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Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron?

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Posted by:   bobo 3/2/2006 9:10 AM

The WSJ ran an editorial this morning, wherein they continue to advance a number of spurious notions – as though, by repetition, the canards will become fact.

 

Here’s an example:

 

“The subpoenas came after an online retailer, Overstock.com, accused a hedge fund and a stock-research firm of using the media to drive down the price of its stock. To put it another way, the journalists are suspected of having sources who tell them things that they then share with their readers or listeners. Where we come from this is called reporting, or providing facts to investors who can then make more informed decisions.”

 

Sweety. No. No no no. What is being alleged is that a collusive stock manipulation scheme is underway, wherein captive research firms write doctored research reports, which are frontrun by hedge funds, and that the whole process is facilitated by a group of lapdog reporters who aid them by carefully timing articles to hit when they will cause maximum damage.

 

Nobody thinks the subpoenas are about reporting.

 

The polls don’t. The CNBC poll taken Monday showed 89% of respondents support the SEC’s issuing of the subpoenas, and FinancialWire’s poll shows over 90% think Cox should be censured for his bumbling of the SEC subpoenas, and subsequent backpedaling.

 

So it isn’t about reporting. It is about colluding in a stock manipulation scheme. There is a difference. I understand it. Most Americans understand it. Why can’t you?

 

Here’s another example:

 

“It takes a difference of opinion to make a horse race, or a market in a stock, and the world of stock trading is full of positive and negative opinions about tens of thousands of companies. Had journalists made more of short-seller viewpoints on Enron in early 2001, thousands of investors and employees might have been spared a lot of pain. As long as journalists at Dow Jones are honestly reporting what they learn -- and are on nobody else's payroll -- they are doing their jobs and serving the cause of efficient financial markets.

The SEC's subpoena flurry betrays an all too eager desire to manage and control financial information. It's part of the mentality that a few years ago produced Regulation FD, which bars publicly traded companies from sharing certain information with research analysts before it is broadcast to the public. This has led to harassing enforcement actions against corporate officers who innocently drop a fact or two of positive or negative news about their company. Now the SEC scolds are harassing journalists who report market-moving facts based on their daily digging.”

 

Again, this isn’t about short sellers slipping a piece of info to a reporter to get them to write a negative piece. This is about collusion, with the sole purpose of the collusion to drop the price of a stock so that the manipulators can benefit.

 

Or how about:

 

“The subpoenas also reflect the bully-boy tactics that have infected the SEC enforcement staff in recent years. They've acquired the Eliot Spitzer afflatus, which is to fire off subpoenas before asking questions and assume that they have a right to see any and all emails and any other communications.

The irony here is that many financial reporters and columnists have benefited by receiving the leaks of those emails from the SEC and Mr. Spitzer's office, spun of course to make a target company look bad. These journalists are learning how it feels to be on the receiving end of such blunderbuss discovery. At least they have the First Amendment to protect them, not to mention the airwaves or barrels of ink to defend themselves publicly. The average Wall Street trader has no such recourse.”

 

Now, do you think, maybe, just mayyyyyybeeeeee, the SEC’s Enforcement division may have enough grounds to issue these subpoenas because there is just cause? No?

 

Here’s a question: Why not?

 

Why the automatic assumption that there is no there there?

 

How about yet more hyperbole-laden spin-doctoring:

 

“This episode also appears to have been educational for SEC Chairman Christopher Cox, who along with other Commissioners wasn't told about the subpoenas before they were issued. At least one of the subpoenas was approved by no less than the head of SEC enforcement, Linda Thomsen. That even she failed to inform her superiors is another illustration of the arrogance that has infected the SEC staff since former Chairman Bill Donaldson failed to provide any adult supervision. This disregard for the agency's appointed leaders reached an apex last year when legal staffers inserted a clause into a mutual fund rule that made it difficult for Commissioners to have a say in future litigation over the new rule.

Mr. Cox has now put the journalist subpoenas on hold, while delivering a much-need rebuke to the staff about proper procedure and overzealous enforcement. He says the Commissioners will soon consider the subpoena matter themselves, which means putting the grownups back in charge.”

