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Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux....

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Posted by:   bobo 3/28/2006 12:00 AM

There were a number of interesting interviews today on CNBC. The first was noteworthy because Gradient now has a PR “spokeswoman” who went head to head with Charles Gasparino, who pretty much ate her alive.

What do I mean by that?

Well, recall that so far Gradient and Rocker and Herb have all been saying that the meetings the affiants describe never took place, that it is all pure invention, and that they are victims of some plot hatched up by evil CEOs out to persecute them.

Today, the Gradient spokesperson admitted that in fact SAC HAD requested the report in question, and had in point of fact paid for it. Huh. So first, this was all “independent research” and yet now, it is reports for hire. So the story changed. Again.

This is particularly interesting in light of all the 1st Amendment crap that has been thrown at the wall by the NY financial press, many of whom are now apparently part of the SEC investigation, presumably as targets.

And the most intriguing aspect of this is that Gradient apparently broke Federal law by issuing a "sponsored" report without disclosing compensation ... SEC Reg. 17(b).  So now we aren't just talking about a civil headache, but rather something more ominous. Anyone out there that is an expert on 17(b) violations that can chime in?

Here’s a message from a Yahoo message board that sums it up nicely:

“"A spokesperson for Gradient was just interviewed by Charlie Gasparino on CNBC. He asked a simple question, did SAC Capital request the report on Biovail.

The spokesperson let the rhetoric fly and Gasparino came back and said, you haven't answered my question, did SAC order the Biovail report?

The spokesperson said they did request an update on an earlier report Gradient had issued on its own.

Gasparino said, so clients taking a short position in a stock could request reports?

The spokesperson said they had an agreement clients could request 2 reports, but not for timing purposes to take a position in a stock, but they don't do that anymore for a number of reasons, and the information was prepared by Gradient analysts and the content was their own, independent.

Like a good attorney, Gasparino said thank you.

He just got Gradient to admit SAC did request the report, and Gradient allowed others to order reports.

Excuse me, that is independent how? And if a client knows Gradient is going to issue a report, how does that not effect prioir knowledge and the timing of taking a postion?

In the NYT article Gradient said these meetings and phone calls attended by the 4 former employees who have signed affidavits requesting a report never took place."

Now, I recall reading piece after piece arguing that the affiants were lying, and that Gradient was an unbiased research firm, thus doing a valuable service of independent research. Now it sounds suspiciously like they were writing hatchet jobs for pay.

The first big discrepancy in the story has surfaced, and it looks bad for Gradient.

If Donn or Carr are reading this; guys, nothing personal here. But read Den of Thieves. Carefully. The Milken legal team led many of those they were planning to throw under the bus down the primrose path, and they did so by having the same, or highly sympathetic counsel, representing both Milken as well as his subordinates.

I think it is time to ask yourself who is most likely to be thrown under the bus.

And ask yourself why all the articles say the SEC investigation into GRADIENT and not into Gradient and Rocker Partners. Because that should give you pause. This is shaping up to be Gradient and the journalists colluding, unbeknownst to the hedge funds. If you can’t see that coming, then you probably don’t believe in the Easter Bunny. But let me state here, for the record, that there are likely going to be heads on pikes, and if they can confine the damage to a level below the real capos and bosses, they will.

Get independent counsel. Now. And if they quit again, ask yourself whether the positions you are taking are in YOUR best interests. I know you are probably being told it will all work out, and that this is no big deal, but read the last 100 pages of Den of Thieves and see if there isn’t an eerie chill of familiarity. And I don’t just mean familiar names.

My feeling is that every person is entitled to counsel that will look out for their client’s best interests. If your counsel is telling you that it is a good idea to take a bullet for the team, or even worse, is counseling “don’t worry about all the guns pointed your way, we’ll be watching out for you….from over that hill” – then guess what, you may need to reconsider your position. If and when this goes into the criminal phase – and with all the high profile that is not inconceivable – the second in to make a deal has virtually no value.

Then again, maybe it is all innocent, and maybe the story keeps changing, well, you know, just because. Far be it for me to try to second guess how things work.

