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Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer

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Posted by:   bobo 3/10/2006 10:52 PM

(Note - at the end of this section's glossary, you will find my comments, rather than in the comments section.)

The following is my new creation for the site tonight - Stock Counterfeiting. I'm trying to capture how, precisely, all of this happens, with a glossary at the end, not alphabetically, but rather, logically organized. Check it out, and let me know where I ran off the reservation, if at all...

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Stock Counterfeiting

In the old days, stock counterfeiting was a matter of using cumbersome paper and ink, and forging signatures. Nowadays, as almost all “stock” is really electronic book-entries kept in the DTC’s ledger, it is much easier. And there are numerous ways to achieve the same stock counterfeiting effect.

The most obvious is naked short selling, or “failing to deliver”.

First, an unscrupulous seller sells some “stock. Second, he fails to deliver it.

In the 3 days between when he sells it, and when he is supposed to deliver it, the buyer’s broker will credit the buyer’s account with something called a “Securities Entitlement.” When the seller fails to deliver the shares on day three, legally, per the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) Section 8, the “Securities Entitlement” becomes invalid, and should be removed from the buyer’s account.

But because the buyer’s broker got paid his commission already, he doesn’t want to have to “bust the trade” because of non-delivery (and return the commissions), so he will just keep that now invalid “Securities Entitlement” in the buyer’s account, representing it as real and valid.

That is one form of counterfeit stock, as the buyer thinks it is real, and yet it has none of the rights that a real stock has – voting rights, dividend rights, etc. And the brokers treat these fake, invalid “Securities Entitlements” as real, and will allow the buyer to sell them to the next chump – they sort of have to allow them to, as they've been representing them as real all along.

Because this practice is not limited to just a few bad brokers, it can be said to be an institutional, or systemic, problem. Everyone on the Wall Street side of the fence wants to treat those fake “Securities Entitlements” as real – the only ones that lose by the fake, invalid “Securities Entitlements” being in the system are investors, and the companies affected.

For Wall Street it is literally free money.

A valid “Securities Entitlement” ALWAYS has a corresponding book-entry with a corresponding paper share at the DTC’s ledger. A fake, invalid “Securities Entitlement” doesn’t – so it is falsely represented to have the rights of the real thing – exactly like a counterfeit. Hence the term counterfeit stock.

This first description is the mechanism where naked short selling, or “failing to deliver”, can create counterfeit stock.

Another method of stock counterfeiting occurs when a “failure to deliver” occurs and is cured by the NSCC’s Stock Borrow Program. In that instance, stock is lent from an anonymous, self-replenishing pool at the DTC, and is delivered to the buyer. But the shares that were lent from the DTC to the NSCC have “Securities Entitlements” up at the broker level that were backed by the now-lent shares, creating yet another way of achieving the same end-result – counterfeit stock, or rather, invalid “Securities Entitlements” represented as real to investors.

Yet another method of stock counterfeiting occurs when brokers lend shares from margin accounts, and fail to alert the margin account investors that the “Securities Entitlements” are now NOT backed by the corresponding electronic book-entry anymore, as that book-entry has been lent. Again, these are invalid, fake “Securities Entitlements” per the UCC Sec. 8, and thus counterfeit stock.


When a naked short seller fails to borrow shares to deliver to the buyer, he fails delivery to the NSCC – the intermediary in the trade. So he has a Failure to Deliver (FTD) sitting there at the NSCC – an IOU to the NSCC for shares. The NSCC is in charge of guaranteeing delivery to the buyer, so the NSCC either dips into the SBP and borrows some shares to give to the buyer, or if there aren't enough shares at the SBP the trade moves “Ex-Clearing” – outside of the DTCC system.

“Ex-Clearing” is where the buying broker and the selling broker make a contractual agreement to handle delivery of the shares off-line, outside the system. Nobody polices these arrangements, so there is no way of knowing when, if ever, the shares are delivered – that is between the two brokers.

This results in share counterfeiting, as the buyer is represented to have received valid “Share Entitlements” when in fact they are nothing of the sort, until the book-entry shares are delivered – which may never happen.

So share counterfeiting can occur in a number of ways, but always because of the same factors – the buyer’s broker misrepresents invalid “Share Entitlements” as real to his client.

That is why “over-voting” occurs – there are more “Share Entitlements” at the brokers than there are shares to support them at the DTC, and in order to continue misrepresenting the fakes as real, they have to allow investors to vote those fakes, as though real.

Pretty simple. It is all driven by Wall Street not wanting to have to give back commissions when shares are un-delivered. So a flood of fake “Share Entitlements” – counterfeit shares – are traded in the system as real, and as long as all the brokers treat the fakes as though they are real, everyone on the industry side of the fence wins big – more trades, more commissions, more shares with which to drive down prices for the large, super-important customers of Wall Street – the hedge funds. That is what is known as creating “liquidity” by creating fake shares. It is pervasive, and the SEC and DTCC refuse to tell anyone exactly how big the problem is, or to divulge the size of the problem by company.

Everyone on Wall Street – the financial press, the brokers, the DTCC/NSCC/DTC, the research firms, the banks – all have a ton to lose by this being understood by Main Street America.

