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New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions

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Posted by:   bobo 3/7/2006 8:12 AM

(NOTE - just heard back, and Roddy declined to respond to my email question. Perhaps it is just me - maybe someone else can email him and find out what the source was, which attorneys he claims launched the investigation, whether Gradient was invested in any of the companies they were reporting on and if so, which ones...)

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UPDATE - THE PLOT THICKENS:

I checked in with Dr. Byrne, and in his usual shy, waffling manner, he reluctantly commented on Roddy's claim that the SEC investigated Gradient/Camelback because of OSTK's lawyers pushing them to do so:

"The statement about OSTK in 2004 is a lie. 100% false."

And:

"I was completely indifferent to Gradientrash for many months, until the point in October they wrote a mocking and derisive piece on Gordon Macklin, at which point I told him, ""DONN –YOU MAKE A LIVING TOADYING TO BULLY HEDGE FUNDS. IN THIS ROLE YOU INSULTED MR. MACKLIN, A FRIEND, A LIFELONG MENTOR, AND A DECENT AND WONDERFUL MAN. YOU DESERVE TO BE WHIPPED, F**KED, AND DRIVEN FROM THE LAND. LITTLE PUNCTILIOUS SUBMISSIVE REJOINDERS SUCH AS YOUR LETTER CANNOT CHANGE THIS OR RECALIBRATE OUR RELATIONSHIP ON OTHER TERMS. YOU DREW FIRST BLOOD: OWN IT.

A statement of which I was, and remain, proud."

Kind of hard to misinterpret that, huh?

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Today, Roddy Boyd came out with an article in the NY Post, claiming that the three hedge funds run by Camelback were investigated in 2004, and cleared of any front-running charges. We are told that he knows this because of an individual involved in the investigation:

"After that, the SEC told Gradient that nothing troubling had been found and dropped the inquiry, an individual involved in the investigation said."

That raised some questions. As did this:

"The trading records of the funds revealed that contrary to front-running Gradient's research, the Pinnacle fund's biggest loss was in a long position in Impath, a former Nasdaq high-flier that was roundly criticized by Gradient for its accounting policies "

And this:

"In 2004, the same funds were accused of similar behavior by Overstock lawyers, prompting a three-month probe."

First, he cites "an individual involved in the investigations." Someone at the SEC, or someone at Gradient? Not that the defendants in two civil suits accusing them of impropriety would plant a story basically amounting to, "It's all a stinking lie." But one does wonder who is talking about SEC probes, given that the SEC doesn't discuss them. If Gradient, one has to ask, what is the veracity of the source? Is there independent corroboration for the claims?

Second, he claims that OSTK's lawyers drove the probe in 2004. Which lawyers? As far as I can gather, it wasn't O'Quinn's group, as they weren't involved with him then, nor was it the guys in Utah, as neither were they. So which lawyers? And how does he know?

I emailed Roddy this question, and hope to know soon - I will print the meat of the response if and when I hear back. (SEE ABOVE)

And third, the information about Gradient's funds' biggest loser is neat, but doesn't really address the question: Did it have positions in the companies it was bashing in its research reports? You know, companies like NFI, and TASR, and OSTK, and such? It doesn't really say, now does it? Call me skeptical, but doesn't that seem to answer a different question - what was your biggest loser - than the one that would seem the most relevant - were you in any of the companies you were putting out coverage on?

As to the no front-running thing, that is super, assuming that it is accurate. The question in my mind is twofold - were clients really told that Camelback claimed that it didn't run money, i.e. was truly independent, or not? If they were told they didn't run money, and they did, and further if Gradient is the source of this information about the SEC probe, one could reasonably ask, "If you were lying then, wouldn't it make sense that you are lying now?"

This whole saga has been more interesting than reality TV. We do have a lot of accusations that the defendants and those on the other side of the table from OSTK and Biovail are liars - the affidavits claim that they were lying to their customers when they claimed to not run money, and that they were lying when they represented their research as independent.

Yesterday, Dr. Byrne went on RobTV and point blank called Cramer a liar - said that he was lying when he said that he had never heard of Gradient/Camelback before he got the subpoena (and as discussed in prior blogs, that he apparently felt OK about selling a bunch of stock in TSCM, along with 3 other big insiders, before telling shareholders about the present from the SEC).

Dr. Byrne said that Cramer was a liar, and that there are emails on the CNBC servers that prove he was lying. He further said that the DTCC was run by a bunch of criminals, and that they were lying through their teeth.

That's a lot of lying.

So who is telling the truth?

We probably won't know for sure for a while, but we can look at some data points and try to guess.

