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Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You

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Posted by:   bobo 2/28/2006 7:02 AM

1:03 EST - Update. Patrick Byrne was on Bloomberg, and made the comment that the short interest in OSTK is now 8.9 million shares, when there are only 8.4 million shares at the DTC. In other news, Cramer, in his blog, simultaneously says he respects the government's duty to investigate miscreants, but paints his own investigation as a witch hunt. Man, I wish I had a dollar for every perp who has ever declared himself to be a victim of the man. The prisons are filled with innocent men. Anyway, now he is claiming that there is a conspiracy involving Byrne, the SEC, and parties unknown. Isn't it odd that the guy who was calling Patrick a loon is now the biggest conspiracy theorist out there? Anyway, that is the latest..

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3:38 EST - Further Update. Jim Cramer - Victim, or shifty, guilty dog? You decide. A few minutes ago, on Ron Insana's show, Cramer and Herb were doing their tag-team of outrage, and they were discussing the companies in the subpoena - NFI, OSTK, OVTI - and Cramer blurted out, "I like OVTI" or something much like that. Wrong, Jim, or rather, incomplete answer, no? You didn't until just recently, and the subpoena isn't likely for the last few weeks, ya think? Seems just a wee bit, well disingenious, doesn't it? Here, from http://www.madmoneyrecap.com/daily_summary_111705.htm

"OVTI: #2 MOST HEAVILY SHORTED STOCK ON THE NASDAQ.  THIS STOCK BOTTOMED AT ABOUT 12.00 LAST WEEK. IT'S UP ABOUT 25% SINCE THEN WITH A 39% SHORT RATIO. IT MAKES SEMICONDUCTORS FOR IMAGE SENSOR DEVICES. I DON'T LIKE IT. IT'S MISSED ITS LAST TWO QTRS AND I THINK THE ESTIMATES ARE STILL TOO HIGH.".

Jim, Sweety, gotta keep it linear, n'est pas? Try to keep the stories straight. Take a minute out from shrieking, "Byrne is out to get me" and, "I'm a victim of persecution" and try to keep the fish stories in order - how will it look on the stand if you're saying you liked a company you were bashing for the period the subpoena covers? Really. This is amateurish. Get some rest. Stay away from the caffeine, or anything else overly-stimulating. Think things through - you are making dumb mistakes now - the kinds of mistakes shifty, guilty dogs make. Straighten up...you might soon have a date with destiny...Wait - this just in - someone emailed me that Cramer said he "should have lit the subpoena on fire." Now Jim, is that any way to go on? Nobody likes a potty mouth...

Further Cramer fun: His "I only met Rocker once, in a grocery store" line is by now a classic, but his latest bit about never having heard of Gradient/Camelback should be easy to check. Anyone have any fun links? Here's one where Camelback is slamming Biovail in TheStreet.com: http://www.thestreet.com/_forbes/comment/adamfeuerstein/10178520_2.html</a>

Send me any research you can...

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After watching the Mad Money episode from last night, I have to say that I have never seen as reckless a disregard for the rule of law and the authority of a regulator demonstrated by a member of the media before.

One word kept jumping into my consciousness as I watched, mouth agape:

Contempt.

Sheer, unbridled contempt for the authority of the SEC, and for the general rule of law.

It was hard to misinterpret Mr. Cramer’s actions. As he hurled the SEC subpoena on the floor, I wasn’t confused. When he held it up at the end, with “Bull” written across it, I wasn’t grasping for what he was trying to convey.

It came across loud and clear:

Hey, SEC? F you. You can’t touch me. I’m a force apart from you, and you have no control over me. Those stupid rules for the rubes? Not mine. I don’t defer to you, and I sure as hell don’t answer to you.

That about sums it up. Arrogant, unrepentant, rebellious, contemptuous of the regulator’s office and of its authority – the man did everything but pull down his trousers on national TV, and wipe his A with the subpoena. It was hard to mistake. And all done with incredible insincerity, faux outraged dignity, and a conspicuous lack of believability - and of course, trying to spin the yarn that there is now a conspiracy against him. They just sounded so, well, sleazy and shifty, like "The Lying Guy" from SNL. Know what I mean?

