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On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up

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Posted by:   bobo 3/1/2006 5:16 PM

NOTE: 9:55 EST - Go read Dave Patch of Investigatethesec.com's new blog, wherein he reveals that Cramer NEVER sold a single share of TSCM stock until after the subpoenas hit - either that, or the counsel for TSCM was lying. Either way, fascinating reading. So Cramer and 4 execs all sold a bunch of stock between Feb. 14 and when they told the public about the subpoenas. Knock knock, SEC? Here's the numbers:

CRAMER JAMES J (Director)    17     $794,510.02

LONERGAN JAMES (President) 12    $1,587,073.90

MOGENSEN LISA (CFO)            12     $1,973,912.72 

CLARKE THOMAS J JR (CEO)  11    $3,301,406.94

And in case anyone missed it, go read Gayle Essary of FinancialWire's very funny satirical commentary in his guest blog, as well as Alan Newman's commentary from Crosscurrents.

And last, send this poll result to everyone you know - the vast majority of those surveyed think naked short selling should carry a penalty as stiff or stiffer than counterfeiting or fraud.

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“When the rules get in the way of making money, sometimes you have to bend the rules.”

Reportedly said tonight by Jim Cramer, CNBC personality and recipient of SEC subpoena.

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The last few days have been an eye-opener for many who believed that the NY financial media had any pretense of fairness.

They have been treated to gang-up style interviews on CNBC by guys like Kudlow, blatant grandstanding and demonizing by Cramer, the whole gang of lapdog journalists showing up to say nasty things about Byrne and OSTK, and a virtual news blackout on OSTK’s major victory in Marin County – where a judge ruled that the OSTK suit would move forward, and discovery would be granted.

Not a single one of the NY Media have reported on that.

Folks, this is how the actual world really is. The people you are told represent your interests, and are reporting the news for you, are actually talking heads that are lying to you. They lie by omitting critical data, by pretending that events don’t occur, and by following whatever agenda their big-money masters provide. It has never been more blatant, or obvious. The masks are off, they aren’t even pretending anymore, and everyone now sees and understands that these NY-based personalities are nothing more than footstools for the powers that be on Wall Street.

Again, OSTK’s case against Rocker Partners and Gradient will proceed into discovery – their failed SLAPP defense was tossed by the court, as it should have been.

In more not-so-surprising breaking news, Herb has been on CNBC literally every hour on the hour claiming to be the victim of some conspiracy, and not a single “journalist” or “reporter” has examined why the SEC might be going after him. Not one.

Wild.

I just heard that they are running commercials for Herb to be on tomorrow, to talk more about OSTK. He is being provided unlimited face time to argue his case of victimization.

Where else do we commonly hear the refrain, “I’m a victim, man, I din’t do nuthin?”

C.O.P.S.

That is the number one line of the bad guys when they are pulled out of their cars after a high speed chase, or caught with a gun and a kilo of coke.

I obviously don’t know whether Cramer or Herb or Carol or Rocker or TSCM or Gradient have done anything wrong. But the refrain is troubling.

For the layman at home, I thought I would try to demystify the NY show business aspect of this, by offering a glimpse of some of the behind the scenes goings-on at the television networks, so that the layman can appreciate how much preparation goes into these appearances.

First, Herb, or whoever, goes into the “green room” at the station, to collect his thoughts and prepare for the show.

 

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Next, the guest is taken into makeup, where their clothing is protected using CNBC's stylish new "Mad Money Overalls", and the magic of TV cosmetics are applied.

 

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Finally, a coach, or sometimes even the host, works with the guest to go over general responses.

 

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This isn’t as easy as it looks. A lot of time and effort goes into it. These are professionals, remember, and they have been at it for a long time.

And it is not for the faint of heart. So don’t try this at home…

Copyright ©2006 Bob O'Brien
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Comments (76)
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Claim Conspiracy, While Engaging in Cover-Up By Wonder Boy on 3/1/2006 5:53 PM
Cramer did say that or something similar but he was referring to his pick of a 'worst of breed' stock instead of his usual 'best of breed' choices and explaining why he was making the switch.

The funniest part, however, (and I just saw the first part of the show) was that he had just the head of a Cramer Doll attached to a lanyard that was around his neck! It looked hilarious! I would love to have 'just his head' to hang in my office, send to Ms. Thomsen at the SEC, send to HG with a note 'saying YOU'RE NEXT!, and some other fun things.

