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From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice?

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Posted by:   bobo 5/2/2006 4:00 AM

Would it be bad to admit, in a public forum, that you are deliberately taking steps to stop law enforcement, or the courts, from getting the data that they require, and have issued subpoenas for?

I mean, I’m not a professional journalist, nor am I an attorney, so I don’t know if discussing the steps you are taking to hamper investigations is par for the course, or not.

Any attorneys out there know if there is any rule or law against planning your data storage around the central idea of being able to keep it out of discovery, away from the prying eyes of regulators, law enforcement, the government? And basically saying so?

I’m all for freedom of speech. Love the concept. Wouldn’t have it any other way.

But when you are essentially admitting to conspiring to obstruct investigations, is that part of the mantle of journalistic protection?

If I counseled a “journalist” to keep their materials where they could easily destroy them, eradicating all record of correspondence, etc. – would that be bad? Would it cross any lines?

If at a big meeting of business journalists, one of the leading writers in her genre matter-of-factly chatted about how this planning for obstruction is standard procedure among her peers, would that cause anyone to be concerned about who and what we are dealing with here?

For instance, if I attended a meeting for CPAs, and one of the discussions centered around how to best shred documents and store sensitive data so that the IRS couldn’t get to it when they subpoenaed my files, would that be noteworthy? Or what if I was attending a seminar for Internet Service Providers, and happened to catch a discussion of how best to keep potentially sensitive information from subpoena – you know, stuff like kiddy porn, or hate propaganda, or whatnot. Would that be cause for outrage?

Yes? No?

Folks, from the recent SABEW conference, I have a treat for you. Here is a transcript of one part of a discussion with the eminently quotable Diana Enriquez of the New York Times, where she discusses how she and her colleagues are using removable media, to better hinder issuers of subpoenas (law enforcement, court-ordered discovery) from getting the information that they need.

I really am not making this up. The bold is my emphasis. This is word for word what she said.

“HENRIQUES: Diana Henriquez.  At the Times we do have regular legal seminars that the staff is required to attend, and those reflect—they're offered by our in-house 1st Amendment lawyers—and they reflect the changing assessments, risk assessments, that they're making based on court judgments or interim rulings that come out in a variety of invasion of privacy cases, libel cases, in some cases contract law situations.

So we are updated about that and ever since… the threats, the subpoena threats that are emerging are largely on the national security front, and those are going to be the go-to-the-mat kind of battles over sourcing.  So it's against that backdrop that the Times has been shaping its email, phone record, expense account records.

ANON: Expense account?

HENRIQUES: Well, if you put an anonymous sources name on an expense account comp for lunch and that goes to some shared services business processing center down in
Virginia
and somebody subpoenas that record, you've burned your source. But how are you going to get paid for that meal if you don't put a name down?

We're wrestling with this in a very direct way within the committees in the newsroom.  A lot of us are turning to things like flash drives to keep sensitive email and even sensitive interview notes, early story drafts, to keep them off any piece of equipment that the Times might be required to turn over in response to a subpoena.

So I think the answer is, "Yes," it's started, but is has grown mostly out of the national security subpoena threats that have emerged that … subpoena threats against our national security coverage that we in the Washington post (bureau – Bobo) are already experiencing -  and it will inevitably affect our business reporting as well.

Huh. I mean, wow. Wow wow wow.

Does everyone get the full import of this? Commissioner Cox – do you comprehend fully the implications of what is being discussed at the very meeting you attended? Where guys like Herb Greenberg, who are currently recipients of subpoenas from your agency, are in attendance, sharing their view that they are victims? And maybe picking up tips on how best to hamper investigations by making data inaccessible to your agency?

Do I need to spell it out, maybe with cartoons?

I was honestly speechless as I sat down to write this. And I am wondering what sort of press coverage this little bombshell is going to receive. Want to bet none at all?

The irony that reporters, whose job it is to dig and gather information they can then break in order to illustrate the flaws in an organization or industry, are so lacking in awareness as to make the sorts of comments we are seeing come out of SABEW, is both very sad, and telling of the sense of omnipotence that they enjoy. A feeling of divine right, or impunity.