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When I read the weekend NY Times and the NY Post coverage of the developing story, I was confused, because they seemed to feel that this was a 1st Amendment issue – safeguarding the sanctity of the freedom of the press – which I agree is fundamental to the American way of life.

And yet this morning’s coverage demonstrates the stark contrast between the NY press’ spin on things, and the rest of the country’s. Here are some excerpts of this morning’s NY Post bit from Roddy Boyd (who claims the SEC “withdrew” the subpoenas), followed by some snippets from the LA Times (which contends the Commission is reviewing them this week) – are they writing about the same story?

The NY Post:

“After a storm of criticism, the SEC on Friday withdrew (emphasis added) those subpoenas, issued to two Dow Jones columnists, Herb Greenberg of MarketWatch and Carol Remond of Dow Jones Newswires.

Yesterday, Cox publicly rebuked SEC staff attorneys for filing the Dow Jones subpoenas without first consulting him.”


You can view Roddy’s column here: www.nypost.com/business/64330.htm

The LA Times:

” "The sensitive issues that such a subpoena raises are of sufficient importance that they should, and will, be considered and decided by the commission before this matter proceeds further," he said...

Thomsen declined Monday to talk about the subpoena or the investigation. In an interview, she maintained that SEC subpoenas were issued only after careful consideration.

"We don't issue subpoenas willy-nilly," Thomsen said. "Without regard to any particular investigation, we're going to do it with great care, based on where the evidence is taking us."

Cox has been trying to calm some of those corporate critics while assuring the public that he remains committed to robust enforcement.

"Investors have every right to expect that there will be an aggressive program of securities law enforcement," he said. Speaking of the enforcement chief, he added, "My estimate of Linda Thomsen is the same as it has been since the day I met her. She is absolutely outstanding."

The LA Times piece can be viewed here. Note the contrast between the coverage.

But as the saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words, or maybe in this case, a million New York words.

What I got watching Cramer was an arrogant, contemptuous sociopath who openly mocks the integrity and authority of the regulators, and who is using the most convenient shield available with which to protect himself. And that is the tame opinion.

It reminds me of old TV shows, where the crooked narco-trafficker is hiding behind his diplomatic passport, relying on that to safeguard him from the repercussions of his mis-deeds. Anyone that is going to frame the SEC’s investigation into a stock manipulation scheme (involving a ring of collusive hedge funds, media personalities, and research organizations) as some kind of an effort to usurp the freedom of the press, had best take a good long hard look at Mr. Cramer’s behavior and tone.

This isn’t about freedom of speech, or freedom of the press.

This is about spoiled, wealthy, arrogant megalomaniacs who believe that the rule of law doesn’t apply to them - that they are untouchable. That was obvious from Mr. Cramer’s composure. He just doesn’t think anyone can do anything to him. He’s too rich, too successful, and above all, a “member of the media.”

This distance from accountability typifies the tone from Herb and from AP, as well. They don’t feel that they should be subjected to an investigation of malfeasance and manipulation involving the press – somewhere along the road freedom to express oneself without censure became synonymous with freedom to get away with murder.

I don’t buy it for a second. And the American public doesn’t either. The CNBC poll last night showed 89% of respondents approved of the SEC’s actions. They aren’t buying the NY media’s spin of these subpoenas – and that should be a wake-up call to Commissioner Cox, as well as anyone plying the “they’re victims” bit. It doesn’t wash. And Investrend’s poll shows 92% think that Christopher Cox should be rebuked for his handling of the subpoenas thus far – the poll can be viewed here.

Of note is that the number two person at the SEC, Linda Chatman Thomsen, the Director of Enforcement, was aware of these subpoenas. This is the person who has actual hands-on experience running investigations, and who understands what needs to be done to catch bad guys. Thomsen has many years of experience doing exactly that. With all due respect to Commissioner Cox, he has exactly zero experience working in Enforcement, and has demonstrated exactly no acumen germane to successfully investigating and prosecuting miscreants. This is a critical call for him to ultimately make, and I believe it will either destroy, or solidify, his legacy at the SEC.