 

Why is it that all these smart NY sophisticates can’t ask rudimentary questions? Like – Is there any requirement, anywhere, that the Enforcement division notify the Commissioners about individual subpoenas in an active investigation?

 

There isn’t.

 

Further, one could ask, why is an active investigation being interfered with by political appointees with no background or expertise in Enforcement, or investigations? Why would that be a good idea, precisely?

 

Huh?

 

Why are the political appointees who have zero expertise the “adults”, and the 10 year dedicated Enforcement chief the “child”? And why does the WSJ reporter presume this?

 

Here’s my favorite:

 

“Perhaps it's too much to ask of our brethren in the financial press that they show greater skepticism toward the leaks and accusations of the SEC staff that are their daily bread. But it's not too much to expect that Mr. Cox and his fellow Commissioners rein in their staff and return due process, rather than headlines, to the center of SEC enforcement.”

 

Yeah. Uh huh. So, a return to due process. Great. Would that be where the Enforcement division gets to conduct an investigation without outside interference, and being castigated and pre-judged by the press, who knows absolutely nothing about the case? Where, once the case is built, a judge and jury get to decide the merits, not some hack in NY with a clear bias?

 

Folks, the last few days have shown us a number of clear things. First, that there is an agenda at play. Here are the highlights of that agenda:

 

1)      Paint an investigation into stock manipulation as bully tactics by unhinged, out-of-control fascists.

 

2)      Presume to know what drove the subpoenas – assume that there is no basis for issuing them, or that it is some hidden agenda – but never, ever suggest that there could be good reason.

 

3)      Make this a 1st Amendment issue, because reporters are involved (although Cramer is NOT a reporter or journalist).

 

4)      Twist the information being sought by the subpoenas. Make it about sources, not about collusion and stock manipulation.

 

5)      Declare that those that issued the subpoenas are out of control, and that it is far more desirable to have political appointees and the press decide how to run an investigation – anyone but those with actual experience doing so.

 

That about covers it.

 

Now in the spirit of helping this WSJ dimwit understand a few elemental truths, I have been busy with MS Paint, as always, to assist those for whom words seem to lack the ability to convey material points. First, it is obvious that there is an agenda in play, and that agenda is likely being driven by those with much to lose by the investigation going forward un-obstructed.

 

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Second, everyone west of Riverside drive is not as dumb as a brick, and you don’t have to be an Ivy League member of the cognoscenti to understand what is at play here. The polls bear that out.

 

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Third, investigations should not be obstructed by amateurs and apologists. They should be left to professionals. Bad guys don’t generally provide clear evidence that they have been up to no good.

 

 

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They typically work in more oblique ways.

 

 

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Fourth, there is a difference between an honest short seller and a stock manipulator. Just as there is a difference between a naked short seller and a legal short seller. Most understand that. The NY financial press seem determined to blur the line, as part of their agenda to confuse the two. America is not fooled – we know the difference.

 

 

 

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So, for those of you in the press that think we are buying your twisting of the truth, and your obvious spinning of a transparent agenda, we aren't. We understand the issues. We get it. We are not morons. Stop treating us as such.

 

Cox was just on CNBC, and pretty much did the honorable thing, and defended his Enforcement people, and further indicated that he understands the difference between bad guy spun agenda, and fact.

 

So try selling it somewhere else. America isn't buying.