Hey, fellas, how do you prefer to erase your email logs so that nobody can go back and build a case against your buddies? What is the best way to engage in a cover-up? I know, declare that you are “protecting sources” or some other happy load of BS, and then conspire, with knowledge and pre-meditation, to hinder any compliance with subpoenas.

Am I getting this wrong?

These were her EXACT WORDS.

And these are supposed to be the good guys.

Wonder what the hedge fund symposiums sound like? I’d love to be a fly on the wall at one of those – I bet the ones in Costa Rica especially are dedicated to discussions of the importance of honesty and integrity and ethical behavior.

How much weirder and more outrageous can this situation get? I mean, WTF?

This is the same industry that gives you an Eisinger stalking geriatrics and being cited for trespassing before being ejected from a retirement community, and using obviously stolen bank records and cell bills, and yet who is on bully pulpits like Squawk Box regularly. Yet we are supposed to believe that they are all honest as the day is long. While getting snippets of discussions about how they will use their tremendous power to crush their critics, and how best to interfere with investigations.

Unbelievable stuff. And yet too true.

Comments? Is there anything that can even be said?

Copyright ©2006 Bob O'Brien
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Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By Bodnik on 5/2/2006 3:44 PM

I sent this email to the SABEW blog last night and note that it has never been posted. They must have adopted the lil GW blog approach, ie. not allowing any post critical of their comments even if said post is on topic and courteous. Not surprising since lil GW's blog is linked on the SABEW page.

Blog in question:

http://weblogs.jomc.unc.edu/talkingbiznews/?p=788

My comment(unpublished):

Mr. Roush:

"Still, the comments are drawing the attention of some of the enemies of business journalism."

You've got to be kidding. Surely you are aware the anti-nss and market manipulation forces, are not "enemies of business journalism", but rather those specific "business journalist" toadies that parrot the script of unregulated hedge funds. Perhaps you should read the words of some business journalists that don't owe their careers to hedge funds. There are some out there you know and they know the distinction.

It is interesting that you had to confirm the comments of Bob O'Brien, as in thousands of words he has rarely made a mistake, wnd when confronted with a mistake, he immediately corrects same, as opposed to some of those same "business journalists" you hold in such high esteem.

Of even more interest, is your lack of comment on the words of Mr. Colarusso. Do you suppport these comments?

"we have barrels of ink and stacks of money, and all the resources in the world at our disposal, legal, and via our media, to crush them, or at least bring them to some degree where they cannot do this with impunity".

One last point, do you question why Herb Greenberg, et al, Rocker Partners, et al, keep talking about sueing those that criticize them, but have actually never done so. Perhaps their lawyers have advised them that truth is a defense, and perhaps they do not wish for the legal discovery that is ready and waiting for them.

-end-
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By ginger on 5/2/2006 4:43 PM
Bodnik, I also sent a message to that blog and it too hasn't been posted.

Ginger
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By anonymous sources are the best kind on 5/2/2006 6:38 PM
Another gem this is applicable to this blog from the NFI board on yahoo. For those who don't get it, Wigand was the Big Tobacco (in this case B&W) insider whistleblower source for 60 minutes, later made into a movie "The Insider" with Al Pacino and Russel Crowe. if you're interested in this issue, the movie is a must-see.
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Journalists, Sources, & the Almighty $
by: chebaccadefense 05/02/06 08:21 pm
Msg: 427577 of 427595

Last I knew, the nobility of Journalists didn't involve the reason their sources are "protected" is so that those sources can profit off of that Journalists' publications.