Great graphics!
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Claim Conspiracy, While Engaging in Cover-Up By clearthinker on 3/1/2006 5:54 PM
We should start communicating with the sponsors of CNBC. Personally, I will boycott all of them after this insane display of one-sidedness by the so-called "reporters. They have behaved like a lynch mob and refused to discuss the issues. Why did the second in command at the SEC feel compelled to issue subpoenas? They are obviously going after Byrne because they want to confuse the public, and it will work to some extent...bit it is sick. Patrick had it right last Summer wwhen he referred to the "miscreants ball"...and every day we watch them dance on CNBC. They refuse to touch naked shorting (wonder why).....

so be it...the genie is out of the bottle
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By dave on 3/1/2006 7:57 PM
These reporters constant denial of wrongdoing are going to give this issue more exposure than we could dream of.

At the first level, we want to get rid of corrupt reporters, research reports and manipulative hedge funds.

The real power is with the people who invest in the dirty hedge funds and who own the DTCC.

They will sacrifice the Cramers, Greenbergs, Cohen's and Rockers to keep the real story from exploding. The real story is that the central depository allowed more than one person to own each share they held. This is a massive breach of trust that they want to keep covered up.

This is a variation of cover up number 9, where they admit to some stock manipulation without admitting the settlement system is rotten to the core.

9. Come half-clean. This is also known as "confession and avoidance" or "taking the limited hang-out route." This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal "mistakes." This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By dave on 3/1/2006 7:58 PM
x-trapnell:

I'll add Bill for next time - I'm sure I missed others.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By dave on 3/1/2006 8:04 PM
Standards for guests on CNBC:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/TV_Info/P19674.asp
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Legal Eagle on 3/1/2006 8:11 PM
James Cramer, individually, didn't sell any shares of TSCM. All sales were by James J. and Karen L. Cramer Family Foundation. Get your facts straight next time Boob.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By dave on 3/1/2006 8:22 PM
Tell that to a jury of ordinary investors. They will see Cramer gives directions to the trustee and is beneficiary of the assets of the trust and won't be too concerned about technicalities re: ownership.

All they will see is that they were buying shares when his trust was selling based on material insider information and that trust money was spent on his lifestyle.

It's easy to lie with technicalities. "Bobby, did you take a cookie out of the cookie jar?"

"No mom."

(Hee, hee, I didn't take "a" cookie. I took two cookies!)

It's still lying and only someone without a moral compass would fail to see that.


Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By rtway1 on 3/1/2006 8:36 PM
Don,t let your lyin eyes fool you brother. Does that phrase bring back memories. You people have been living in the land of lies for so long, that reality has no place in your lives.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By taseraire on 3/1/2006 9:10 PM
Legal Eagle,

Unfortuneately, Jim's own SEC Form 4 filings disagree with you. The name on the on the forms is his alone. You have to be pretty exact in filling out those forms. Most of them in Feb are only in JJC's name

http://www.form4oracle.com/company?cik=0001080056&ticker=tscm
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By taseraire on 3/1/2006 9:14 PM
Note comments 2 and 3 on this form 4. This is an options exercise of options that don't expire for another year (so no excuse there). The notes are explicit that while there were 100K shares sold for the trust, these ain't them.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1014001/000095011706000874/xslF345X02/rsr_12452.xml
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By rtway1 on 3/1/2006 9:36 PM
I find this blog site funnier than my local daily comic section, I am getting addicted to waking up looking for more early morning humor, keep up the graphics they are priceless. I hope you got my E-mail from the TSCM earlier, I know your busy, hope I am not overloading. Some pretty funny stuff in there about the temprament of little Napoleon.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By troydian on 3/1/2006 5:58 PM
keep up the great work!! think about what they would be doing to you ....if you were down...
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By majordanger on 3/1/2006 6:00 PM
"methinks ye doth protest too much"