First, the judge in Marin, after reviewing all the evidence, ruled that the case against Rocker/Gradient should move forward. That's a data point. We can try to determine who the source of this "information" on the SEC probe is - is it someone credible, or is it self-serving info tendered by Gradient? And who are the attorneys that asked for this probe, and how does Roddy know? And was Gradient telling their customers that they didn't run money, when they clearly did?

Learn the answers to those questions, and you will have a little more solid footing. Perhaps someone else can ask about the source of the info, and which attorneys, and whether he asked about the positions that Gradient did have, and whether they were telling their clients they were not running money, when it now appears that they were? I am running out the door, but will be back in a few hours, and am hopeful we can all get to the bottom of this...

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Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By michael young on 3/7/2006 9:03 AM
First, the judge in Marin, after reviewing all the evidence, ruled that the case against Rocker/Gradient should move forward. That's a data point.

Don't stop flogging that "data point", silly rabbit. Very scientific.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By bobo on 3/7/2006 9:17 AM
I have another data point I am trying to verify, that is a doozey.

Why would reminding readers about the outcome of the Marin hearing be "flogging" it? Almost seems like you are a bit testy over the outcome. I'm not. I celebrate the cleansing antiseptic light of truth, and so should you.

That is news. Today it becomes the official, rather than tentative, statement from the courts. I plan to do an entire piece on it if I can get some quotes.

Do stop in to look for it, will you?
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By johnny damon on 3/7/2006 12:05 PM
Way to clog, Vlad! The Boss says thanks (not George, the other boss!).
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By vlad g on 3/7/2006 12:05 PM
Because he's about the truth, right?
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By roddy boyd no cred on 3/7/2006 12:06 PM
Roddy's cred, what was left of it, is shot to sh_t. Good footwork Bobo.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By vlad g on 3/7/2006 12:07 PM
Oh, that's right. Everything that's not part of the circle jerk is clogging.

Pardon me. Jerk away, young lads.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By johnny damon on 3/7/2006 12:08 PM
bob asked you for help in finding the truth, i.e. proof of the judge's actual comments.

Instead you go off on a snipe hunt to take someone's colorful paraphrasing about a judge's opinion of a case and want to make bob come up with something that doesn't exist- actual quotes from the marin judge from last week's hearing.

Are you Roddy by any chance? Feelings hurt and lashing out with irrational B.S.? Typical.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By jose guillen on 3/7/2006 12:11 PM
Chances of Roddy correcting his story regarding OSTK-2004? Zero. None.Nada. Zilch. Like his cred.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By vlad g on 3/7/2006 12:13 PM
I just received an email from someone that emailed OSTK, and their counsel also refuted Roddy's comments about OSTK driving the SEC to investigate Gradient in 2004. So that is two sources, confirming that his statement is false.

And the other source is Pat Byrne.

Q: When can you trust an interested party to tell the truth?

A: When the party says what you want them to.

Come on, Bobby Bunny. You're better than that.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By rtway1 on 3/7/2006 12:17 PM
I heard a rumor today that Roddy and Gary are teaming up to write a new thriller that will be judged for its content by the readers of http:www.thesanitycheck.com and also the readers of http:investigatethesec.com who are anxiously awaiting the first release and book signing. The name of this thriller is "How I Caught Wiley E. Coyote Without Using My ACME Catch A Coyote Kit"
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By benji molina on 3/7/2006 12:19 PM
Pat Byrne's statements vs Roddy Boyds? I'll take Pat Byrne's. C'mon Roddy, you're better than flat out lying about Overstock being an SEC puppetmaster over a 2004 sec investigation of gradient.

Roddy, any reason you think it's ethical or legal for an "independent forensics accounting research firm" to run 3 hedge funds while advertizing to your customers in print, orally on the phone, and ordering your workers to deny that any money is being managed by said firm?
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By vlad on 3/7/2006 12:55 PM
Pat Byrne's statements vs Roddy Boyds? I'll take Pat Byrne's.

Why?

Bobo's note: Well, Vlad, congrats, you are now relegated to Doggerel. It is really simple - Roddy is making a claim, in print, and yet is unwilling or unable to name which attorneys he is claiming drove the investigation, and now further has the officers of a public company calling him a liar. It is his claim, it is his job to support it factually. He hasn't. Thus, it is highly suspect.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By benji molina on 3/7/2006 12:30 PM
Why? Why not, Vlad? Don't read the affidavits, they're just "garbage" as Matthews said before even reading them, and those 4 people + more are surely all part of a conspiracy of tinfoilers to make Herb look bad.