Jeffrey Wigand certainly wasn't trying to profit, he was a man with a conscience trying to right a wrong.

he didn't have a short position on B&W.
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Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By bodnik on 5/2/2006 7:05 PM
Mr. Rouse-I just emailed this note to you at croush@email.unc.edu. :

Mr Rouse,

I tried to post to your blog and apparently I was not the only one. I am bodnik on thesanitycheck.com . On your blog I filled out the entire fields except on website I put none applicable because I don't know what you mean. My name is Bob Bxxxxx and my email address is this one. This is the second time I attempted to post on your blog the last time beimg about 2-3 months ago with the same result. This is the post I tried to make and I take your word for it that it is a system failure. I was thinking about writing the chairman of the Business Journalism Dept. with an inquiry why blogs that allowed comments did not post those comments. Perhaps you can post this for me. TIA.
Bob Bxxxxx

(copy of post reprinted)
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By rtway1 on 5/2/2006 7:07 PM
As I have posted before, this system is so far out of control, we resemble a bananna republic. If Mr. Cox reads these blogs I would appeal to you sir to take some action as to justify our constitutional rights as much as those of these journalist. How many illicit investors have been frought to your attention with the intent of misleading you or your agency. Don,t you think you have the duty to stand up for us, the very people that make this country work. I guess the only way the press will ever be found complicit is if they sign a confession and hand deliver it to the SEC. This is a sad day for this country after reading what Ms. Henriques has said. We are a third world country.
Roush is ex-BW By anonymous sources are the best kind on 5/2/2006 7:37 PM
Roush used to work for Business Week.

Imagine that.

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Roush worked as a business reporter for The Sarasota Herald-Tribune, The Tampa Tribune and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. He has also worked for BusinessWeek in its Connecticut bureau and for Bloomberg News in its Atlanta bureau.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By anonymous sources are the best kind on 5/2/2006 7:46 PM
More B.S. from Roush on his blog from the intial SEC subpoena reactions in March:

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Business journalism is a different animal than government and crime reporting, where subpoenas are more frequent — and also contested. But it’s also very similar. We’re dealing with a situation here in which people share information with journalists because they believe it’s important for the market to know and the journalists can help disseminate that information.

SECThe marketplace then determines whether the information is valid or not.
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You have got to be kidding, Chris. They disseminate this information in a timed manner to profit on it.

The market decide if the info is correct? Novastar (NFI) has had to deal with Greenberg's years of provable falsehoods regarding their business. The market decides that when a stock if tanking on false headlines from BS artists with access to biz news wires, that the stock and company is bad because the stock is going down... and plus there was that company 5 or 10 years ago that the BS artist helped expose, so he must be right. Plus, like Cramer's Mad Money show, no one cares if he's right, just that all the sellers or all the buyers do so at the same time in lockstep to whatever the Cramers and the Greenbergs of the world "disseminate" for their sources...who all seemed to have once worked with them at TheStreet.com or Rocker Partners, or Steinhardt's hedgefund.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By bobo on 5/2/2006 8:22 PM
Chris Rouch:

I do find it interesting that my reporting on this issue and my mockery of some industry sacred cows has been painted as some sort of enmity, or that I am the enemy of business journalism.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

I am pro truth, pro transparency, pro accurate reporting. If it is well written, so much the better. My problem is with a narrow slice of the NY financial press who seem to all spin a perspective which coincidentally is popular with mega-wealthy and powerful hedge funds and brokers. I have been the beneficiary of quite a few of these biased and one-sided "hatchet jobs", and understand the difference between reporting accurately, and inventing a fiction or highly filtered version of verity and representing it as the truth.

I have tremendous respect for some journalists. Judith Burns is one example of an unbiased, conscientious reporter - in my interactions with her she was tough, but fair. We disagreed on some things, and she let me know when she felt I had stepped over the line. But she reported the truth. That commands respect.

I am of the naive and arcane belief that those in positions of power and influence, who are so quick to cloak themselves in the protective mantle of journalistic freedom, owe their readers an obligation to at least try to get it right. I also believe that those precious protections were hard fought and won by past journalists whose integrity was above reproach. Cox, in his comments, described a press controlled by a dictatorship, where the spin bore no resemblance to the truth. I was reminded of the last year, where certain publications simply covered-up through non-coverage major calamities in the market - Barron's conspicuous lack of coverage of the massive Refco fraud being one example, the demonization of Dr. Byrne and subsequent non-coverage of his lack of delivery of shares purchased in the market another, the DTCC's inaccurate portrayals of Cam Funkhauser's statements and their claims to have been shut out of the NASAA conference another.