I wonder what the body language experts would say about these two scurrying cockroaches on TV every hour?
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By rashomon on 3/1/2006 6:04 PM
you guys are right on this one, the coverage by the media in general and CNBC in particular is ridiculous. like carnival acts. all real issues just drowned in nonsense. such hypocricy too -- i hope this causes a backlash against this BS cnbc and street.com "journalism" geared to moving particular stocks (for someones benefit).
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By x. trapnell on 3/1/2006 6:07 PM
One exception on CNBC seems to be Street Signs. Erin Burnett (Ron Insana's sucessor?) chose to feature naked shorting as her main theme, and went out of her way to track down and feature Pat's recommended site of www.locatestock.com. That hour was a blessed island of sanity compared to the rest. Wishful thinking, perhaps, but I sense some frustrated CBNC journalists who are likely sick of Cramer and Greenberg and want a more professional network. Burnett went way up today in my estimation and Quick far down.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By TOTALKNOWLEDGE2006 on 3/1/2006 6:13 PM
I SAY WE RAISE MONEY TO HIRE SOME BODY LANGUAGE EXPERTS TO TELL US ABOUT HANK GREENSLIME AND JIM KRABCAKES ON TV OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS.. LETS DO IT FOR REAL BOB OBRIEN AND SEE WHAT THE EXPERTS TELL US ABOUT THE 2 DIRTBAGS.. IM SURE THEY WILL TELL US WHAT LIARS THESE 2 ARE. I AGREE "ONE DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH".. ILL DONATE THE 1ST 100.00 BUCKS TO DO IT...
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Legal Eagle on 3/1/2006 9:47 PM
Taseraire, I suggest you take another look at the Form 4s. Yes JJC name is on it because he controls the Foundation. BUT, these were not personal shares. Secondly, receiving an SEC subpoena for documents IS NOT the same as being the subject of a formal SEC investigation. Being asked to produce documents in an investigation in which you are not the subject, is not a matter which requires immediate disclosure. No laws have been broken here, and nothing will come of the sale of TSCM shares.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1014001/000095011706000874/xslF345X02/rsr_12452.xml
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By bobo on 3/1/2006 9:41 PM
I have been getting, on average, 4 to 5 emails per minute for 10 hours per day.

Thank goodness for gmail.

Don't take it personally if I can't respond to all of them.

I too enjoy the cartoons - they make it more human. But they take a little time to do with a mouse, and I have to be in the mood. I have 4 other projects right now that are sitting ignored, so you can expect a bit more of a slowdown over the next week - maybe only one of mine every other day.

Between Dr. Decosta, and Dave Patch, and Mark Faulk, and Bud, and Alan Newman, and our other contributors, we have more info than we can handle. We are blessed in having an abundance of talent and vision here. What an amazingg 2 months it has been. Not even two. Wow.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By INTheKnow on 3/2/2006 12:51 AM
To the staff at CNBC:

CNBC and other reporters still, after being told by Patrick Bryne countless times that he is not, and has no qualms with short sellers , don't get it!

This is not about short selling this about "NAKED SHORT SELLING", counterfeiting stock, duping the public by selling them the Brooklyn Bridge.

Are CNBC reporters BRAIN DEAD! They certainly act and report that way. Either they have to be the dumbest collection of reporters or the have the heads in the sand!

Wake up reporters! This is about "NAKED SHORTING", i.e selling stock you never borrow and never have any intention of borrowing or deliverying and which the buyer has the gotten NOTHING! (THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE). GET IT YOU IDIOTS?
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By mfairview on 3/2/2006 2:48 AM
Bob, for contrast, you should put Martha Stewarts numbers next to the TSCM's Execs.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By settle the trades on 3/2/2006 3:04 AM

Interesting Article

What are the writers really writing?

http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/55008/
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ on 3/2/2006 5:00 AM
The subject matter was extremely technical, and near the end of the argument
High Court Tackles Political Boundry Case

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg dozed in her chair. Justices David Souter and Samuel Alito, who flank the 72-year-old, looked at her but did not give her a nudge.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060302/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_texas_redistricting_12
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Niel Storts on 3/2/2006 5:40 AM
So. The thing for all of us to do right now is get in touch with the sec and file a complaint about the blatant insisder trading.
locate stock dot com website By long_ostk on 3/2/2006 5:42 AM
Anyone know why Dr. Byrne was promoting this website? The founder of that company was on CNBC later in the day touting that if someone wanted to short OSTK that his company could find shares available for sale.

I dont get why Partrick would promote someone that is helping people short his stock? Anyone have any ideas?
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Patchie on 3/2/2006 5:45 AM
Legal,

1. Exercising Options by selling the shares is a sale. Executives receive a large percentage of their salaries in Stock Options. Cramer took cheap stock and sold it and did so at a very opportune time.
2. The stock in those Trusts were originally shares he held and transferred over. While he personally may not have received the cash, his family members did by selling shares of stock he once owned and shares he was managing for these trusts.