 

Naked Short Selling & Stock Manipulation

The reason why stock counterfeiting is used by stock manipulators is because they can profit by driving the price of a company’s stock down. Without getting into the myriad number of ways to profit, suffice it to say that there are many ways to do so, including legal short selling. The key to a manipulation is to drive the price down. Naked short selling is one effective way to do so, as the manipulator can flood the market on thinly traded stock, causing the price to decline as supply exceeds demand. Some investors will sell out of fear, some because of trading theories (if a stock drops more than X, sell first, and then ask questions later), some because of margin calls – all help the manipulator maintain downward momentum.

Some manipulators aim to drive a company out of business, by exhausting the company’s capability to raise cash by selling its equity. Others merely seek to drop the price, and then keep the price low, covering their shorts with the shares being sold at or near the bottom due to the factors listed above, or investor exhaustion, or sentiment that the stock is a dog.

All of these manipulative techniques exploit the loopholes that the system has introduced by allowing clearing and settling to be de-linked from one another. In the old days, nobody got paid commissions until the stock was delivered. Now, everyone gets paid commissions when the trade is booked (cleared), and delivery is an afterthought.

By flooding the market with sales transactions that they know will create a flood of fake “Securities Entitlements” on delivery day, the fraudsters use the system to facilitate their stock manipulations – they know that buying brokers will not bust the trade, even if they don’t deliver the shares, thus they are secure in their scheme – the system will cover for them. And it does. Buy-ins are unheard of in actual practice, thus a manipulator has no dis-incentive to using this type of manipulation technique.

 

Terms:

 

Short Selling: A legal trading technique where a seller borrows stock, and then sells it, delivering it to the buyer. The seller is hoping for a price decline before he buys it back in the market to return to the lender.

Naked Short Selling: A generally-illegal trading technique where no stock is borrowed by the seller, and no stock is delivered to the buyer.

Buy-In: Where the buyer’s broker, having failed to receive shares, “Buys-in” the shares in the open market, and debits the failed seller’s account for the funds.

Share Entitlement: A marker that represents a share held at the DTC.

Fake or Invalid Share Entitlement: A marker that falsely claims to be representing a share held at the DTC, but in reality has no underlying share to support it.

DTC: The Depository Trust Company – subsidiary of the DTCC, it acts as the share vault for paper shares, and converts them into electronic book-entries – one book-entry per one share.

Book-Entry: An electronic representation of a share.

DTCC: The Depository Trust Clearing Corporation – clears and settles virtually all trades in the US.

NSCC: National Stock Clearing Corporation – subsidiary of the DTCC, acts as the “back office” of a bank, handling debits/credits for stock trades (basically handles the money) and acts as the contra-party in all trades.

Contra-Party: Middleman who guarantees shares to a buyer, and money to the seller. Legally bound to deliver both.

Clearing, clears: Processing the buy/sell, paying the commissions.

Settling, settles: Delivering the shares.

FTD: Failure to Deliver – where a sales transaction is performed, but the seller fails to deliver the shares on T+3.

T+3: Transaction day plus 3 business days. Legally, when shares must be delivered.

SBP: Stock Borrow Program – a program at the NSCC where shares are available from the DTC, on loan, to cover temporary delivery failures.

Self-Replenishing: The SBP is operated on the honor system, and it allows member brokers to put shares into the anonymous pool of shares in the SBP, to loan to the NSCC. It is said to be self-replenishing because once a share is borrowed by the NSCC, and delivered to the buyer, the buyer’s broker is free to put that same share back into the pool, to be relent out again to someone else. In that manner, one genuine share can give birth to a daisy chain of fake "Security Entitlements" at the brokers.

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I actually took the work of Tommytoyz, and of Dr. Jim DeCosta, both of whom spent hundreds of hours researching the impact of how the counterfeit stock actually gets created., and did the work to read everything available at the DTCC site, and then discussed it with ex-SEC folks and an academician.

Tommy, especially, is on top of the violation of UCC 8 that maintaining bogus "Securities Entitlements" in customer accounts produces.

He has been instrumental in some work that NCANS has done involving that breach.

As to naked short selling, I think it is pretty clear that there is a DIFFERENT violation involved than counterfeiting, namely failing to deliver within T+3 ,and stock manipulation.

So to be clear, naked short selling, or failure to deliver, is the left side of the equation. It is the root cause of one sort of stock counterfeiting - the failure to deliver the shares. What that does is causes the system to the counterfeit stock, in the manner I described.

As to, "Where's the proof" - simple.

Over-voting. The only way that over-voting happens is when there are more "Securities Entitlements" than there are book-entries at the DTC. Only way.

Now some may argue that some stock counterfeiting is legal, i.e. that the sort arising from margin lending is legal. That is highly questionable, as the UCC is clear that a "Securities Entitlement" REQUIRES a corresponding book-entry.

Fungible bulk is another complicator, as one has to take into account ALL shares held by a broker in book-entry at the DTC, versus the number of "Securities Entitlements" in the total of their accounts. If there are more "Securities Entitlements", then the overage is counterfeit stock, or more precisely, something other than valid "Securities Entitlements."