It is a dark day for journalists when bloggers have more intellectual integrity than many who claim to be professionals in this field. The truth will out in time. Meanwhile, your membership has to grapple with representatives of your craft who casually discuss ruining critics who "dare" to publish embarrassing, one-sided interactions with the press, and others who chat about obstructing the subpoena process as though they were considering their sushi order.

Either the press is the conscience of a civilization, or they are entertainers - raconteurs, tellers of tall tales, whose word is understood to be biased, and more geared toward hyperbole than truth. I would argue that this past year is a glaring example of an industry in crisis, whose best intentions have fallen prey to character traits as old as humanity itself - avarice, favoritism, cynical conceit, post-modern contempt for ethics.

That I have been able to catch so many in this noble pursuit in lies, or behaving reprehensibly, should not be cause for enmity from your camp - it should be cause for reflection over the state of your vocation. Most or your ranks are undoubtedly good, hard-working, under-paid and under-appreciated folks who pursued this art for higher reasons. It is sad that a few very bad apples have been able to stain the calling - and even sadder that it appears to be an industry more interested in self-protection and consolidation of power than in self-policing.

The traditional barriers that have long existed, and have protected journalists - the requirement for a printing press, a delivery system for the physical product, money for ink and paper - have been replaced by a cyber-reality which is a true meritocracy. Just because a crony of a hedge fund manager or a familiar of a powerful prime broker writes a column that twists the truth to the point where it is so garbled as to bear no relation to reality, doesn't mean that it is going to stick. Now your industry has to contend with avocational commentators, some of whom have proved to be more reliable than the mainstream press.

That is reality. It is also tragic. I hereby give you permission to reprint this on your blog, with attribution. Your members deserve to get an unvarnished critique of their performance. Who knows, perhaps some of them will even be inspired to pursue their craft and report, rather than whitewash.

I remain a pragmatic optimist.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By hwh on 5/2/2006 9:09 PM
One word...CONSPIRACY! Whether to commit murder, fraud, theft, or kidnapping, conspiring to commit a crime is a crime. Conspiracy often involves collaboration. Taken together you have organized crime.

RICO/DTPA continue to lead Federal prosecutors to fame, glory, & higher public offices. Pay out more rope, the more they get, the easier they make the fed's case for them...hwh
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By whosyouruncle on 5/2/2006 9:57 PM
It appears tp me that Mr.Chris Roush has been more than courteous in his comments about postings that were attempted at the SABEW web site but not "received". He has also stated that he would post such comments if properly submitted to the Talking Biz News blog, with a valid name and email address.

Instead of reiterating the problems encountered so far, or reposting on this site, or asking Mr. Roush to post comments from this site, couldn't Bodnik and Rvac, e.g.,try a second time to post their comments at the Talking Biz News web site, concerning Mr. Roush's article? And, since bobo intends to remain anonymous, they could also supplement their comments, and include any of his other points that they agree with.

If done properly, we should expect that Mr. Roush will post them as promised.... and the discussion can continue. If, for some reason, they are not posted, that itself could be an interesting development!

Bob L.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By InTheKnow on 5/3/2006 3:25 AM
It seems to me that people like Diana Enriquez have turned the SABEW conference into a training ground for terrorists to operate under 1st amendment rights.

Sabew Akbar the card carrying Press terrorist!
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By InTheKnow on 5/3/2006 3:34 AM
These scumbags think they're a mini CIA! WTFF.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By virakiller on 5/3/2006 5:35 AM
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Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By Mississipibluffs on 5/3/2006 5:56 AM
Perhaps some of this generation of journalists are unfamiliar with certain cases of retaliation ("with extreme prejudice") against whistleblowers.

I refer Mr. Roush and any others who may be interested to the sudden deaths of Karen Silkwood (1974) and Danny Casolaro (1991).