Copyright ©2006 Bob O'Brien
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Comments (74)
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By Anon on 3/2/2006 9:32 AM
megakudos.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By john jones on 3/2/2006 9:56 AM
If we allow them to manipulate both the stock market and the press, they would be fools not to do it. So we need to absolutely rise up and insist on a level playing field.
We need to take pssession of what we pay for. The criminals need to pay a huge penalty (PRISON) for fraudulrnt conveyance and counterfeiting, their accomplices in the press need to be exposed and penalized as well.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By supporter on 3/2/2006 10:52 AM
rashomon -- did that to prove a point. I don't think you are an idiot or rascist or any of that.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By rashomon on 3/2/2006 10:58 AM
this is easy to clear up. think it would be worth it for one of you guys to ask Darren if he posted that or not. if he didnt, go on Weiss' blog and let it be known. ask him also if he is a member of the Nationalist political party
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By x. trapnell on 3/2/2006 11:04 AM
Nice hi-jack of the thread, rashomon. The topic at hand is the WSJ editorial. And BTW still waiting for Roddy Body of the NYP to weigh in. He assured us that he would cover the Marin decision no matter which way it went.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By robelita on 3/2/2006 11:08 AM
Focus people-all this jabber about who is or isn't a racist detracts from the issue at hand and is meant to cause division and diversion. The racists know who they are and others can make up their own minds. End it.

Now, back on topic, what does everyone think about HASENPFEFFER ;)
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By teacheric on 3/2/2006 11:21 AM
Nice work Bobo! This site is getting more and more popular. I'm beginning to think people are coming here after reading the garbage from the NY press just to verify if what they've read is slanted or even written correctly. Keep up the heroic efforts. You give hope to our country, where, sadly, many people are for sale
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By rtway1 on 3/2/2006 11:32 AM
Robellita , that was a sroke of genius, and adds to the momentum. Being that we are dicussing skewed journalism, has anybody heard any sage commentary from the master of bad news, Seth Jayson. It,s like he disappeared. Maybe his bike broke.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By Neutral on 3/2/2006 11:39 AM
I know Darren and I've been at several rallies with him and have never heard him utter anything anti-semitic.

That board is a boring blog with boring people and someone tried the old divide and conquer routine. Nuts to them.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By bobo on 3/2/2006 11:50 AM
Paul: The buyer's money is debited from his account when he clicks buy. Where it goes from there is immaterial to the buyer - he doesn't have it anymore, and knows and understands that it was exchanged, somehow, for a share.

Rash: How do you know that was really Darren? If someone signs on over there as bobo, they can, and post hate messages. You posted hate messages wherein you articulated that you thought this was all a "blame it on the Jews" conspiracy - the posts are in doggerel for all to see. You later said that wasn't you. Whatever. Either way you prove my point.

BTW, Darren is African-American, I believe. What does that have to do with anything? He may also be Christian, or Muslim, or Jewish, or Buddhist. Dunno. His race or religion are unimportant to me, frankly. He also may be a democrat or a republican, or think Texas should separate from the US. That would be a nationalistic/political view.

I'll put an end to this right now, and then any future attempts to hijack the thread will go into doggerel:

Being Jewish is a religion.

Being a Zionist is a nationalistic/political view.

Many Jews are not Zionists. You don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist, although many Zionists are Jewish. Zionism is the political persuasion that advocates a separate Jewish nation - Israel.

Quite a few unenlightened folks believe that Jews, Semites, and Zionists are all the same thing. They aren't.

Ethiopians are Semites. Arabs are Semites.

So we have a religion, and a nationalistic persuasion, and a term that loosely CAN include a religious group, but is not inclusive solely on religious grounds.

I think that these tangents are deliberate attempts to cause controversy, and to try to create a polarized or cult of victim/persecution angle. It won't wash.

I'm sure there are other, more granular distinctions on the whole Zionism/Jewish/Semite thing (Hasidim, Orthodox, etc.), but I frankly fail to see what race, religion, or national beliefs have to do with stock manipulation. That line of reasoning is silly. Criminality knows no racial, religious or nationalistic distinctions, any more than prostitution does. I'm not sure whether it matters to the person being murdered whether it is the Israeli, Italian, Russian, or Columbian mob that does it, or whether the killers have a cross, or star of David, or pentagram around their neck. It is the act that counts, and that knows no such distinctions, racial, religious or political.

Don't believe me? Try Elgindy on for size.

So this is a fruitless road, and one that is only good for sidetracking the discussion into a more politically/religiously/racially charged direction.

And for the record, you don't know what my religious/racial/nationalistic beliefs or persuasions are. For good reason.

It doesn't matter. At all.

That is why I was appalled by Mathews' ignorant and transparent attack on Byrne.