Jim DeCosta invented the term Pseudo Borrow and Pseudo shares. I use the more precise legal term "Invalid" or "Fake Securities Entitlement." Because that is what he is referring to with the term pseudo shares - "Securities Entitlements" lacking the corresponding book entry at the DTC - and thus lacking the value of a real share (the parcel of rights that comprise a stock's value - the right to vote, right to a dividend and corresponding tax treatment, etc.).

I discuss this at length in Symphony of Greed. There are numerous separate issues, but they all boil down to: how is the fake Securities Entitlement created (which is my explanation in this Stock Counterfeiting section) - exactly how, and where, in the system; and what causes that to happen? The answer to the second is, a multitude of things cause it to happen. Naked short selling is one large cause. Broker larceny is another.

Ex-clearing is interesting, because all it achieves is to circumvent T+3 delivery via an "out-of-system" contractual agreement. The EFFECT of this contract is to result in fake "Securities Entitlements" to be generated at the RECEIVING broker. Which is also stock counterfeiting.

So here's the net net - this is a little bit of a "what kills people, guns or bullets?" issue.

Think of the naked short seller as one kind of gun. Think of fake securities entitlements as bullets.

What are the various guns?

Naked short selling is a huge one.
The SBP is one, because it enables multiple "Securities Entitlements" backed by only one share.
Margin lending is one.
Ex-clearing is sort of a silencer, not a pure gun - it requires failed delivery - the gun.

The bullets are fake, or invalid, "Securities Entitlements."

It is the creation of these, and the trading of these, that represents the stock counterfeiting issue.

One can easily refer to UCC 8 to see what constitutes a valid "Securities Entitlement" and what doesn't. UCC 8 requires that a financial asset be secured and maintained, in a one for one ratio, for the "SE" to be valid. When shares aren't delivered as expected on T+3, that results in the creation of fake "SEs".

So saying that it isn't the fault of the naked short seller is worse than specious. Of course it is - they have violated the rules requiring delivery at T+3. Further, if they are doing so to drive a price down, they are violating 10(b)5.

What they are NOT doing is printing shares. They don't have to. The system does it for them.

As to the counterfeiting statute, I don't disagree with the statutes. I guess it is unclear who would be charged with it. My gut says the NSCC and the brokers.

So pseudo borrows and pseudo shares is nothing more than other terms for "fake/invalid Securities Entitlement".

Since the SEC uses the term Securities Entitlement to define what is being used as a "marker" or IOU" when it is being used legitimately, I think that using the same, consistent terminology is critical in speaking the same language - Fake or Invalid Securities Entitlement is the "correct" term for "CEBE" (counterfeit electronic book-entry) or "pseudo share" or "counterfeit share."

Again. Genuine, valid SE has a one-for-one corresponding book-entry share at the DTC.

Fake, or invalid SE has no corresponding book-entry share at the DTC.

One is a genuine representation, or "claim on title" to a legitimate share.

The other is not a legitimate "claim on title" to anything, as no book-entry share exists on the requisite one-for-one basis upon which to lay that claim.

Clear?

Copyright ©2006 Bob O'Brien
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Comments (60)
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By InTheKnow on 3/10/2006 11:42 PM
What we have here is the Mother of all Ponzi Schemes.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By rvac106 on 3/10/2006 11:43 PM
Nicely done. At the risk of sounding like someone else, I need to ask a question:

It's been asked before, and we've heard many versions of how this is done, but here it is:

Is there any proof? What is the proof?

I believe everything you say. I'm one of the first to have come out and said we have to get Joe Sixpack involved, and the Union Pension Plan boards, 'cause they're (and we're) the ones that are getting the short end of the stick. All of the pensioners that have been, and are, getting screwed.

I'm not talking about connecting the dots. You know what I mean.... None of: If this is happening, then this must be happening.

We know that everybody is avoiding having to spell it out, or even reporting on it. We know that Senators, and Congressmen, are aware of what's going on, and are doing nothing about it. We even know that some officials do things that are already illegal, and get away with it anyway. I'm rambling.

A list of proofs. There are too many arguments on both sides. That's the trouble.

A list (it can be very short) of proofs.

You broke it down very clearly this time around. We're getting to the absolute essence. I personally need you to go one more step.

At your convenience, of course.

RVAC
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By CMKX Latest on 3/11/2006 9:52 AM
This post has been moved to the CMKX forum in the Forums section
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By clearthinker on 3/11/2006 9:33 AM
counterfeiting - like counterfeiting money - everyone has those yellow pens but in this case no one uses them because they know they can pass the fake around, so "it's good for the economy"....Increased # of shares trades means more commissions, fees, more money for offshore hedge funds, more money for CNBC sponsors...and of course PIPE's add to the picture...pick a small company in need of money that has shaky financials, give em a little $ to get control of the stock, and short the victim to zero, and then blame management...and while you're at it, get journalists to do the heavy lifting (or dropping)


Patrick was right - the perfect crime......
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By ginger on 3/11/2006 9:36 AM

BoBo, I believe you may have run off the reservation at the very beginning with...

" ... First, an unscrupulous seller sells some “stock. Second, he fails to deliver it ..."

It's not clear that the unscrupulus seller is not "Joe Public", but is an unscrupulus broker/dealer acting as an agent for "Joe Public". When a reader tries to put oneself in the picture, most will fail to see this and conclude that since they can't personally sell fake shares, it just can't be done.



Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By rtway1 on 3/11/2006 9:36 AM
A friend of mine who owns a construction business was in Russia just a few years ago to bid on some work their. While he was there he was reminded how poor the vast majority of the people were and the gentleman, who was actually a M.D. who was part of this business venture related to my friend that the general public had more faith in the Russian mafia than the government, because the government was so corrupt. All the time they were there my friend noticed how many people were driving big Mercedes Benzes. He pointed this out to the M.D. and made mention that if these people were so bad off how could they afford all of these Mercedes. The doctor smiled to my friend and pointed out that this was a business in Russia. They would(theives) would steal the cars in Europe and bring them back to Russia and re-title them. Same thing as counterfeit stocks.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By old duffer on 3/11/2006 9:43 AM
Why don't we educate some Hollywood moviemaker on this and see if we can get him to make a movie exposing this crime.

Nah, to connected to the dirty money there too I'd bet.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By bobo on 3/11/2006 9:59 AM
CMKX: It is not doing anyone any good to mention CMKX every other post on this thread. I have created a forum for it in the Forums section, and that is where it is appropriate to discuss it.

This blog is confined to my article describing stock counterfeiting. Suggested changes, or edits. Or just general observations.

It is not the forum to discuss specific companies or issues. That is why you don't see it here - it is off-point to this specific blog entry.

Use the forums. Get kindreds to post over there. But reposting letters and releases about mark writing a book clog this thread, and are counter-productive to your cause. Ditto for missives imploring us not to abandon you.

We aren't. But this isn't the CMKX discussion thread, either. This is not a thread where any specific companies are being discussed. Please follow that etiquette.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By edward manfredonia on 3/11/2006 10:03 AM
I provided Gary Weiss with 99% of the information that appeared in the article, Scandal On Wall Street. This article exposed criminal activty at the American Stock Exchange.

I provided the information for the article that exposed option price fixing and illegal trading by specialists- especially the illegal trading of the stock of Hemispherx Biopharma by Joseph Giamanco Sr., the American Stock Exchange specialist in Hemispherx.

If you wish to know how Gary Weiss assisted Manuel Asensio in the shorting of Hemispherx Biopharma, please visit my website, WallStreetScandals.com

I shall provide you with one hint: In the 28 September 1999 issue of BusinessWeek, Weiss authored an article, Why Hemispherx Could Take Sick. This article quoted Manuel Asensio as stating that he (Asensio) had placed a 0 value on the stock of Hemispherx. Yet, when the stock price collapsed, Asensio purchased his short shares of Hemispherx. Asensio and his cohorts earned millions of dollars.

Please visit my website, WallStreetScandals.com

Click on the section, GAME ON, Manfredonia v Weiess

Then, read the letter to Julie Riewe, SEC staff attorney. This letter appears under the subheading, naked shorting.

I wish teh truth to be known.

Thannk you.
Edward Manfredonia
edwallstr@hotmail.com
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By dave on 3/11/2006 10:40 AM
I had drinks last night with a guy who is an expert in the clearing system. He said the best thing Patrick could do is to roll back his stock (so there are less shares outstanding), then change the name of the company and CUSIP number. (It could be a minor name change.)

He could always do a forward split, but the roll back / CUSIP combination would force everyone that is short to cover.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By dave on 3/11/2006 10:43 AM
RVAC, the proof is the SRO list of companies that according to the SEC, have been abusively shorted.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By dave on 3/11/2006 11:18 AM
Edward, I read the lawsuit. Wow! What's the story behind the story. How do you know Gary Weiss?
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By ginger on 3/11/2006 11:20 AM
US Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs discussing the illegal NSS/FTD (Naked Short Shares)

In the following link, click on video archive where it says: "click here to view hearing" and drag the slider to the 1hr:19min:35sec mark where the Senator questions William Donaldson on Naked Short Sales (FTD).

http://banking.senate.gov/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Hearings.Detail&HearingID=140
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By mhatmccane on 3/11/2006 11:29 AM
Bidrec

A question on loaning shares to short sellers: the institution loaning the shares gets a monthly payment from the shorts, the stock falls, goes to zero and is de-listed. Do the monthly payments continue? Do the shorts cover at .05 or .10 per share and pay back the loan? Do the institutions have a "trigger point" in the stock price falling that would call in the borrowed stock and hopefully reverse the price fall? I've heard that naked short sellers make the money when a stock fails by not having to buy in but haven't heard about the short sellers who aren't naked - ie who borrowed.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By edward manfredonia on 3/11/2006 11:40 AM
On 8 February 2006 I wrote a letter to Ms. Julie Riewe, an SEC attorney, and detailed the means by which Gary Weiss assisted Manuel Asensio in driving down the price of Hemispherx Biopharma. Prior to the appearance of the article, Why Hemispherx Could Take Sick,in the 28 September 1998 issue of BusinessWeek, Manuel Asensio increased his short position in the stock of Hemipsherx Biopharma. In the article Gary Weiss quoted Asensio as stating that Asensio had placed a $0 value on the stock of Hemispherx Biopharma. But after the appearance of the article, Why Hemispherx Could Take Sick, Asensio purchased his short Hemispherx Stock.