You can't make this stuff up it's so detailed, and the hard and soft copy evidence is in the possession of the plaintiffs and their witnesses.

No comment on the Byrne statement about having email evidence that JJC is a liar (like anyone needs a reminder)?
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By benji molina on 3/7/2006 12:34 PM
Fishing for dirt for a suit against sanity check, vlad? Your boys already clogged up the yahoo board so badly in trying to provoke slanderable dirt, that no one bothers to interrupt the basher baloney brigade anymore, plus Yahoo didn't give up Harry3866 last time, so now its on to trolling on thesanitycheck, as seen on CNBC lol, for provocative/racial/slanderable dirt for a suit against a bunny?

You guys claim you know who bunny is, yet can't seem to bring yourselves to sue him....or Byrne. As bobo says, funny that.

Guess discovery isn't in your best interest.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By Poker Night at Hedge Central on 3/7/2006 12:37 PM
Roddy,

Good work!

One more hatchet job and you're invited to Poker Night next week. Jesse E got the boot for being useless and you're our new player. See you soon.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By mhelburn on 3/7/2006 12:40 PM
The only thing I've seen more stupid than today's article in the NYPost is the Rocker/Gradient defense for the SLAPP motion. Roddy can't possibly be working for Gradient or the hedge funds and publish the that an analyst/reasearch firm was also running money. I don't see how anyone would pay anyone for writing an article like that. It is wrong.. so his paper shouldn't pay for it. It outs Gradient for illegal behavior. What the hell is going on? Is Roddy trying to make life miserable for these guys? Does Roddy even know what side he is on? He won't talk to me. I sent him the OSTK corporate counsel's denial and Roddy said he wouldn't e-mail me anymore.

Guess what, Roddy. We heard the same kind of noise from Greenberg after he lied and lied about NFI. You don't want to use accurate material if it interferes with the story, right?
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By bobo on 3/7/2006 12:49 PM
Vlad: fair warning. You are clogging this thread, and have added nothing of substance, except demanding that others do your debunking for you. Your posts are Doggerel. One more an the whole series will be relegated there.

I believe that the judge said that the SLAPP defense had no merit as this was not about speech, but rather about conduct. He might have called the defendants lying c&ck**ckers, but I doubt it. I understood that the poster was expressing his opinion in a colorful way. So did everyone else.

Since you seem so interested in discovering what was actually said, the burden upon providing backup is upon you.

I am not your errand boy, to be ordered about to go find out this, and report back on that. You dislike one of the posters expressing his opinion? Fine. Go find a link. Can't do it, or don't want to? Then be quiet. Any continuation of this gets you banned, and all anonymous comments subject to review to filter out gibberish.

Clear?
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By benji molina on 3/7/2006 12:51 PM
evidence is enough for judges. For right fielders? Who cares.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By mhelburn on 3/7/2006 1:34 PM
I think there are several posts in here that qualify for doggerel.. joel, vlad, and michael young.. along with my post pointing it out.. they have added nothing. I think it is better to be a little heavy with the culling than to leave junk behind. The personal attacks and OT need to go.. sooner the better.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By rtway1 on 3/7/2006 1:43 PM
I kind of felt sorry for Roddy when he appeared on CNBC for one of his rarified interviews, and he made a fool of himself because he got tongue tied and lost his groove so to speak. Hey, what the hell, anyone of us could get nervous being in his position at the time and the cameras grinding on you. But when you screw up a written peice that you had time to think about, your hall pass has expired. You are now an idiot, IMO.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By dave on 3/7/2006 2:01 PM
I really don't care if the so called journalists agree with Bobo or not. They are clogging the thread and taking away our momentum.

We need to concentrate on action items, such as spreading the word. We need tens of thousands of investors to be aware this site exists.

Make sure you post http://www.thesanitycheck.com and http://www.investigatethesec.com at least once per day to the various blogs that you visit. This helps the google score.

Also, install the Alexa tool bar.

http://download.alexa.com/index.cgi

Each toolbar user is like someone with a Nielson rating box - they extrapolate that that person represents maybe 10,000 users or more.

Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By rtway1 on 3/7/2006 1:54 PM
We should all be reminded again to ask for your certificates of OSTK to be delivered to you and remember ONE of the happiest days of the year are creeping up on us, that very special day for one of our closest friends with the big ears, and what better place to buy that special someone an Easter gift than our own Overstock. Even the folks at http://www.investigatethesec.com and of course the fine folks at http://wwwthesanitycheck.com shop there quite often. Beep Beep
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By benji molina on 3/7/2006 3:55 PM
ditto, mary, my posts to vlad as major league ballplayers molina and damon should be yanked as well (as should this one), I agree fully with your sentiments.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By Patchie on 3/7/2006 9:25 AM
I like how Roddy conducts his research. He goes to David Rocker and asks Rocker to show him account statements - Rocker does. Now we are fully aware that most if not all funds have multiple accounts and trade through multiple firms but Roddy looks at an account - the "good one" and says everything is fine. Rocker is now in the clear to write positive stories about.