If you go to my Blog the Goldstein memo clearly states that Cramer never sold shares Directly or Indirectly. The Trusts are the Indirect and this now shows he did.

BTW..Did you notice how several exec's exercised their options on the same day the Company put out a press Release on a Dividend?
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By dave on 3/2/2006 5:49 AM
"asked to produce documents in an investigation in which you are not the subject,"

Legal Eagle, do you know that Cramer is not a subject of the investigation? Is that public info. somewhere or have you seen the subpoena?
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By taseraire on 3/2/2006 5:50 AM
patch,
legal's just pointing out the fact that as of the letter date from Cramer's "I'm calling my mommy" laywer is dated before the first sale.

That doesn't make what happened at TSCM with Cramer and their whole staff dumping shares after the "buyout rumor", probably started by the same people started the "Taser is stuffing the channel" rumor that got the SEC on their unoffiical back for most of last year for no reason except a hedge fund manager making a profit on lies.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By leonofus on 3/2/2006 5:54 AM
come on now, He is very charitable. He's got to scam a little on the side. You people are grasping at straws. JC is a great American, and if you could ask him, he'd tell you.

These cretins will start selling each other down the river like the criminals in a 1940's film noir B movie.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Patchie on 3/2/2006 6:06 AM
Legal,

The difference between an "informal" investigation and a "formal investigation" is subpoenas. In the case of TASER, the investigation was "informal" for 9 months where subpoenas were not necessary and TASER complied with requests. Sometime in September it went formal and subpoenas were probably served.

The investigation into Gradient was informal and maybe based on the subpoenas it went formal.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By hemingway811 on 3/2/2006 6:34 AM
Bobo,

You wrote ".....where a judge ruled that the OSTK suit would move forward, and discovery would be granted." Do you have confirmation that discovery will proceed, despite an appeal being filed? I ask because someone posted a recent Ca. Supreme Court decision suggesting otherwise.

http://www.casp.net/delfino1.html
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By bobo on 3/2/2006 7:27 AM
Hemingway: I presume it will go forward. If the appeal stops it, then they simply delay the inevitable. This isn't, and will never be, about free speech. That is a canard being thrown up in order to obfuscate the obvious - that this is about colluding to produce damaging reports in order to depress the price of a stock, and then frontrunning those reports.

Discovery is inevitable. That they are squirming so much to delay it should tell one much...
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By House Of Pain on 3/2/2006 7:30 AM
Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE
And on his show he had some sheep
E I E I OWE
With a BOOYAH here
And a BOOYAH there
Here a BOO
There a BOO
Everywhere a BOO BOO
Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE

Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE
And on his show he had Herb Greenberg
E I E I OWE
With a SELL SELL here
And a SELL SELL there
Here a SELL
There a SELL
Everywhere a SELL SELL
Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE

Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE
And on his show he had SEARS HOLDING
E I E I OWE
With a BUY 1 SHARE here
And a BUY 1 SHARE there
Here a BUY
There a BUY
Everywhere a BUY BUY
Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE

Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE
And on his show he had OVERSTOCK
E I E I OWE
With a SELL SELL here
And a SELL SELL there
Here a SELL
There a SELL
Everywhere a SELL SELL
Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE

Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE
And on his show he had some sheep
E I E I OWE
With a BOOYAH here
And a BOOYAH there
Here a BOO
There a BOO
Everywhere a BOO BOO
Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE

Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE
And on his show he had Herb Greenberg
E I E I OWE
With a SELL SELL here
And a SELL SELL there
Here a SELL
There a SELL
Everywhere a SELL SELL
Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE

Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE
And on his show he had Lampert
E I E I OWE
With a BUY 1 SHARE here
And a BUY 1 SHARE there
Here a BUY
There a BUY
Everywhere a BUY BUY
Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE

Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE
And on his show he had OVERSTOCK
E I E I OWE
With a SELL SELL here
And a SELL SELL there
Here a SELL
There a SELL
Everywhere a SELL SELL
Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE

Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE
And on his show he had ELIOT SPITZER
E I E I OWE
With a VOTE 4 HIM here
And a OUR NEXT GOVERNOR there
Here a VOTE
There a VOTE
Everywhere a VOTE VOTE
Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE

Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE
And on his show he had RHEO
E I E I OWE
With a BUY SELL here
And a SELL BUY there
Here a BUY
There a SELL
Everywhere a BUY SELL
Jimmy Cramer had a show
E I E I OWE
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By House of Pain on 3/2/2006 7:32 AM
With a Boo Boo here

Ignore the double verses
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By cynabear on 3/2/2006 7:40 AM
less we forget....
from NFI message Board
clearing system
03/02/06 09:21 am
Msg: 409050

We are making good progress against Rocker and his propaganda team, but I'm concerned that we aren't making any progress on the root of the problem, the clearing system.