Not only that but prior to the appearance of the article, Why Hemispherx Could Take Sick, Asensio increased substantially his short position in Hemispherx.

By authoring the article, Why Hemispherx Could Take Sick, Weiss assisted Asensio in earning millions of dollars.

And I had been told, Spear Leeds and Kellogg finally ordered Asensio to find another clearing house because of the debacle of Hemispherx.

For more information, please visit my website, WallStreetScandals.com

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Edward Manfredonia
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By mhatmccane on 3/11/2006 11:45 AM
Bidrec

Question on loaning shares to increase income.

If the stock price drops to zero and stock is delisted, do the loan payments continue? I have heard that the naked shorters make out by not having to buy in but what about legitimate shorters who borrowed?
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By kuklafran on 3/11/2006 1:11 PM
Great website -- a treasure trove of information! Just wanted to say how gratifying it is to find all this terrific information in one source. I am particularly disturbed by the nexus between stock fraud and so-called journalists. That must be stopped. The things that I have read on this site concerning some of these TV personalities and the hacks that claim to be providing information to the public, well they are just disgusting to me as an American.

I plan to do some more research on my own as I think that bad journalism is a problem not just from the political perspective but from the perspective of America as a whole. So thank you again bunny for your good work on this.
THIS IS CULTURAL WARFARE. PERIOD. By aNON on 3/11/2006 2:08 PM
This is absolutely a rigged system. Rigged to destroy anybody that tries to do business in a way that interferes with the Riggers pre-existing business. If you have a good business idea and you won't sell the rights to the Riggers then the Riggers will sink your stock and ruin your business. NSS is a huge gun aimed straight at the OTHER GUY who isn't as aware of this evolutionary cultural entity.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By bobo on 3/11/2006 2:32 PM
CMKX. Again, I am not the enemy of CMKX. But this blog is not about that. It is about whether the characterization of stock counterfeiting is accurate or not.

I would strongly suggest that you consider whether you are doing yourself and readers of this blog a service or a disservice by trying to redirect the discussion to CMKX. I would say a disservice. If you want Bud and Dave and Mark to discuss CMKX, go to their blogs and suggest it.

But on this particular blog - my blog - that isn't the topic, any more than Global Links or Nanopierce or Eagletech or Sedona. Because that is NOT what we are talking about here today.

I created a forum for you. Use it. If you can't, or feel that disrupting this thread is preferable, your posts will be eliminated as clogging.

Final Warning. This blog is about stock counterfeiting, specifically, and whether the description I have offered is accurate.

Clear?
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By Anon on 3/11/2006 3:29 PM
What you also need to do is explain the threshold list, why and how stocks are on it, and why and how the rules requiring buy-ins, or bona fide locates of share borrow are not followed or enforced.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By rtway1 on 3/11/2006 3:39 PM
It sounds like a broken record but what Mary has said validates the obvious, once you get those shares in your hands the pool is drying up aand when the numbers are counted the poop hits the blades. Get your shares from your broker. You never hear anything from these paid off bloggers saying anything in regards to getting your certificates, because they don,t want anybody to bring it up.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By Sledge on 3/11/2006 4:55 PM
Bobo

This is off topic from this blog but I think people need to view and listen to the following links. What you will listen to is a ninety minute video that will blow you away. I just came across this video today.

I would like you to post this message here if you would and then start a thread and move this message with the following links there if you could

View the first two charts keeping in mind the end of 2001 and going forward, and then view the video.

Talk about an alleged government conspiracy.... check it out! Unreal!

http://www.tfc-charts.w2d.com/chart/GD/M

http://www.tfc-charts.w2d.com/chart/CO/M

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848









Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By Kuma on 3/11/2006 5:24 PM
Sorry if i am being redundant or hazy.

I think that somehow someway that you need to get trust built immediately. I think the Senate video does that because there just is no denying it. The thieves have done everything possible to cause skepticism with the cause particualrily by attacking Patrick. No trust, no listen. For example a family member kept emailing these misinformation Patrick articles to me. Square one is you have to get the trust out there. I think one of the best explanations out there is the video of the Senate Banking hearing and the article where the insiders own more shares than exist. Maybe even say listen I know you are trying not to believe this. I have been and others have been through the same feelings that you are probably having right now. This cannot be true. It is true and here are a couple of quick examples that proove it. Just some more ideas.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By Dusty Smith on 3/11/2006 5:44 PM
Keep in mind that normal and legal short selling creates entitlements whose entitlement tier does not link back to the DTCC, and this is legal and acceptable. If I have entitlements "tiered" to the DTCC, and I allow my broker to lend my shares in a short sale, and my broker delivers shares (my secured entitlements) to the new buyer... then it's the new buyer who receives the entitlements tiered to the DTCC, and my entitlements are now tiered to my broker and then to the short seller. They are legal entitlements none the less, and regardless where the tier stops, the Article 8 obligations of my broker are the same - to provide (me) the dividends and distributions of the issuer, and to exercise the rights of ownership on my behalf.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By Kuma on 3/11/2006 6:13 PM
Really good Bob.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By bobo on 3/11/2006 6:33 PM

we have a bug that is putting the newer comments in the middle of the blog. That is annoying.