Then, Roddy has free access to these Gradient characters who also spin tales of investigations never heard of and reported clean bills of health by an agency that will never confirm or deny anything ever transpired. Roddy gives them free press Bill of Health and nobody can ever refute it. Who they going to ask?

Has anybody noticed how cozy Roddy is getting to the Hedge Fund community. The guy wants to scoop stories and what better way than to befriend the guys willing to give scoops. This new found friendship could go a long way.

For me, if I were Roddy, I would let the SEC's FORMAL INVESTIGATION play itself out before I started picking sides. How do we know a formal one exists? Because the SEC is at the stage of issuing subpoenas and the enforcement division has to initiate formal investigations, approved by the Commission, to initiate subpoenas.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By Joel on 3/7/2006 9:25 AM
Why would Roddy reply to someone that is not using their real name Bob? (Bob is a alias)

Why can you not figure that one out?

Joel
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By Kuma on 3/7/2006 9:27 AM
It is just sickening how deeply pathetic these people are. Who raised them and under what principles? Bring the Guillotine to America!

http://www.metaphor.dk/guillotine/Pages/Guillot.html
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By bobo on 3/7/2006 9:36 AM
Well, Joel, because we have had correspondence going back over a year, for starters?

Do try to keep up, would you?
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By dave on 3/7/2006 9:48 AM
The long short strategy. Most shorts have long accounts so they can whack the bid when they need to.

http://www.asensioexposed.com/longshort.htm

(Don't forget posting links to http://www.thesanitycheck.com and http://www.investigatethesec.com - try to do it at least once per day in one or more of the blogs you visit. Google picks up on the links.)
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By Anonymous on 3/7/2006 9:51 AM
Really Joel, keep up would you? Instead of jumping on the bashing bandwagon, try and do some most BASIC background checking.

Uneless you wanna be a financial "journalist". Then you're doing fine.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By troydian on 3/7/2006 9:55 AM
its great to see folks like joel here.. simply because their inability to grasp truth and reason .is layed out in a forum that lets folks decied for themselves what is true and what is propaganda deliverd by shorty and hedgeie.. It helps our cause to see them here spewing falsehoods and half truths... keep it up joel
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By jza4 on 3/7/2006 10:01 AM
I like the update from the good Dr. I really admire Byrne for all his hard work in spearheading this movement. I think I need a new toaster. Anyone know a good place to get one?? LOL :-)
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By x. trapnell on 3/7/2006 10:32 AM
Getting a bit hard to remember now, but before Roddy became embittered over his feud with Pat, he was considered one of the few journalists courageous enough to address NSS.

It's getting harder and harder not to see Boyd as anything but a minion of Rocker. And that's sad. . .
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By troydian on 3/7/2006 10:40 AM
what is even more SAD is that there are NO ..NONE zip nada reporters honest or brave enough to let the public in on this..
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By bobo on 3/7/2006 10:48 AM
The guy in NJ is. So is the reporter with CNET. And with Time. Maybe the problem is that there are no editors willing to allow the reporters to be honest...
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By mhelburn on 3/7/2006 10:49 AM
I was going to write Roddy, but my timeline didn't coincide at all with what he said about OSTK. I wrote to OSTK attorney to ask if it was true and now that my question has been confirmed by Patrick's comment to Bob, I have no questions to ask Roddy.. When you have been served up a big pile of bullshit, (Roddy obviously didn't confirm anything) would you go for a second helping?

The whole story stinks. The only way that Roddy would know if OSTK initiated an inquiry, would be if he had sources inside the SEC or OSTK. Since we know that OSTK didn't inititate it but the inquiry was only attributed to OSTK by Roddy or his sources, somebody is lying. Nothing but a bunch of GD pervaricators. Somebody is either grossly inept.. that would be Roddy for not checking with OSTK..(He called Patrick a liar not too long ago and apologized so he should have been able to get an answer from either Patrick or OSTK's Corporate attorney)

We know that Roddy's source was not the SEC because he got it wrong. So it must be Gradient.. or Deviant... or Miscreant.. Don't they know that they are going to be drug out and shamed.. Donn.. you are a liar.. Patrick isn't a liar, the SEC isn't talking.. so the only one flapping his mouth is Vickrey who is seeing his Enterprise go down the chute.. You know what I mean by Enterprise.