Clear?
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By Kevin on 3/2/2006 12:02 PM
Herbie is trying to pit father vs. son at Overtsock.Com. Now it's really getting personal...

Moving on ... family feud: The Globe & Mail of Toronto on Thursday quoted Overstock (OSTK : overstock com inc OSTK22.68, -0.12,ed -0.5%) President Patrick Byrne's father commenting about his son in a not entirely favorable light.

Jack Byrne, the company's chairman, said that while there "may be something" to his son's claims ... I wish he would just pay attention to just running his company. That's the problem with the world today, sons don't do what their fathers tell them to do."
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By rashomon on 3/2/2006 12:05 PM
Bunny I have a PHd in Euro History from the top history dept in the world. I am not going to waste my time correcting your pedestrian discussion of Zionism and whether or not anti-zionism is anti-semitism or not. First, try reading "Protocols of Elderly Zion". Also, Darren is on the yahoo board admitting he wrote the rant on Weiss's blog and apologizing for it. And I have see his pictures he is very very white. I had an ounce of sympathy for you now that has dissipated completely. Big mistake. you would orgasm if you knew who i was.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By rtway1 on 3/2/2006 12:09 PM
I remember the WSJ doing distort jobs 20 yrs. ago. It seems as though there are two different papers rolled into one. One side is just filled with informative items that make every body,s life a little more enriched. Then there is the other side that is constantly trying to jam their agenda into a self fulfilling fact. Has any body seen anything in the Investors Business Daily?
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By GOD on 3/2/2006 12:09 PM
rashomon, Who cares WHOM you are, you are acting like a dick so that's what you must be.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By robelita on 3/2/2006 12:12 PM
Thanks rtway-I thought "skewed" rabbit was appropo here. Now, if I could only get that damned tune out of my head-Jimmy Cramer had a show, E I E I OWE. Fricken' HOP-my brain's skipping-E I E I OWE. GROANNNNNNNNNN!
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By rashomon on 3/2/2006 12:13 PM
sorry, the political ideologies and monetary motivations of this group are important to me. i know enough now that I will never have any contact and will never help anyone associated with this. I will stop posting. CLICK
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By hemingway811 on 3/2/2006 12:13 PM
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You may recall that, several weeks ago, just after midnight, the company reported that its earnings would be delayed for two to four weeks until its tax counsel had offered a ruling, requested by its auditors, regarding an unspecified tax issue. The company offered no details on the tax issue, but, as has been the case in prior quarters, the quality of earnings in the most recent one left something to be desired. Of the 84 cents in reported earnings per share, 23 came from a tax benefit.
What was this tax benefit? There was no explanation, but this much is clear: Without the benefit, earnings would've been a disaster, representing a huge miss.
Good thing I didn't take any bets on whether the company would report its earnings within the specified delay period, as I had wondered aloud in a column when the delay was first mentioned. It did.
Oh, and in case you're wondering, its earnings quality, as of the third quarter, received a grade of F from Gradient Analytics. Gradient's Donn Vickrey said it won't be reassessed until the company files its 10-K.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By bobo on 3/2/2006 12:41 PM
Golly, Rash, if you could at least get the name of the work right it might lend a bit more credibility to your credentials. It is "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" - not Elderly Zion, although perhaps that would be a good Disney character? Elderly Zion, the wise old tiger? Whatever. Anyone that wants to know more about that work can google the correct name - it is widely thought to be one of the more rabid anti-semitic works out there. As to your no longer supporting my work, all you have done thus far is tell me that I am an Ahole in various ways, and posting stuff that had to be relegated to doggerel. So your important contributions will have to be missed by us.

Monetary motivations? Huh? Again, I am open to large bribes, preferably in untraceable cash, for whatever purposes you like. Don't be coy, step up, dig deep. I'll be happy to bash whatever you like if you make the register ring. Don't be cheap, though. Cough up some real jing jang if you want the bunny to draw pictures for you...