But I would advise you to get the best counsel you can. And make sure they are completely independent. As in not paid for by the hedge funds telling you not to worry.

History has an ugly way of repeating itself.

Copyright ©2006 Bob O'Brien
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Comments (27)
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By samiam on 3/28/2006 1:07 PM
Re: Gasparino and Gradient on CNBC...
by: ssuehtemorp 03/28/06 01:44 pm
Msg: 187726 of 187727

Power Lunch on CNBC just had a story on "so called independent research", their words, not mine, I swear and surely someone else saw it to corroborate.

They now admit SAC Capital asked for and paid for the June 2003 research report on Biovail. They say under the rules of securities laws, this is legal as long as the report was prepared just for the client and not for general distribution.

I thought the whole issue of the lawsuit is the report was widely disseminated. Of course SAC has a right to do their own research, and acquire information/research, for their own use in buy and sell decisions. The issue is frontrunning, collusion, fraud, and market manipulation from the dissemination of these types of reports.

The Gradient story in 48 Hours, not 60 Minutes, has changed from the meetings never took place and Gradient determines all decisions on what to cover, how to cover it, and when to cover it, to yes SAC requested the report, to SAC paid for the report, but that's legal has long as it was intended for their sole use.

Greenberg needs to keep screaming Freedom of the Press, because the leg holding up the table attached to "retaliation against independent research" just got kicked out.

Earlier today CNBC had a disclaimer disclosing a relationship with their website and Gradient.

What's happened is SAC Capital and Gradient have a real problem, their attorneys have told them they have a real problem, so the new story is its legal to buy this type of research, just not distribute it without disclosures.

One of them is pointing fingers at the other saying I'm not the one who illegally leaked the legal report.

My guess is SAC Capital is trying to hang Gradient out to dry saying they ordered the report (they have written documentation at the SEC about this now so too late for denials) and Gradient is the one who inappropriately released the data to others and SAC is shocked, shocked to find this out.

Looks like Byrne's been right and you know what has hit the fan.

I'm Leslie Stahl...tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock...
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By take the deal or take the fall on 3/28/2006 1:22 PM
Bobo, that was my take, too. The peons don't realize they are being set up to take the fall.

Gradient and the lapdogs are being investigated, but the hedge funds and their hundreds of millions are safe, so far. The DTCC is sighing with relief as the focus has moved from massive counterfeiting in the settlement system to stock manipulation.

As much as Greenberg looked good in the orange jumpsuit, he and his friends should consider turning in the guys that were making the real money.

In other words CUT A DEAL!!!
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By dont pick on me on 3/29/2006 7:36 AM
How come everyone is posting such negative things about me in the Yahoo tscm thread?
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By cnbc disclosure on 3/28/2006 1:28 PM
I think the CNBC disclosure refers to the Stockscouter.

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2003/jul03/07-08stockscoutermilestonepr.mspx

"StockScouter was developed in conjunction with Camelback Research Alliance Inc. ( http://www.camelbackresearch.com/index.jsp ), an independent research firm at the cutting edge of financial engineering for institutional money managers. The powerful stock-rating tool analyzes and ranks return expectations on approximately 6,000 stocks.

"The StockScouter exemplifies the benefits of a leading technology company and an independent research firm successfully coming together to make online investment research easier and more efficient than ever before," said Donn Vickrey, executive vice president at Camelback Research Alliance. "The fact that the StockScouter benchmark portfolio has regularly outperformed the S & P over the past two years shows that the tool is working -- the proof is in the numbers."

Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By J on 3/28/2006 1:33 PM
I don't suppose Roddy will be posting here much anymore. Oh well.
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By bobo on 3/28/2006 1:34 PM
The 17(b) ange is especially interesting, as it ups the ante considerably. I for one won't rest with Gradient taking all the fall - this is first and foremost a stock manipulation case, IMO, and those that benefited by trading the info are the ones that should be held accountable.

As to the NSS thing getting derailed, not likely, as this dovetails nicely - how many of the stocks that were being manipulated had rampant naked short selling taking place?

Still do? Look at OSTK today and tell me that in an environment where nobody can get timely delivery, that half a million shares just all wanted to sell below yesterday's trading range, on no news.

Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By Wonder Boy on 3/28/2006 1:42 PM
Let us not forget that all this rukus is just over BVF and OSTK at present, but there were subpoenas sent out concerning NFLX, MSO, NFI, and TASR as well. There were also 2 others that have not gotten much mention as I recall.

I did follow TASR a bit and there may actually be more there than in OSTK----bashing articles from Gannett and the Arizona Republic (quoting Gradient), SEC investigations, AI questioning safety, etc.

As each one is investigated, it makes it more and more difficult for Gradient, et al to keep the lies straight.......and the timing. Of course, most independent analysts don't hire 'board bashers' either. Did the IRS ever get those W-2 forms?

All WE need is some government agencies with the will and the physical attributes to take this seriously and meet out some 'send a message' penalties in a timely way.
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By Wonder Boy on 3/28/2006 1:45 PM
Sorry for the misspellings!
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By dave on 3/28/2006 1:47 PM
The media seems to stay away from NFI as a poster boy for naked short selling. They can't make the valuation argument as NFI's performance and dividends have improved as its share price has gone down.

I wonder if we will see other lawsuits?
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By SAC and friends on 3/28/2006 2:10 PM
Check the sell tickets, the sale of call options to open,,The puts bought, All their buddies who were told to short due to story after they got short... If you yell fire EVERYONE runs. The damage is huge,, Invetsors who bought calls, the guys who sold the puts and the investors who owned the stock, How about the company? Did it damage its Bonds? How many people got laid off? Martha went to jail for peanuts they can fill the Garden with this crew
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By WATERFALLSPARKLES on 3/28/2006 2:13 PM
In my opinion it would be ok for a Hedge Fund or others to order a report on a Company. If in fact the report was only supplied to the Hedge Fund or the Company ordering the report so they could take a position in a stock short or long.

The problem that I see comes in when that report is given to all of the Clients of the Analysis who did not pay for the report and the report published in the media. As the report was ordered by and paid for by a Client and that is where it should have stopped. By the report being given to others and published in the media it really does appear that it was a report paid for to manipulate the price of the target stock. Plus, the biggest problem is that when they got the report they liked they took a position in the stock knowing that Gradient would publish it with the News Media.

I see no problem with anyone ordering an Analysis of a Company for a fee. The problem which becomes an issue is when that report is given to other clients for free and is published in the press.
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By hwh on 3/28/2006 2:32 PM
It may be a good idea to begin direct quotes from "Den" & " Reminiscences." Few know their chronology as well as you. You're in the groove, keep it up...hwh
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By rtway1 on 3/28/2006 2:49 PM
Cramer was on CNBC chastising Gasparino , what an idiot. He just can,t keep his pie hole shut. He actually beleives he is the center of the universe. If anything puts Cramer in jail, it will be his arrogant loud mouth.
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By rtway1 on 3/28/2006 2:52 PM
You gotta admit this is really getting to be entertaining, kind of like an episode of survivor. We have to see how the council will vote to see who gets thrown under the bus.
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By dave on 3/28/2006 3:03 PM
Greenberg and Cramer could learn a lesson from Redmond / Remond. Sometimes you have to know when to shut your pie hole.

Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By dave on 3/28/2006 3:04 PM
Maybe Cramer thinks his friend Spitzer will save him at the last minute?
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By InTheKnow on 3/28/2006 3:26 PM
CNBC is your allegience to the millions of investors that watch your shows or is it to the goddamn malcontents that permeate your shows?
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By old duffer on 3/28/2006 3:46 PM
Every time I checked the infomercial ,aka, CNBC the talk was about "so called independent research".

Lotta worried looking folk on the Tee Vee today! Wonder if they might already be missin good ole Jimmy Cramer as all this starts to come to light.You know about the low hang fruit, right?