Somehow, the media is changing the issue from settlement failures to stock manipulation. That's great, but if we don't fix the settlement problem, another Greenberg/Rocker combination will come along.

I think the fails dwarf the numbers the DTCC has disclosed so far as most of the problem is at the level of the clearing participants, not at the level of the DTCC.

Over 90% of US brokerages are "introducing brokerages". They hold their stock in third party clearing houses. Those clearing houses in turn hold the stock at the DTC.

All of the biggest failures so far have been in x-clearing with these clearing houses, because not only is the DTCC lending out the shares, but the clearing house lends those exact same shares out again.

The biggest failures - Adler Coleman, MJK Clearing, Refco have been at the clearing level and from some of the DTC sheets I've seen, it is common for clearing houses to have hardly any shares. They hold the shares on behalf of introducing brokerages (who may already have less shares than their clients), then they lend them all out.

The reason is that the courts have ruled that the clearing house is not responsible to police, even if it is obvious that the introducing brokerage is committing fraud.

The clearing house has NO incentive to stop transactions that are making them money.

Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Chris Cox on 3/2/2006 7:57 AM
Mr. Cox, Head of the SEC, was just on cnbc with Liz C. & Charlie G. and what he said put the fear of G*d in Liz's face.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Patchie on 3/2/2006 8:05 AM
and....
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By WickedWorld on 3/2/2006 8:09 AM
That was me that wrote that. I meant to make "Chris Cox" the subject. Not the author. I'll post more in a moment.

My apologies.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Scott on 3/2/2006 8:14 AM
Cox, I believe, was laying the groundwork for going ahead with the subpoenas, but that's just my guess. He separated the notion of subpoenas to honest journalists which would effective chill free speech versus subpoenas to journalists who are being investigated for fraud. He said their meeting today was to discuss the criteria for when subpoenas are issued to journalists. We'll see what happens..
Chris Cox on cnbc By WickedWorld on 3/2/2006 8:14 AM
Liz point blank asked him if the reports were true that he was unhappy with the issuance of the subpoenas. He basically said those reports are inacccurate.

He also said that financial journalists should be held to a HIGHER and DIFFERENT standard. Went on to use the "dirty cop" analogy.

Charlie G. did not participate much in the discussion.

IMO, it was a very good appearance.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Wonder Boy on 3/2/2006 8:33 AM
I am guessing that a portion of the commission meeting will be spent discussing the definition of a 'journalist' or 'member of the media'. Are Cramer and Greenberg REALLY 'journalists'?
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By rashomon on 3/2/2006 8:34 AM
Fair article on the issues including the below quote from byrne sr. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060302.ROVERSTOCK02/TPStory/B usiness

While the fight rages, Mr. Byrne's 74-year old father, John, who is a director of Overstock.com, is getting a bit impatient. In an interview yesterday, John Byrne said he has every confidence in his son but added: "There may be something to this, I don't know whether there is or there isn't. I wish he would just pay attention to just running his company. That's the problem with the world today, sons don't do what their father's tell them to do."
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By InTheKnow on 3/2/2006 8:39 AM
Cox said it like it is and I would not want to be in Remond, Cramer or Greenbergs shoes!

Settle the Trades or Settle in Jail.

Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Just Someone on 3/2/2006 8:39 AM
I was interrested in the part about the wall between politics and enforcement and him being under scrutiny for jumping the wall. Just listening once I couldn't tell what his answer was through all the political tap dancing.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By hemingway811 on 3/2/2006 8:40 AM
My take is Cox is going to allow the enforcement division to proceed with action related to the subpoenas. Twice he made remarks related to maintaining a separation between the enforcement division and politics. He also said there were no remonishments. I must have heard him incorrectly because there is no such word. I think he meant to say admonishments.