As to Darren, again, having never met him, I have no idea what race or ideology he is - I don't know why I thought he was African American. Dunno. Again, whatever. Who cares, what does it have to do with anything at all? It doesn't. If my appreciation of racial, religious or political distinctions isn't to your liking, by all means, press on. If I got anything wrong, I apologize in advance - I just am not all that interested in all the distinctions. Doesn't interest me at all, actually. Sort of like the hot chick in the bar - I really don't care what nationality, religion, political views she has.

Although I will pretend deep interest if it gets me....well......you know....
WSJ By Cynic on 3/2/2006 12:41 PM
Back in the 70's, a friend of mine would predict a week in advance articles in the WSJ that would appear and drive a stock price up. Sure enough, he was always right. So this practice is very old.

I'm still afraid that Cox may be comprimised. No one gets such a high position if they are not contollable through money, blackmail, or promises of more power or position. The result may be a very sophisticated slam on the little guy.

I hope not.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By Wonder Boy on 3/2/2006 12:42 PM
The wabbit has the habit!
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By bobo on 3/2/2006 12:45 PM
Hemingway: Would that be the same Gradient that got their analysis on NFI so badly wrong last year that they understated earnings by 50%, counted the preferred dividend as being paid to all shares rather than just the preferred holders (a mistake that overstated that liability by a factor of TEN) and simply omitted all income from the portfolio - roughly 80% of their total income?

That Gradient? The one being sued along with Rocker for being part of a collusive group manipulating the share price of targeted companies?

It's a good thing you can't be sued for being stupid or wrong.

What a loser the lapdog is.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By browntrout on 3/2/2006 12:45 PM
Reuters FINALLY corrects address to Sanity Check
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By mfairview on 3/2/2006 12:45 PM
As someone on Yahoo has so eloquently written to Roshoman:

"I had an ounce of sympathy for you now that has dissipated completely. Big mistake. you would orgasm if you knew who i was."

Would anyone else orgasm over this or just furry long eared rodents?
Bunny, They corrected your web address By long_ostk on 3/2/2006 12:53 PM
http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/060302/retail_overstock.html?.v=1
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By Wonder Boy on 3/2/2006 12:56 PM
The sound of a baby crying..............


http://www.thestreet.com/comment/investing/10270797.html
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By robelita on 3/2/2006 1:01 PM
Good riddens diaperRash. I'll see your PhD and raise you-unfortunately you're not reading this (cough, cough, sputter, sputter). Fortunately, your participation here carries no weight anyway. This site belongs to stewed rabbits all over the world.

VIVA LA HASENPFEFFER!
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By Zimmer on 3/2/2006 1:03 PM
Way to go Herb ... keep quoting Gradient. What a Knucklehead ... capital K. How long do you think it will be, before he changes that smiling picture, to the mug shot profile that we're all waiting for?
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By Wonder Boy on 3/2/2006 1:23 PM
I guess the First Amendment doesn't protect from EVERYTHING..........

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060302/ap_on_re_us/animal_extremists;_ylt=AibW9RMT71YZSVwfhR4o08Gs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg-
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By nowiggleroom on 3/2/2006 1:37 PM
Just remember to discuss everything and shuffle the deck enough times to keep the spotlight off of the real problem - NSS and FTD!

nuf said...
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By rtway1 on 3/2/2006 1:39 PM
Herbie,s smile will change very quickly when he hears the door go "CLINK". However his new roommate might have a smile.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By robelita on 3/2/2006 1:40 PM
"Big mistake. you would orgasm if you knew who i was. "

Could it be...nawwwwwww....maybe...no way.....possibly....the Playboy bunny!

I haven't orgasmed over one of those since-well-nevermind-I was alone in the bathroom and the cameras were off ........uh-it was sooooooo long ag....the memory is fading and yet there's this tingling sensation in my loins.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By otc on 3/2/2006 1:51 PM
I have often wondered why there are so few OTC companies on the SRO list. Is that because the SEC doesn't consider them to be public companies?

Only OTC companies which also qualify in some other way as listed securities qualify?

I think there is a humungous problem in the OTC world where many retail investors are losing fortunes that is being hidden.