As for missing Herb????Nah, who would miss that lout?
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By gregcable2002 on 3/28/2006 3:46 PM
I sure hope they take the last 4 paragraphs to heart here because all the signs are here.You guys need to do whats in your best INTEREST and protect yourselves when the pack turns on you.
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By rtway1 on 3/28/2006 4:00 PM
Once all the fun is gone with Herbie and Jimmy, most people will probably start watching Bloomberg or Fox anyway. This lawsuit is the only thing that will help their ratings. I just can,t get enough of that whiny Becky Quik and her Jeff Matthews attitude.
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By Cramer Trainwreck on 3/28/2006 4:46 PM
Cramer is getting to the point of the antithesis of Peter Finch's character on "Network"....the man is a friggin trainwreck....I expect an on-air nervous breakdown..
CNBC will milk him to the bitter end for earnings....he's so screwed
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By pascolator on 3/28/2006 5:30 PM
From USA Today ..

The legal threats, regulators' attention and increased competition aren't making Bettis and Vickrey back down.

Their gusto is clear from the "Gradientisms" hanging in frames around the modest headquarters such as "The fox is in charge at the henhouse" and "A healthy dose of skepticism."

http://www.usatoday.com/money/markets/us/2006-03-27-gradient-scrutiny_x.htm
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By th_yal on 3/28/2006 6:14 PM
The fox is in charge of the hen house?

They sure are rubbing the regulators' faces in it.
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By Chris "Limpy" Cox on 3/28/2006 8:27 PM
Hey what day is this? Must be Tuesday and I escaped getting a call from the White House ove rthe 60 Minutes program like I did when those journalists' subpoenas went out. Whew! What to do? Maybe schedule some more meetings with elderly people cause they are really gullible when I tell the I am protecting them. Yawn. Maybe more trips overseas? This FTD thing is getting out of hand and I don't want to be in America when it blows. I thought about doing something about it but I have been warned better to leave that to the crooks to solve. Yeh thats it-don't interfer with the money boyz. Well maybe I can just look sitting at my desk looking good without doing a damn thing tomorrow. I think that's the ticket. Oh Wednesday, Wednesday!
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By pascolator on 3/28/2006 10:03 PM
Wall Street Journal March 29 JESSE EISINGER makes a complete fool of himself and the WSJ.. tell me I am not dreaming .. Does he really believe what he wrote and more importantly.. does the WSJ concur

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB114360081356310812.html?mod=todays_us_money_and_investing

What's really happening is that the SEC is displaying alarming credulity about allegations leveled by a chief executive who has been the target of critical Wall Street analysis and articles. In doing so, the agency has provided a clear roadmap for CEOs of that ilk: Whine loudly enough that there is a conspiracy afoot to harm your company and the agency can be made to do your bidding.

even if Overstock and Biovail are overvalued dogs deserving of SEC investigation themselves

"It's appropriate for market manipulators to think twice before trying to use journalists to mislead investors," said John Nester, an SEC spokesman, speaking generally. "We don't believe the policy chills law abiders from communicating with the press."

That's naive. Even though the SEC is on solid legal ground now, it's stubbornly compounding its initial mistake by persisting in this line of inquiry. That should trouble any investor who expects the SEC to be spending taxpayer money wisely and not hindering the free flow of information.

Write to Jesse Eisinger at longandshort@wsj.com and let him no he just made a complete fool of himself and his newspaper
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By Rvac106 on 3/29/2006 12:21 AM
I taped cramer yesterday, just to see if he'd have anything on about greenberg and the latest. He reads an 'email' just received, purportedly from PByrne, mildly castigating HG and JC for 'never writing or calling anymore,' since the role reversal of the 'journalist/entertainers,' and how they are themselves on the wrong side of the 'big conspiracy,' now....

Then, of course, JC wadded up the message, and tossed it aside with disdain.

He then spent a few minutes warning his audience of investors to do their own due diligence, that one shouldn't buy in the after hours, the only ones selling at that time with the markets closed are agenda driven SHORT SELLERS. Woweeeee! Now, our knight with the shining bald spot can point and say, 'See, I'm not doin' what they say I've been doin', I ain't, I ain't!'

To them, I say, go to hell.

To us, I say,

Carry on.

RVAC
Re: Were You Lying Then or Are You Lying Now Redux.... By troydian on 3/29/2006 7:06 AM
I wonder if gradients super software picked up on all the trading ..selling.. going on at tscm?

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