Given the truly enormous financial interests at play in the market, activist reformers seem well-advised to remain anonymous. The same may explain the reluctance of some present-day journalists to explore the issues more deeply.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By virakiller on 5/3/2006 6:21 AM
Financial Circus is RIGHT ON TARGET
Send all of these traitors to jail and fast
Give them time to reflect on their treasonist actions
Chris Cox go to jail with them
We are the majority of this country
We are the workers of this country
We are the tax payers of this country

Why do they lie cheat and steal and do this SABEW conference to rub it
in our face that they will continue and tough luck to the majority of us fools
This proceedings was a freak show and a "stain" to our justice system
How long will we allow ourselves to be "played" and taken advantage of ?

SEPT 4 ,2006
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By bobo on 5/3/2006 6:24 AM
Folks, I have corresponded with Mr. Roush, and he has been straightforward in his explanation - they had a technical issue, which is now fixed.

Given that my comments on this blog are wrapping into the middle after around number 30, and that we can't figure out the but causing it, I have some small experience with blog instability (technical, that is).

So it does not appear that he is trying to stifle your comments or your ability to respond. It's just the damned bits and bytes, as it often is.
Re: The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By Dr. T on 5/3/2006 9:08 AM
Cary Grant as Walter Burns in The Front Page:
"The Morning Post does not obstruct justice...or criminals."
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By whosyouruncle on 5/3/2006 9:36 AM
bobo

Particularly since there are these technical hiccups in posting, recent ones buried among older ones,e.g., why can't posts be numbered?

At least, we could search for the number, rather than trying to read all the posts again, or just wonder if a submitted post never made it to the blog.

Is it too costly, or not possible, or WHAT?

Bob L.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By whosyouruncle on 5/3/2006 9:41 AM
bobo

I just posted a comment asking why can't these posts be numbered, to aid in finding them when they're all mixed up in sequence.

I found it buried 25 posts BACK in the pack.

Bob L.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By whosyouruncle on 5/3/2006 9:52 AM
bobo

My follow-up post on numbering posts for ease in finding them, or ascertaining whether they have received a response, was also buried in the pack... at least it was inserted right after the first one.

If, for some reason, posts CAN'T be numberted, how about adding the TIME of posting to the date posted?

Bob L.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By bobo on 5/3/2006 10:55 AM
Bob: I am trying to get an answer from our tech guy - this bug just comes and goes. With free software only so much is possible - I have proposed numbering the posts, and we shall see what happens. What would be preferable is if the bug gets fixed. It worked fine for the first 4 months...
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By Wicked World on 5/2/2006 4:56 PM
I think the financial press *expects* nothing short of outright immunity from the SEC and I think the (recently reminded of this) SEC intends to give it to them. I think that is the reality we face because, for starters, the SEC fears the kind of political attention freedom of the press issues attract. And because the elite financial press stockpiles barrels and barrels of ink they can make life and careers and political trajectories very difficult. This is why the press smirks the way they do and why the regulators look so uncomfortable and nervous.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By Hey Mr DOJ, put a record on.... on 5/2/2006 5:07 PM
The DOJ don't care about smirking journalists if they're frontrunning for sources.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By Chris Roush on 5/2/2006 5:08 PM
As the administrator of the Talking Biz News blog, I have not received any such messages that have been referred to here to be approved for posting on the blog. I don't know how you're posting your messages, but I am not getting them.
Re: here's my response to the talking biz column. By rvac106 on 5/2/2006 5:11 PM
does mr. colarusso teach these tactics in his courses at the university? it seems that most, if not all, of the facts that have been uncovered by the blogs have been proven out. it seems that most, if not all, of the journalists who are getting involved in this issue are now, or have been in the past, associates of one another, of members of the hedge fund industry, or the broker/dealer group. it seems to be a group effort.

we have a group, also. made up of unprofessional traders, who are deeply concerned about the makeup of the stock trading industry. we are very concerned about the financial reporting on the same industry. one group takes what they perceive to be the honest truth, and lay it out for all to examine. that would be us. the other group takes what it perceives to be the truth, but, rather than verify, and backup what they have to say, they just throw it out there, in major media outlets, without any attempt at confirmation.

for example, there have been documented comments in response to your talking biz column shown above, but, for some reason, you've chosen not to print them. how odd!

for those interested, you can read the rejected responses at www.thesanitycheck.com.

please be careful. other honest people read your words.

thanks.