If he, a political appointee, interferes with an ongoing Enforcement investigation, and for political reasons decides to alter the course of that investigation, then he jeopardizes the integrity of the regulator as a policing entity in the markets. It will send the clear message that if you apply the right pressure, or are rich and powerful enough, you won’t be burdened with the sorts of inquiries lesser mortals are required to endure. And it will destroy Enforcement’s capability to be effective – forget about what it will do to morale.

If the Commissioner allows Cramer’s contemptuous face-slap to stand, he might as well turn out the lights on his way out the door. The SEC has gone through a difficult and dark period, where it spent a fortune to prosecute Martha Stewart for a trifle in comparison to the allegations being made in the OSTK case. If Cox allows Cramer’s flinging of the symbol of the SEC’s authority to the ground to go uncontested, then he diminishes the office he occupies, and he earns the low regard with which Mr. Cramer clearly holds the Commission.

As the LA Times notes, the SEC doesn’t pass out subpoenas to guys with such a high profile as a Cramer or a Greenberg unless they have a pretty good idea of what they will find. It isn’t fishing – it is getting confirmation of what they are pretty sure they already have in the bag. That’s how they operate. They gather the info, and then once they are close enough, they go in and get the final proof.

I’m not saying they are guilty until proven innocent. But alternatively, I don't believe that just because one claims some media affiliation, that immunizes one from investigation, or prosecution. Let the facts be known, not hidden. No more cover-ups using facile excuses and flimsily-constructed hiding places. Freedom of the press is far too precious to allow miscreants to flaunt it - to use it to taunt law enforcement and regulators; to wield it to thwart legitimate inquiry.

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Mark my words. These guys will spend a lot of time and money and effort to make this SEC investigation something it isn’t – a witch hunt, a persecution of the press, preposterous, you name it. I believe that it is all a cynical attempt to deflect unwarranted attention, and to leverage the power of the media, in order to quash legitimate inquiry.

The OSTK suit, to my eye alleges a number of materially illegal things, not the least of which is a network of manipulators colluding with the media to create and to time negative pieces, for the sole purpose of profiting by a targeted stock’s price declining.

That isn’t freedom of the press.

That is stock manipulation.

If these people are involved, they shouldn’t be allowed to tarnish the protections that are so hard fought for the press. Being shielded from having to divulge a source that leaked sensitive government information is not the same as being shielded from having to give up your emails and phone records because the regulators have very good reason to believe that you’ve been doing something illegal - records that are specific to your CONDUCT – not necessarily as a reporter, but as a collusive member of a stock manipulation scheme. That has nothing to do with speech, or the press. It certainly isn’t what the 1st Amendment was designed for – to protect the press from censorship due to the content of their message.

I can appreciate the distinction.

Anybody that can stand up with a straight face and defend the actions of Mr. Cramer as in some way representative of freedom of the press is absolutely out of their mind.

So, to recap: Cramer to SEC – F you. Cramer to investors: I’m better than you and don’t have to observe your rule of law, or your regulators’ authority. Cramer to the NY Press corps: make my arrogant dismissal of the SEC into a 1st Amendment battle. Cramer to his choagies: they can’t touch me.

Any questions?

Copyright ©2006 Bob O'Brien
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Comments (145)
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By Just Someone on 2/28/2006 7:29 AM
Give the SEC a break. The can hardly handle Martha.
Muffins anyone?
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By capt jake on 2/28/2006 7:41 AM
I know I'm not the smartest on the block, but restated numbers this morning only brought ostk down farther. Is it possible to find a cronie research firm to put out some buy reports? Maybe it's not possible to manipulate after all.

