds register with the SEC. There are too many loopholes to avoid enforcement anyway.

We want the SEC to enforce the Securities Act of 1934. That's all. The securities market should be transparent enough so that we may conclude that either the laws are being followed, or that they are not being followed.

Congress must force the SEC to open their books. Write your congressman!
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By bbhindyou on 5/17/2006 10:25 AM
The books that need to open are the D.T.C.C.'s .The stock borrow program.All the way back to the start.We would see every stock that has been terminated had a large naked short float when it went down.Did you own K mart ,worldcom,enron, ect? This was to take YOUR money.This affected you.We will never get the money back.Our elected officials PROFITED off of this.So much for the idea they are on your side.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By teacheric on 5/17/2006 10:29 AM
I'm going to do my part, which is to put flyers on windshields that say. "This is not a solicitation, only an inexpensive way to spread the truth. Our country is being robbed, and the government is doing nothing about it. Go to thesanitycheck.com to read the ugly truth"
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By n-tres-ted on 5/17/2006 10:43 AM
The S&L collapse resulted in large part from bad public policy, but deregulation was not the root cause. From the day the dollar was cut from the value of gold, the S&Ls were dead meat; most just didn't know it. Once inflation began being felt, interest rates were off to the races, so S&Ls had loaned long at low rates and borrowing short at high rates. The government deregulated in order to let them try to survive by their own imagination, but it was almost entirely hopeless. And we are still trying to live with the "floating" dollar in every other context.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By anon on 5/17/2006 11:12 AM
Until Joe Schmoo hears the sucking sound of his 401k money as it is drained from his account, nothing will be done. They will continue slurping up the money as long as the masses are willing to hand it over. An ad in the newspaper if the s&p keeps dropping, may help turn on the light bulb.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By bobo on 5/17/2006 11:15 AM
n-ter-ested. Actually, most of the worst examples of the S&Ls that went belly up weren't caused by interest rates. They were examples of fraud, and brokered deposits being used for non-residential funding - like the hundreds of billions of junk bonds the S&L industry bought. After all, if you have no experience as a banker, and you are given an S&L, where all you have to do is offer a higher interest rate to bring in the brokered deposits you need to lend on bogus deals or to "invest" into junk bonds, and the industry doesn't care about credit quality as all the deposits are federally insured...no, we have to disagree here. The thrift industry went nuts when the Reagen administration eliminated virtually all the annoying regulations that had kept it viable for 50+ years, and within 24 months ever variety of operator and con was bilking the taxpayers out of hundreds of billions via the brokered deposit scam. Up until then, thrifts were limited to what they could invest in, and where they could get their funds. It went ballistic once those regulations were lifted.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By clearthinker on 5/17/2006 11:29 AM
from bobo's last post.."Up until then, thrifts were limited to what they could invest in, and where they could get their funds. It went ballistic once those regulations were lifted."

Gee that sorta,kinda reminds me of..........................hedge funds
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By particleswaves on 5/17/2006 11:52 AM
IMO we suffer not the proverbial 800 pound gorilla but a rapacious 8000 pound octopus cleverly disguised as The Federal Reserve. The head controls the tentacles personified by the SEC, DTC, Hedge Funds, MMs, Brokers, Institutional Bankers, Polititians and assorted Wall Street Pricks. Until America (and the world) wises up to the fact the entire financial "system" is corrupt we can only expect more of the same; wholesale rape of the average investor.

Only a few seem to know the Fed for what it is...a private, for profit cabal whose only interest in the American economy is to drain it.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By Sparky on 5/17/2006 11:53 AM

Another EXCELLENT Post BoBo ... !!!

Sparky particularly loved this part -- "Wall Street has had the 6 largest years in its history, in terms of profits and bonuses, and yet the markets are essentially flat. Where did all that profit come from? "

GOOD QUESTION and something every investor should seriously chew on ..

Sparky
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By mhatmccane on 5/17/2006 12:16 PM
The SEC "regulating" the hedge funds is a SHAM, a SMOKESCREEN, a DIVERSION. The loopholes are already in place for those that do not intend to register. Let them clean up Reg SHO, use the DOJ to come up with jail time for Brokers creating counterfit shares and settle the trades. The hedge funds cannot naked short without Brokers participating in the scheme. Control the Brokers !
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By n-tres-ted on 5/17/2006 12:22 PM
Bobo, I believe the regs were lifted because they had no possibility of surviving if they were required to continue investing only in long term mortgages. It's true that the de-reg allowed opportunities for many miscreants to do their deeds, including providing a lot of hyped junk bonds as alternative investments to provide the magic remedy needed by the S&Ls. Once the dollar's value was cut loose and interest rates jumped, the S&Ls were goners in their traditional business. At least a few were able to diversify out of home mortgages and survive.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By n-tres-ted on 5/17/2006 12:24 PM
I was surprised to learn today that Bernanke had advised keeping hands off the hedgies, particularly since news coverage I saw yesterday had said he advised they involved risk and should be handled carefully. I didn't see his remarks, so I don't know whether the media is spinning again or what.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By phonesll on 5/17/2006 3:15 PM
I find it interesting that congressmen would question the need or the justification for regulation. After all, there is no regulation that congress won't pass to regulate almost anything. But then, I suppose many of these people have money invested in hedge funds and want to continue gettng rich off of us poor indvidual investors.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By robelita on 5/17/2006 4:32 PM
An epiphany has occured-what we are witness to is nothing less than the engineering of the NEXT Great Depression and consolidation of wealth. It all makes sense now.
Re: Another Day I Should Have Stayed In Bed - Congress On Hedge Funds By InTheKnow on 5/17/2006 6:17 PM
I never hear such CRAPO in my life. LMFAO!

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