The following was taken from the SEC web site. It's a discussion of Sarbanes Oxley.


Section 301
Question 2: Will the rules relating to Section 301 apply to issuers whose securities are traded on the over-the-counter bulletin board market?

Answer: No. Securities traded on the over-the-counter bulletin board market currently are not considered listed securities.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By mfairview on 3/2/2006 2:01 PM
Wow. Too funny. Just got around to reading Herberts latest. In particular, "One of my favorite new blogs tries to expose an underbelly of corrupt behavior behind some of these claims. It's done by former Business Week reporter Gary Weiss. It's appropriately named www.gary-weiss.com. Weiss, whose fame is in part tied to his terrific reporting about the mob on Wall Street, is also the author of the soon-to-be published book "Wall Street Versus America: The Rampant Greed and Dishonesty That Imperil Your Investments." Among his targets: the anti-naked-short-selling crowed, which he labels the Baloney Brigade. Weiss has one of business journalism's best noses for sniffing out fraud and deceit, and, like any good bloodhound, he appears to be on the trail of something with a stench. End of Story"

He did the EXACT thing when introducing Jeff Matthews several months ago (e.g. gave his blog a plug). Talk about handing off the torch. I wonder if Matthews just wanted out or got booted?
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By mhelburn on 3/2/2006 2:02 PM
Well, bobo.. you've proved it again.. You are a results oriented guy!

"Although I will pretend deep interest if it gets me....well......you know...."

Rash has tried to divide our group, offered numerous suggestions, and veered off topic.. If he is so GD smart and he "was supportive", why doesn't he do something besides spout off? Nobody here is responsible for Darin.. and if he screwed up and he apologizing... he's a real man!

I guess that people can't understand what a grass-roots effort is. We except everyone who understands what is going on and wants to do something about it. Each of us is secure enough in our beliefs about the effort that we trust our brothers and sisters in the campaign. Darin was instrumental in linking the group with CFRN. Someone else may have eventually done it, but his efforts speeded things up considerably.

Why would anyone read Gary's blog...blech! Never try to teach a pig to fly.






Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By Beetendown on 3/2/2006 2:12 PM
Bunny, I have respect for you, but the cartoons turn this into a circus, and defeat your purpose of getting the message across. You need to be serious, not funny. Just my two cents.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By bobo on 3/2/2006 2:16 PM
mfairview: They are rather obvious, aren't they? No grace of art to it. I think Mathews got his head handed to him too many times, and lost the taste for it. 'lil GW, on the other hand, is desperate for any way to publicize his book, and so will take what he can get. Given the number of posts he censors, and his abysmal blog traffic, all I can say is that he gets the audience he deserves.

Beeten: I've had a few comments like that, as well as a ton commending me for keeping things funny. To that end, I'll leave it up to you, the readers. I'll put up a poll that will allow you to vote on this exact issue, soon.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By dave on 3/2/2006 2:20 PM
The personalities involved here are irrelevant. There are lots of things that can divide people: politics, racism, religion, etc. If you see a post like this, assume it is someone trying to take our eyes off the ball.

It's an ad hominem attack.

The messenger has not relevance to the message.

Capiche?
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By browntrout on 3/2/2006 2:22 PM
Herb Greenberg reporting Jack Byrnes MAY be stepping down from Overstock on Kudlow CNBC
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By rashomon on 3/2/2006 2:40 PM
magic trick number one just happened. jack byrne distances himself publicly from his son and his sons "jihad". rashomon at work. sorry, you had a chance with me
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By bobo on 3/2/2006 2:44 PM
I thought you were gone?
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By Kevin on 3/2/2006 2:57 PM
Bob -

Sent the below to Lou Dobbs from CNN, who I respect. Maybe he'll start investigating. It only takes one big name for the house of cards to completely collapse.

"There appears to be, in my opinion, an ongoing campaign orchestrated by financial media and publications, journalists and on/off shore hedge funds to hide, dismiss or ignore the problem of naked short selling and stock manipulation.