RVAC106

comment submitted 05/02/06, 20:16 hrs.
Re: How to post to the SABEW blog. By rvac106 on 5/2/2006 5:16 PM
re: Mr. Roush.

I pressed the submit button.

Rvac106
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By mhatmccane on 5/2/2006 5:19 PM
So, when Herb has outright lies in his columns and no source to be found, is it just him and his publisher that are liable ? I would think the publishers are perhaps overlooking a legal exposure.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By Chris Roush on 5/2/2006 5:21 PM
I need you to post them on the Talking Biz News web site, not here.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By Chris Roush on 5/2/2006 5:27 PM
Note that when you post to the Talking Biz News web site, you also need to submit a valid name and e-mail address.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By Not Demetrios Anifantis on 5/2/2006 5:27 PM
Mr Roush,

Have you read the Gradient affidavits, several, with some details, but not all known to Patrick Byrne and those affiants, what transpired between Herb Greenberg, his sources including Marc Cohodes, and Gradient? No? The SEC Enforcement Division Head who authorized those subpoenas surely saw that evidence.

Why is the SEC Enforcement Head wrong to investigate to determine whether something illegal did indeed occur given just cause from 3 to 8 affidavits (3 are public, we don't know out here in the wastelands of Ignorant Stupid Stock Retail Investors of America what's in the other 5 but she does)?

Cox is a politician. The SEC officers that work in the Enforcement Division aren't. You go ahead and make kneejerk defense statements without any knowledge of the reasons why those subpoenas went out, it shows that you were severely lacking in any journalism education you have.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By The Midas Touch co-author on 5/2/2006 5:29 PM
I would like to thank Chris Roush for being kind enough to post here and alert people to the possibility that there may be a technical problem beyond his control preventing posting on his blog. Unfortunately, when there is the kind of acrimony between different factions like this, even benign problems get painted as hostile actions. Possibly Mr. Roush could cut and paste some of the attempted posts.

This is truly an issue that would benefit from more light than heat.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By anonymous sources are the best kind on 5/2/2006 5:31 PM
They won't play your "out the anonymous truth tellers" game. It's the message, Chris, not the messenger. The messengers get treated very very badly by some very bad men with a lot of money on the line on this.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By anonymous sources are the best kind on 5/2/2006 5:37 PM
to: Midas co-author.

Let's hope your intro is how you really feel and not the start of a "you guys are mean, no wonder everyone says you're tinfoil hat consipiracy theory whackos" victim ploy ala The Motley Fool after one of their own got implicated and things got nasty with Patrick.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By financial circus on 5/2/2006 5:41 PM
Chris Roush- You seem to be having the same problem that Gary Weiss, Mark Cuban, Jeff Mathews and more recently the DealbookBlog at the NY Times have. The problem is selective editing of submissions to your blog. Or maybe you are just a bumbling fool that keeps losing submissions to your blog? HAHAHAHA! You people belong in PRISON!
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By anonymous sources are the best kind on 5/2/2006 5:45 PM
I was with you until that last sentence, financial_circus....I doubt Mr Roush has done anything that merits "prison". Some so-called "journalists" who shill their sources short stock picks through the most powerful market moving media sources in the country? Yes.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By The Midas Touch co-author on 5/2/2006 5:49 PM
to: anonymous sources are the best kind
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. If things remain too polarized, this will only benefit the bad guys who will watch the peons fight amongst each other while they walk off with the loot. Not everyone in the press is a tool. Chris Roush pointed out the NY Post's editor's relationship with TheStreet.com and verified the comments he made.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By Chris Roush on 5/2/2006 5:50 PM
I will post any and all comments on Talking Biz News as long as they are not defamatory and slanderous. If you have something to add to the conversation, I am willing to post it.