I talked to someone this morning who put Mark Valentine in jail. He is even more anxious to see this bunch get their just desserts.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By bphaere on 3/7/2006 11:11 AM
**Maybe the problem is that there are no editors willing to allow the reporters to be honest...**

More likely, some editors are concerned only with spelling and capitalization -- easy for a bent journalist to pull the wool over his eyes.

Other editor might get an article and say to the writer, "I have no idea what the hell you're writing about and I doubt our readers do, either -- we won't print this"

So, maybe it's the editors we should be educating...
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By Kuma on 3/7/2006 11:13 AM
I agree Bob that it must be the editors. I live in a liberal town with extremely liberal writers. None of them ever even reply to my emails. I have emailed dozens of publications with no reply. No doubt there is a MASSIVE lid on this. Which makes it seem like events will have to take place that the public cannot deny.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By vlad guerrero on 3/7/2006 11:20 AM
He's the judge presiding in the Marin trial by the way. What were his exact words ............ "reckless disregard for the truth"......Seems to ring a bell. That was his statement when dismissing the anti slapp motion filed by the crooks. Things don't look too rosey when the judge of what is in essense a trial regarding honesty to render a decision that states......... You are a pack of f#@king liars.......Small wonder the lads are becoming more strident as this unfolds.

Bob,

As up are all about the truth, how about correcting this small piece of misinformation posted by one of your loyal followers? Or is that what you think the judge said as well?

Yours truly,

Vlad
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By bobo on 3/7/2006 11:27 AM
Vlad: Do you have a source for what the judge actually said? I'd love to access it. If that is incorrect, I need a link or some sort of reference to site.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By lenofus on 3/7/2006 11:31 AM
........got a new theme song for Mad Money. "I Gotta Tiger by the Tail". Think these bastards rue the day they picked on OSTK?
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By vlad guerrero on 3/7/2006 11:35 AM
render a decision that states......... You are a pack of f#@king liars.......

You really think this is what the judge said? And I'm not making a point about the "fucking liars" portion. My strong suspicion is that he said something to the effect of: the plaintiff has presented enough evidence to show there is a question as to whether defendants committed the alleged wrongs. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't have proof. But I would be shocked if he said anything like: defendants definitely committed the alleged acts.

What do you think? Your credibility is at stake, Bobby.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By claude mendelson on 3/7/2006 11:40 AM
Since when are you the arbiter of credibility? Obviously the judge didn't say that, it was a paraphrase jackass.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By vlad_is_an_idiot on 3/7/2006 11:46 AM
"Your credibility is at stake,"...for someone else's paraphrasing? Get a life.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By bobo on 3/7/2006 11:47 AM
I was able to comprehend that this is the poster's opinion, versus a literal statement. That is not what this blog is about, however. This blog is about Roddy's latest article, and whether or not it is accurate, as well as the data points available to us for confirmation.

I just received an email from someone that emailed OSTK, and their counsel also refuted Roddy's comments about OSTK driving the SEC to investigate Gradient in 2004. So that is two sources, confirming that his statement is false.

Once you have shown one area to be false, can we not assume that all of it is false? Put another way, were you lying then, or are you lying now? If his source gave him incorrect info on OSTK's involvement, then is there any reason to believe that any of the rest of it is correct and accurate?

I would say no.

So do you have a link to the judge's statements and decision, or are you trying to argue your feelings of what he might or might not have said? I frankly don't have much interest in unsubstantiated feelings - I get enough of that reading the NY papers these days...
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By vlad g on 3/7/2006 12:00 PM
Vlad_is_and_idiot and Claude,

The paraphrasing, if that's what you want to call it, is obviously incorrect. So, I thought Bob (Mr. Truth) should correct it.

Bob,

Just asking you to correct an obviously incorrect post. Do you really require a link to the judge's decision to see that the post is absurd? I'm sure you can find a relevant quote from the decision if you google it.

By the way, I would have thought that you, as a prime purveyor of unsubstantiated feelings, would love the NY papers these days.
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By vlad_g_is_a_bore on 3/7/2006 12:03 PM
and why should bob correct someone else's b.s.?
Re: New Roddy Boyd Article in Post Raises Questions By vlad g on 3/7/2006 12:03 PM
Bobby,

Just tell me what you think the judge said. As this is one of your precious "data points", I'd like your take on what the judge's decision means. Do you think the judge decided that the defendants are miscreants, as at least one of your followers appears to think?

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