Subpoenas have been handed down by the SEC to Herb Greenberg and Jim Cramer to investigate this type of conduct against Overstock.Com and a handful of other companies. The constant spin and all-out assault from CNBC, Wall Street Journal, TheStreet.Com and Marketwatch against Overstock.Com, Dr. Patrick Byrne, and anyone who seems to have a different opinion than what Mr. Greenberg or Mr. Cramer, has you wonder, where there's smoke, there's fire. Though these journalists may ask that you "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" the curtain has already been pulled back for all to start to see.

I ask that you investigate this possible illegal activity and cover-up and give your thoughts on the matter without all the spin that most are using. I have respected your opinions for many years and look forward to your thoughts. Below are some links to peruse.

http://www.thesanitycheck.com/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx
http://www.thesanitycheck.com/BobsSanityCheckBlog/tabid/56/Default.aspx

Thank you and Best Wishes"

Kevin
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By rtway1 on 3/2/2006 3:00 PM
Rash has a serious problem or is just a ploy. I myself would like to see him go away and mingle with his friends that he feels most comfortable with. I feel we are a fair lot, who enjoy one anothers views and ideas, lets leave it that way, good people, good times.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By hwh on 3/2/2006 3:01 PM
Facts are: We are on the verge of a Structural Bull Market. The short Establishment that has enjoyed & prospered for the last 6-8 years is terrified of the consequences of the major market indices breaking out. There technically is nothing stopping the indices from screaming tio new all time highs, yes, the NASDAQ, too!
Particuliarly when aided by the massive short covering that must necessarily ensue once the move is on. They will use interest rates, terror, & an ongoing & intensified media blitz to prevent the inevitable. The people on the street, as proven by the recent polls are acutely aware & ready to apply leverage to retrieve their ill-gotten booty. The SEC, FED, & terrorists are standig ready to delay the occurrance so as to allow coverage. There has been ample time allowed already. Watch & see who is playing for whom. It will be painfully obvious as this unfolds. The Refco's of the world will be auctioned off just like the S & L's of the 80's. What sweet poetic justice...hhw
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By robelita on 3/2/2006 3:26 PM
Bobo,

diaperRash is like a used rubber-distasteful and ineffective.

Carry on bunny!
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By robelita on 3/2/2006 3:30 PM
No reason for this post-I just wanted 69 ;)
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By n-tres-ted on 3/2/2006 3:42 PM
No news out of the SEC today?

And, robelita, you're as funny as the bunny! I understand the view that humor can give the opposition another opportunity to spin, but I love having a good laugh in the process of having to deal with this very serious concern. I might agree if bobo and others weren't so good at the humor.
Response to Rashomon's BS raves. By bburrell on 3/2/2006 4:30 PM
In response to Rashomon's uninformed rave earlier, here is the post he finds objectionable, since he can't seem to read despite his PhD in Euro-History:

Are Financial Journalists Nazi's/Socialists/Communists in Drag? Remember Dan Dorfman?
Location: Blogs Bud Burrell - Front and Center
Posted by: bburrell 3/1/2006 7:50 AM
I witnessed some of the most unprofessional broadcast journalism in my life history yesterday and today, in the treatment of Dr. Patrick Byrne on Kudlow and Co, where a gang of jounalists literally shouted over his voice, and this morning on CNBC, where the same tactics were tried again, only to have Patrick hold up a sign sending every viewer to go to www.thesanitycheck.com for more information.

These tactics I witnessed were similar to those used by the left against Ann Coulter recently, and are mirrored in the conduct of the Brown Shirts supporting Hitler in Germany in the 1920's and 1930's, and the Communists throughout their history. The hard left has used these tactics for decades, because they didn't and don't have an intelligent response to or plan for the issues at hand. Ditto here.

I am in a rather unique position here, as I have actually done the work the journalists are supposedly expert on, and bluntly, they wouldn't be able to find their asses with both hands on a real trading desk. I could randomly sample the lawyers at the SEC or NASD, put them on a trading desk and tell them they had to make money honestly, and 99% would fail.