However, I feel it is unethical to take posts from here and post them on my own blog. Still don't have any comments to approve.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - Posting to the site. By Rvac106 on 5/2/2006 5:58 PM
Mr. Roush.

Sorry for the flippant attitude. I believe that there may be a problem with your site. I would be pleased and grateful for you to post any of my initial attempt at a response to your column at your site. It would be an honor. We have been on the target end of this story for many, many months.

There are many journalists who've posted articles encompassing our suppositions on the situation. We send them kudos. There are many journalists who've posted provably incorrect information in major on line and print publications. We point out their errors, and they promise to attempt to bury us. Post these messages if you like, but please, allow us our feeble attempts at anonimity.

Thanking you in advance, I remain,

Sincerely,

RVAC106
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By anonymous sources are the best kind on 5/2/2006 6:02 PM
Chris,

Outside of a CEO, some plaintiffs, and a blogger from the US Military who have obviously outted themselves already ( the military guy's hobby is firearms, so he's not as shy as most of the "anti-NSS crowd") against these folks that Bob's website is trying to expose, you're not going to have a whole lot of folks putting in their real names and addresses, not to mention they probably won't trust your site to collect their IP addresses. Sounds paranoid, but the wagon circling in the sectors that are under pressure in this are pretty comprehensive in their efforts to fight what "Bob" and Patrick call a Market Reform Movement.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By financial circus on 5/2/2006 6:12 PM
Bobo- Your reporting of conversations at the SABEW Conference has been excellent. Thank you! I am curious though whether they sacrificed a virgin and took a blood oath to rid the world of all who question their methods and tactics? It is truly amazing how corrupt the financial press has become. I find it hard to believe that they would expose themselves in a semi-public forum in this manner but I guess the power of the press has corrupted most of them!
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By The Midas Touch co-author on 5/2/2006 6:18 PM
To Chris Roush:

In my research, I have come across numerous people who have had their lives threatened and have had bad experiences that they attribute to their being vocal about this issue.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By anonymous sources are the best kind on 5/2/2006 6:23 PM
I just read this comment attributed to Chris Roush towards "Bob", which a NFI msg board poster has called out...Chris, you're already wrong, buddy. You took a B.S. stand already. You're out, no responses coming your way, your mind is made up and you're coming in blazing with an agenda. Go away.


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Bobo's coverage confirmed by SABEW
by: nopullnoshow (55/M/West Texas)
Long-Term Sentiment: Strong Buy 05/02/06 10:13 pm
Msg: 427592 of 427593

Read Bobo's column and transcript of Dan Colarusso's arrogant comments about "barrels of ink, etc." at the media's disposal? Like he is fond of saying, he can't make this stuff up!

Chris Roush, the blogmaster at the SABEW website/blogsite, had this to say about the coverage of their conference by thesanitycheck.com:

"SABEW has traditionally not provided transcripts of its conference or of individual sessions online. I did verify with someone at the conference that this is what Colarusso said. Still, the comments are drawing the attention of some of the enemies of business journalism who argue that the comments make biz journalists look bad."

Link: http://weblogs.jomc.unc.edu/talkingbiznews/index.php?paged=2

Chris... let's get one more thing straight. We're not enemies of business journalism. Only dishonest, unethical, and collusive business journalism.

Oh, and once again, the Bunnyman hasn't lied yet.

Phil
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Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By financial circus on 5/2/2006 6:29 PM
anonymous sources are the best kind - Still think I went overboard with the prison comment?
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By anonymous sources are the best kind on 5/2/2006 6:30 PM
to: financial circus

re: "has corrupted most of them!"

So far you're callling for everyone to go to prison and that most of them are corrupt. Go away, you are doing the bad guys here a favor.
Re: From The SABEW Conference - What Is The Best Way To Obstruct Justice? By financial circus on 5/2/2006 6:37 PM
anonymous sources are the best kind - Show me the good guys! This is systemic.

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