I'll see if I can locate the footage from the Senate hearing and put it front and center. I agree that is a good idea.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By rtway1 on 3/11/2006 9:17 PM
We must keep saying it Mary,"GET YOUR CERTIFICATES FROM YOUR BROKER" even the paid off bloggers don,t want to talk about people getting their shares in hand. Wonder why? RIGHT
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer - HERE'S THE V I D E O By ginger on 3/11/2006 10:11 PM
In the following link, click on video archive where it says: "click here to view hearing" and drag the slider to the 1hr:19min:35sec mark where the Senator questions William Donaldson on Naked Short Sales (FTD).

http://banking.senate.gov/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Hearings.Detail&HearingID=140
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By InTheKnow on 3/11/2006 10:36 PM
The settlement system is broken. They for sure know it and we know it. They have said they know it. All the people there know it. The SEC knows it, the banking committee knows it.

SETTLE THE TRADES or SETTLE IN JAIL! NOW, NOW, NOW!
Add a "What to do section" By Cynic on 3/11/2006 11:57 PM
1. Get your stock in paper certificates. (add some help to those with IRA accounts. Ameritrade told be a paper certificate will trigger a taxable event from my IRA)
2. A list of officials that need to hear from the public with quick e-mail links.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By troydian on 3/12/2006 12:53 PM
Here is a great idea..imo get Patrick O Brein from ostk to guest THE DAILY show with Jon Stewart the naked short could segway into the story of the year... http://www.comedycentral.com/help/questionsCC.jhtml
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By adegracia1950 on 3/12/2006 1:03 PM
Ginger,
Thanks for the link to the senate hearing. Senator Bennet put it out plain and simple. Donald tried to diverge and focus on short selling and Senator Bennet brought him right back to the problem of naked short selling and the failure of REG SHO. For those of you that have not viewded this, you need to look at this.

Alan
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By InTheKnow on 3/12/2006 1:20 PM
A nice read at Dave Patches InvestigateTheSec.com:

http://www.investigatethesec.com/20060312DP.htm
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By CMKX Latest on 3/12/2006 2:20 PM
This post has been deleted.

Congratulations. You have managed to become personna non grata here. I hope that has achieved your desired result. Perhaps I was being too hasty in providing you a forum where you can discuss your thoughts - it appears you just want to be annoying. You have been. Again, congratulations.

Rod Young's comments before the SEC commissioners is a bit different than you posting letters from an attorney notifying shareholders that they should get their certificates, or that Mark is writing a book. We know he is writing a book. He has said so. It nas no bearing on this topic - Rod's comments have.

Your posts will now be automatically deleted. If that was you desired end result, it was a brilliant way to go about it. Feel free to use the forum, but if you make that ugly I can delete it in a second. Any questions?
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By troydiam on 3/12/2006 2:02 PM
Here is a great idea..imo get Patrick Byrne from ostk to guest THE DAILY show with Jon Stewart the naked short could segway into the story of the year... http://www.comedycentral.com/help/questionsCC.jhtml
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By bidrec on 3/13/2006 8:00 PM
mhatmccane



The hedge fund gets the stock from its broker who gets the stock from the institution by putting up collateral of 102%. If the stock is not hard to borrow then the institution pays a rebate to the hedge fund which is equal to part of the interest earned from reinvesting the collateral. If the stock is hard to borrow then the rebate is "negative" and the hedge fund pays the institution. The terms of the loan are subject to renegotiation every day. If the price of the stock drops then part of the collateral is returned to the borrower to maintain the collateral at 102%. If the stock is no longer hard to borrow then the rebate will be less negative and go back to flowing from the stock lender to the stock borrower. If the lender wants to vote the stock then he must recall it. The borrower will manufacture any dividends. In fact, if the lender wants the stock back the broker will try to find other stock to return in its place, and, it is actually the broker that arranges for the dividend to be paid on time. The broker takes the money out of the hedge funds account.

As the stock drops in value both the collateral and payments drop as well.

< Do the shorts cover at .05 or .10 per share and pay back the loan?> I do not know. It can take years for bankruptcy to be official.

< Do the institutions have a "trigger point" in the stock price falling that would call in the borrowed stock and hopefully reverse the price fall?> I do not think that this type of abusive shorting has been going on long enough for there to be a history to look at.

I personally believe that the short sellers believe they have the stock to short. If there is nakedness it is between the hedge fund's broker and the lending institution. I think the broker will tell the hedge fund that they have the stock before they (the broker) have taken delivery. The prime broker is a big winner in all this. One of the important things here is that since t+3 is actually t+whatever there is no chance of a squeeze. Much of the work of locating the securities and paying dividends-in-lieu is done by algorithms--computers, this is why so few people can answer questions about this shorting.
I have shorted stock: The idea is to borrow at say eight dollars, sell the stock, wait for the stock to fall to six (or some other lower number) buy it back, return it, and keep the difference.

Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By Y on 3/11/2006 2:06 AM
From “the answer guy” by George Mannes
Money magazine

"Q
I was told in 1999 that money in the S&P 500 Index Fund would easily double in 7 ½ years. But 6 ½ years later, my $10,000 S&P investment is worth only $10,500. Is a CD a better choice?