Professionalism exists in many forms. I made a career of being a translator of technical concepts for non-technical professionals. The latter is a description of our regulators and journalists. They can talk the talk, but they can't walk the walk. Lawyers are supposed to be instant experts in topics they have to argue on behalf of others, and bluntly on this topic they have been, with a few very noted exceptions, barely competent or outright incompetent. And they were in front of jurors that were less competent than they were, charicactures of the old joke about what do you call someone who got C's in Law School? Your Honor.

We have people who have never sold anything, never had public company responsibility of any kind, never invented anything, and IN FACT NEVER HAD A REAL JOB WHERE THEY HAD TO PERFORM judging others.

What is saw this morning smacks of the seeds of an impending financial revolution, and it is going to get very ugly, because the advocates with a platform are both prejudiced, and I believe, disrespectful and dirty. The dangerous part? The victims aren't going to put up with it anymore.

Back in the 1980's and 1990's, there was a jounalist named Dan Dorfman who covered financial stories with purported objectivitiy, that is, until he got paid to print some negative stories on companies by short sellers. He had to be caught three times before his career was ended. What he did was chicken manure next to the blasts of Herb Greenberg and Carol Remond.

Jim Cramer spat on a subpoena from the SEC on his show, throwing it on the ground on TV. If the SEC doesn't jam this conduct down his throat, then they need to be disbanded or broken up, with the pieces put under the Executive Branch. Chairman Cox has a real crisis here. He either stands up for his #2 Enforcement Lawyer, Thomsen, or the staff of the SEC should walk out in mass. His job would be effectively over right there.

One of the top lobbyists in DC has said that the corruption in our system is now beyond anything he has seen in 30 years. That is one hell of a statement, coming from one hell of a source. The petty baksheesh of DC is hardly one the better kept secrets in this country, but he isn't talking about this, but rather a pandemic of mega-corruption.

It is time to tell everyone to end this garbage, or let them know they will pay the price personally, and not institutionally.



Copyright ©2006 Bud Burrell

Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By Admiral Ackbar on 3/2/2006 7:16 PM
Bud,
Ann Coulter is about as much a journalist as Jim Cramer is(i.e. HACKS). If your going to make this a political ideology battle you are going to lose more people than you gain.
I tend to vote democrat precisley because of issues like the gutting of the glass stegall act and that horrible bankruptcy bill that passed last year and people like Richard Shelby and Sue Kelly who have stopped the movement to end naked shorting dead in its tracks.
I'll call a crook a crook but comaparing the criminals in this to leftists leaves some of us who lean left shaking our heads in bewilderment.
Oh and lieberman and james cramer(who recently suggested investing in companies that rape and pillage the earth) claim they are democrats but definately aren't by idealogy.
Please keep this non-partisan.
Thanks
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By stormchaser on 3/3/2006 5:01 AM
Rashamon....Heres a dime..call someone who gives a shit....
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By Patchie on 3/3/2006 7:29 AM
Since subpoenas were issued, there is a FORMAL investigation going on somewhere. Care to think where?

From WSJ:
The SEC staff can open an informal investigation without the blessing of the commissioners. For an investigation to attain "formal" status, which confers the right to issue subpoenas, commissioner approval is required. However, the commissioners traditionally aren't involved in the issuance of specific subpoenas.
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By InTheKnow on 3/2/2006 9:58 AM
The Wall Strret Journal is so off base and out of it. I put them in the same league as the Gary Weiss' blog, no posters and no credibility.

What a piece of dreck!

Settle the Trades or Settle in Jail!
Re: Why Does The WSJ Think Everyone West of 7th Ave Is A Moron? By bobo on 3/2/2006 10:06 AM
It is unfortunate, but the WSJ appears to have been every bit as co-opted as the rest of the mainstream NY press. Not surprising, really. But disappointing. I actually used to have high regard for their product.

Of course that was before their reporter got thrown off the retirement community grounds after being cited for trespassing while doing the Lord's work of trying to figure out who Bob O'Brien is. The red neon was the killer for me when I was sent the citation.

A red neon?

Yikes.

That turd, Eisinger, was on bashing OSTK yesterday on CNBC. What a surprise. The whole gang is being put to work