Overall I found Liz Claman to be well-balanced in the questions she asked. Charlie Gasparino asked some very good questions.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By here's the beef on 3/2/2006 9:01 AM
cynabear, tell me more. could this be the state of affairs in our brokerage & settlement systems. then it's so broken. is anyone out there??? following statement should be sent to all regulators, policy makers...
follow up on this, for once!!!

All of the biggest failures so far have been in x-clearing with these clearing houses, because not only is the DTCC lending out the shares, but the clearing house lends those exact same shares out again.
The biggest failures - Adler Coleman, MJK Clearing, Refco have been at the clearing level and from some of the DTC sheets I've seen, it is common for clearing houses to have hardly any shares. They hold the shares on behalf of introducing brokerages (who may already have less shares than their clients), then they lend them all out.
The reason is that the courts have ruled that the clearing house is not responsible to police, even if it is obvious that the introducing brokerage is committing fraud.
The clearing house has NO incentive to stop transactions that are making them money. >
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By mcd on 3/2/2006 9:08 AM
on the earlier posted question here, why would Byrne help someone short his stock...well, he may have learned from warren Buffett,how well that can work.. I believe it was USG which warren had bought,and he collected the premiums from lending it out to be shorted all the way down to around 3 doillars...Then the clouds started to dissipate over USG/Asbestos cases, and USG stock started to rise, to around 80 dollars..so Buffett earned on the way down, ansd on the way up....
cox on cnbc By long_ostk on 3/2/2006 9:23 AM
can someone post a video link?

"Chris Cox on cnbc By WickedWorld on 3/2/2006 8:14 AM
Liz point blank asked him if the reports were true that he was unhappy with the issuance of the subpoenas. He basically said those reports are inacccurate.

He also said that financial journalists should be held to a HIGHER and DIFFERENT standard. Went on to use the "dirty cop" analogy.

Charlie G. did not participate much in the discussion.

IMO, it was a very good appearance. "
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By bobo on 3/2/2006 9:43 AM
My understanding is that Byrne has not lent one share of his stock.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By jcline on 3/2/2006 9:46 AM
Cox has to go ahead with the subpoenas IMO. If not, he loses face and the entire enforcement division becomes totally impotent, and so does he for head honcho. Not that they are making waves big enought to effect sweeping needed changes as we all see them , but even if he is anti- enforcement, he would be shooting himself if the foot not to proceed. He is none the less between the proverbial rock and a hard spot on this one. If he plans to stay on, he has to make himself look good now.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By robelita on 3/2/2006 10:45 AM
Damn you HOP!

I can't-Jimmy Cramer had a show-get that tune-Jimmy Cramer had a show-out of my head-E I E I OWE. CURSES!

E I E I OWE-pffffffftttttt
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By taseraire on 3/1/2006 9:54 PM
Legal,
Like I said, on the last form 4 I directly posted, Notes 2 and 3 are clear that those options exercises are not part of the 100K shares that were sold for the foundation.

But don't let being told twice to read the fine print get in the way of your spin.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By yoyo on 6/3/2006 6:56 AM
http://www.secform4.com/insider/showhistory.php?cik=tscm
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Herd Greenturdht on 3/1/2006 10:07 PM
Herd Greentudht's Frontrunning Check Newsletter here! Taking nominations for worst front runner of the year in my next column. Who's going to win? Subscribe to my newsletter, if you do and need some help in return, I'm open for business baby!

Meanwhile, back at the FUD Ranch, subpoenas and SEC talk flying around Gradschool Analytics, Rocked Pardners, Doubt Jones, and JJ Kreamer...calls to these emotional nutcases were not returned. What else are they hiding?

I call them like I see 'em. Or how my paying subscribers see 'em.

Cheers!
Herd.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By clearthinker on 3/1/2006 10:23 PM
Legal Eagle - please comment on Jim Cramer being served Feb 7...then selling large blocks of TSCM..and THEN telling the public he received the sub......

If I were a shareholder of TSCM...I'd be throwing more than chairs
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By bobo on 3/1/2006 10:35 PM
Legal: Whether or not this is a trust/foundation issue is largely irrelevant to the central question of whether this hints at impropriety. I am open to correcting my statements if there is definitive proof that they are wrong - I am bound to get some wrong, being only human, and don't wish to mislead my readers. Post a link or send me an email at ncans.mgr@gmail.com and you will find me most responsive.