Answer
Um, how soon do you need the money?
Over the past 20 years, the total return of Standard and Poor’s 500 stock index has averaged 12.2% a year. At that rate, your money would have doubled in about six years – and you would have earned much more than the average 6.2% that five year certificates of deposit have yielded annually since 1984.

But long term averages don’t always translate into short term forecasts, as you painfully learned after buying into the S&P only months before its peak in 2000. You’ll never get a guarantee that, in any single year or set of years, the S&P will achieve its average return or outperform a CD.

So if you need the money soon and can’t run the risk of an S&P decline in 2006, park it in a CD, which protects your principal and offers a fixed yield (lately 4.1% for a one year CD). But if you can wait a decade for your money, stick with stocks because it’s reasonable to bes they’ll regain their traditional lead over CDs. Stay in low cost index funds, such as XXXXX and be patient. It’s no sure thing but history will be on your side."

My comment – If history is on our side, the market mill crooks will find a way to make your $10,000 theirs instead and you will go into retirement penniless and destitute while they whoop it up drinking appletinis in their Hampton mansions discussing which bank they can open another $100,000 federally insured savings account in.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By InTheKnow on 3/11/2006 4:45 AM
You need proof:

www.investigatethesec.com
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By leonofus on 3/11/2006 5:15 AM
I love you Bobo, but I know you didn't sit down with a textbook and do this. You were helped by a scholarly type source who probably has provided the information to the authorities.

I expect Cramer to be Cramer, Greenberg and Rocker to be true to their sorry selves, and that's what law enforcement is for. The true crime is that our representatives, from SEC to the Congress and Senate, and to the President, who knows of this, will not protect us. They are the true miscreants, and need to be brought to justice. Everyone hear, as we win this, we need to punish all the guilty. I want revenge, and I shall have it. Oh, the Press. Don't forget that scum.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By mhelburn on 3/11/2006 5:22 AM
The proof is the SHO list. The proof is the resistance to transparency. The proof is the volatility in stocks. The proof is the insane arguments coming from the complicit media as well as the threats to whistleblowers who are told that they will never work in the industry again. The twisting of the words of the SEC Chairman about the subpoenas that were issued to Jim Cramer, TSCM, Herb Greenberg and Carol Remond by Cramer, Greenberg and the rest of the NY press demonstrates that they don't want the real issues discussed. Their trying to make this a protected speech/protected source argument when the issue is investigating market manipulation demonstrates that there is a real criminality and they are trying desperately to hide it.

The courts and enforcement will bring this out, but it would be good to have a reward program for whistleblowers. It is hard to compete with the bonuses that were given out this last year by Wall Street. Through their attorneys and their media shills, we heard from the crooked hedge funds who are opposed to discovery and from the DTCC whose managers are lying about their responsibility in settling. They have made loopholes so that they can claim that they are not responsible for ex-clearing fails. We have not heard from the specific market makers and the brokers who are responsible for the selling of counterfeit stock for these current cases. But we have seen how this is done with Refco. The brokerages are pretending that what they are doing is legitimate by paying huge bonuses and passing the ill-gotten gains down to their employees.

The huge bonuses are used to keep the rank and file workers in the brokerages in line. Breaking rank is unlikely when the ill-gotten profits are passed on to the lower worker in the brokerages. This is a corrupt system with Dons, capos and underlings.

Many of the workers do not understand where the money is being siphoned off. Many of the brokers and representatives don't even know about the stock lending programs offered by the brokers. If all clients were knowledgeable about the lending programs, they would not borrow and would instead collect the interest on the stocks that are being lent out rather than allow the brokerages to collect margin interest from them and interest on the stocks that the brokers are lending out of their accounts. It is possible for the brokers to be collecting 12% on the stocks that they are lending out and an additional 8 to 10% on the margin loan. The spread on the margin loan could be as much as 6%. It could be higher depending on how much the account is leveraged. If a person has a 100K and leverages to 50% they can buy 200K worth of a stock that may pay a 20% dividend. The person thinks that they are doing well to get the 40K in dividends and pay 10K in interest. They net 30% and take home about 15% after taxes. The broker collects 12% on the stock loan of 200K which is 24K and a 6% spread on the margin interest. The brokerage makes as much as the client and the client has all the risk. The client could reduce risk and go to cash, collect the 20% dividend, pay no interest, and collect 9% on the stock loan (which the broker is unable or unwilling to tell him about). The client could reduce risk, and take home 14-15%after taxes and the broker would make 2-4% on the lending of the shares.

We must be able to compete with the criminals. A whistleblower needs to be compensated with more than monetary rewards. The whistleblower needs to be protected. I doubt that whistleblowers will come forward and lose the huge compensation they are collecting. We have to rely on the courts and the state agencies that are demanding regulation of hedge funds and transparency.

The mayor of Providence R.I. was convicted of RICO charges although he was not convicted of a single incident. There was proof that he and his top aides were extorting money from businesses through kickbacks. The mayor himself was very careful and was caught on tape only one time where he discussed extorting a membership to an exclusive club in exchange for building permits. The jury couldn't convict on a specific charge for lack of evidence, but they could convict on the RICO charge. This was a city government that was run like a Mob. It was easy for the jury to understand and see how it was multiple layers and a consistent pattern.

Although the brokerages are publicly traded "honest" businesses, they are protecting their best clients who are manipulating the markets and they are aiding these criminals. It is the same as the City Government of Providence with multiple layers and a consistent pattern of abusive practices. The pattern in the brokerages is abusive short-selling and failure to deliver or fraud whereas in Providence it was a pattern of extortion. A jury would see that although the systems ( a city government and legitimate brokerage business) don't normally operate as criminal organizations, these are in fact criminal organizations when they participate in criminal activities. They will be subject to RICO charges as the Biovail suit puts forth. For those who want to learn more about this, the 80 page Biovail lawsuit (available on this website) describes how hedge funds would control what was said about the companies they shorted, the analysts and media would time the publishing of the false reports to maximize the manipulative downward pressure on the stock so that the hedge fund could profit.

Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By RVAC go to this link and read on 3/11/2006 5:36 AM
emails letters from Borkers who have NO STOCK and tell you they have failures

http://www.investigatethesec.com/Sarbanes.htm
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By Kuma on 3/11/2006 6:12 AM
The start is to quick Bob. It jumps right into counterfeiting and is to much to take in for the "new listener". You run the risk of them making a quick decision and the rest is blah blah blah....blah blah blah. A third party story or how about the fact that the SEC was enacted after the crash to "resume customer confidence". The first head of the SEC Joe Kennedy......Everyone has heard of Joe and they know he has a checkered past. Eventually they will trust you but they don't right away so someone else needs to be convincing them up front. The Joe kennedy thing is somewhat something they know about to catch their interest. Personally I think the Delta story is huge. A story in the begining like, many that first read this are inclined to think this can't really be happening. Many feel that they have the best Govt in the world and they trust them to take care of their best interests. I ask you to give me some of your precious time and to study it a bit before you make a decision. What we are finding is if people take a time to look at the facts that they are getting just as angry as we are. We have found that the only way we are going to win this fight is strength in numbers. No matter what you can do even if it is just telling another friend that wants to help make a difference it helps our cause in ending this theft of America. This you may want on the end. Things that you can do to help. Come to this blog everyday and continue to read and educate yourself on this travesty. Please cut and paste some letters and send them to your local reps. (This needs to be real easy to do. Not a link) This is important because when you get that generic form letter back you will realise no one is doing anything about this in Government. We need people to help make a difference. Remember even if it is nothing more than coming to this website everyday and reading the latest entry that will help. We understsand sometimes it may take a week or two before you write a letter using our tools. Many do right away but someneed a little time and more information. Do not hesitate to comment in the forums and if you have any ideas on getting the message out to the masses let us know.

Just some ideas. In a nutshell. I think you want to ease on in and get something involved that they have at least heard of in the begining. Invite them to be part of the group and ask for help. Create a path and they will follow. On a side note probably the most convincing thing I have ever seen in this is the video at the senate banking comitteee. That is the best 3rd party story out there. Donaldson obviously playing dumb and then them talking about going behind closed doors. The fact that everything got shelved after that is numbing. If you could get that video shortened so that it starts in the right place and right in your opening paragraph you WILL have their attention then.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By Kuma on 3/11/2006 6:35 AM
Even if they do not know you are under an anonymous name you are still just an anonymous person and they maybe coming here so they can quickly tell their friend how full of it they are. "Not our Govt." I think the quicker you get third party verification the better. Obviously by not having anything in the press that is just what the crooks want is no third party verification.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By Kuma on 3/11/2006 6:44 AM
So maybe you start it out and say many find this very hard to believe. So before we even get into the primer I want to show you a video of a Senate banking hearing. The reason why I find it important that you watch this quick video is so you understand the problem is factual. What the video will proove to you is that counterfeit shares are being manufactured and are in the system today.

If you get the proof that this is going on covered right away you have a better listener as they are not having skeptical thoughts all the time.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By pinkice on 3/11/2006 6:45 AM
bobo/dave - what about contacting the biggest pensions like the TIAA/PERS/STRS.
if they have no hedge fund holdings this might be an issue they may support. even if they do have hedge fund holdings, any of these FTD stocks in their ports have really impaired their portfoilio performance. i can't really say i have any direct contacts, but i do know a number of teachers disgusted with some of the portfoilio performance of these funds. just food for thought.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By Confused on 3/11/2006 6:47 AM
So how can anyone say that Rocker was naked shorting stocks when you detailed explanation shows that is naked shorting occurs it is indeed the brokerage firm that is at fault and not the clients.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By Kuma on 3/11/2006 6:55 AM
So the point is you do have all the information available and you have done nice jobs for getting people up to speed. The real problem is if they are going through this all skeptical even if the read the whole thing they are just missing info because their mind is couded in skepticism. The first thing you have to do is proove without a doubt that this is going on.

I have seen one website that the first page gets over twice as many hits as any other. Maybe some just are not interested in the product but I would have to think others are just not good at finding links.

The other thing is ask for their help right away. It gives them a reason to come back. If it is someones elses problem and they will take care of it they wont come back.
Re: Stock Counterfeiting - A Primer By mfairview on 3/11/2006 7:07 AM
Byrne actually said that Rocker may not have understood he naked shorted something since it occurs further down the chain. He only accuses Rocker and Gradient of frontrunning. Now if discovery led to certain monies paid out by Rocker to the BD for certain favors, well that's a different story