Contrast that to Reuters still having the wrong URL even after countless emails demanding correction from a variety of sources - 14 hours later. Apparently a humble bunny blogger surpases the standards of the NY press 100% of the time, at present.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By whosyouruncle on 3/1/2006 11:12 PM
Two weeks ago, who could have envisaged all the airtime hours CNBC is devoting to insulate Cramer and Greenberg from their involvement in an alleged hedge fund - research - reporter stock manipulation cabal, the repercussions from which threaten an ever-widening blotch on their and CNBC's escutcheons? Or their increasing mention of "naked shorting", even if blurred with legal short selling? Also. the number of non-Wall Street and west-of-the Hudson river articles and blogs that see through the charade?

In fact, the speed and momentum of this emerging publicity could not have been bought, and we should all be thankful that CNBC's legal advisers think this is money well spent. At some point CNBC will have to distance itself from Cramer and Greenberg. Am I correct in seeming to notice larger and more extensive disclaimers about Cramer's selections and comments being his own, and not CNBC's, even in spots other than Mad Money?


Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Just Someone on 3/1/2006 6:18 PM
Rules? We don't need no stinkin' rules!

http://www.etailgifts.com/images/getoutofjailcc.jpg

Courtesy of Chairman Cox
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Tina on 3/1/2006 6:23 PM
Just like the OJ trial. Go after the cop using the "n" word to deflect the real issue. Unfortunately, it worked.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By rtway1 on 3/1/2006 6:24 PM
I want to preface my statement by saying I am a proud shareholder of OSTK , not only because of the products or the service they provide, but because I see a man that is not only a class gentleman, but displays qualities that I beleive we are loosing daily. Plus he surrounds himself with people of the same makeup. This is entirely my idea to write this, so that some whack says anything different, it is a lie. Today somebody made a suggestion and I acted on it, as I hope more of you will. For all that Patrick and Bob and all the other great people have done, I felt the appropriate action to show my thanks and also help my company, was to go shopping on OSTK web site. The one thing the scum of this cabal want to see, is this business fail. I for one am not going to let it happen. I direct all my family and friends to Overstock for their needs, I hope others will do the same. Again, nobody other than I know I am writing this. Thanks to all of the people on this site also.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By mcd on 3/2/2006 11:41 AM
Bob,

not suggesting Byrne has ever/will ever lend his stock..just clarifying why someone would enable stock
don't foget Jack, Pat, and Mark all know Buffett/hedge funds /short strategies very well....they could laugh all the way to the bank at the expense of the NSS'ers.....kind of poetic justice ,wouldn't you think :-)
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By majordanger on 3/1/2006 6:24 PM
We are all baudy language experts now.. god bless the internet

http://members.aol.com/nonverbal2/diction1.htm

I gotta go watch for jumping adam's apples on Cramer's show now

Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By Just Someone on 3/1/2006 6:41 PM
This could be cool if if were thrown together with pieces of the pimpin' show.
http://www.wimp.com/address/
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By browntrout on 3/1/2006 6:45 PM
So- How much TV time will CNBC allocate to these two slimebags and their friends before someone at the network puts a stop to it. This is non-stoppnig coverage for these turds to continually declare their innocence and trash Patrick and Overstock as the root of their problems and they all declare including Rocker and Gradient that this is some massive conspiracy against them now. HAHAHAHA! They are the ones now wearing the tin-foil hats instead of Patrick, Patch and Bunny. Looks like there are many more involved in this at the network because of the full court press they are all executing daily. I hear your first night in prison is the worst. Crying yourself to sleep, wetting your bed and than Bubba drops in.
Re: On The Media Feeding Frenzy to Tout Conspiracy Theories, While Engaging In A Cover-Up By the fly on the wall on 3/1/2006 6:48 PM
Herb is going to discuss the OSTK lawsuit? That would be the one that is going forward. I didn't know that he was involved in it. Maybe he knows something we don't know.

It is not unusual for people to gather the wagons. When the honest guys figure out what is happening, they will be the harshest critics. It is pretty hard to cast off a stand-up guy that you have known and worked with and trust. First, people don't want to believe it and go into denial. The woman that interviewed Patrick must have some serious problems because she tried desperately to put him down. She wouldn't have needed to do that unless she has a vested interest in the outcome. It makes me think of three reasons that she would act that way. She may have an emotional attachment to one of the main players. She may actually know about the front-running and have some skeletons, or she is just incompetent and doesn't realize that she slit her own thoat this morning.

The OSTK and BVF lawsuits and the affidavits