http://willblogforboat.com
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By rufus on 2/28/2006 8:35 AM
Considering how many times I've seen Cramer throw his own book across the set on Mad Money (along with chairs and what have you) I wasn't particularly surprised to see him fling a subpeona as well. Flinging things is part of his on air persona. I didn't catch the "Bull" clip though. Not wishing him well, mind you, just not outraged like some here.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By bobo on 2/28/2006 8:37 AM
What Gary is referring to as counterfeits are the share "Entitlements" created by the stock borrow program, for which there are insufficient genuine shares to support them. Some argue that the creation of Entitlements, with no genuine share to support that electronic book entry, is counterfeiting. There is merit for that argument, as the entitlements are represented to the holders thereof as genuine shares, complete with all rights of a share, and yet they possess none of them.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By hemingway811 on 2/28/2006 8:38 AM
I just sent an e-mail to Linda Thomsen regarding the malignment of NFI (Greenberg & others) and the manipulation of its stock for going on four years. They can't claim lack of profits or bad business model with NFI. I included this blog entry and the latest results on the CNBC poll.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By AWS on 2/28/2006 9:00 AM
Bobo-

Decimillionaire would be correct, measured in 1921 German Deutchmarks. I am a humble guy who enjoys winding up your class-war mongering buddies from time to time. Remember, you're the one with the timepiece winder...I'm too cheap. Want my 1991 Honda Accord wagon or the 2000 minivan [Vanity Plates: BSDICK...you think?] I was no Michael Jordan...only a Mitch Kupchak stuck on the end of the bench, hoping for a few minutes in garbage time. But don't let that get in the way of a good tar-n-feathering. I was in the business to get out of it, like a lot of good folks. That attitude don't mint gazillionaires. Lifestyle & spending approximately matches the 4-person family mean in my county. New Hampshire ain't Greenwich CT.

But enough about me. You think that Cramer's subpoena is some American flag being dragged through the dirt. Nice imagery. I happen to think that Cramer & Greenberg are right on this one. Without a direct money-link from a criminal conspirator to the journalists, the press should be off-limits. If the SEC wants to poke around, they can't start there. The trail has to point back at them, and there has to be a measurable incentive. Otherwise, they're doing their jobs.

Difference between you and me, Bob, is (besides the fact that you probably have more coin in the bank) that I sometimes see things Paddy's and your way and sometimes I see things Greenberg's way. You say NSS conspiracy, I say FTDs and a tight borrow.

You got yourself a positive feedback loop here, Bub.

Fair 'n Balanced'ly Yours,

- The guy who said Kudlow was an A-hole for that ambush yesterday
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By grandma on 2/28/2006 9:05 AM
Salary can be used as a pay off.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By lenofus on 2/28/2006 9:09 AM
PB was just on Bloomberg saying shorts are 108% of the float. 'All I want is someone to address this at CNBC.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By rashomon on 2/28/2006 9:17 AM
I'm pretty convinced the SEC had solid evidence before they issued the subpeonas to Herb et al.. It would be collosally stupid not to -- just doesnt make sense particularly if the top enforcement heads in DC did indeed sign off on them. And to have the targets ridicule the subpeonas and claim the sanctity of free press -- this could backfire on them big time. Absolutely, the govt needs to respect the sanctity of sources for journalists, and those journalists cannot be intimidated into not writing factually based controversial pieces that may ultimately take down or damage a company or person. They have to have the freedom to do that.

BUT, lets trust for a minute that the SEC would not issue such controversial subpeonas without layers of hard evidence. Betcha theres at least samples of correspondence where HG talks about shorting the pig to zero and inquiring how short the fund is and revealing the timing of the release of potentially market-moving articles. Should journalists get so close to funds and become members of the "boo-ya" fraternity that prides itself on moving stocks and markets?

I'm torn because on the issuer side there is the vast PR machine at their disposal (including Ibanks and analysts) that frequently molds coverups and/or half-truths that sucker investors. There have to be countervailing oppositional investigative voices heard. It would be sad if some of those more well-known voices went too far.

And I think it is just disgusting that they ridicule their subpeonas as personal or part of a conspiracy out to silence them when they themselves almost always presume guilt when anyone else gets a SEC subpeona. For instance, if a company or exec is or has been subject of an investigation or subpeona that is normally taken as proof that they are crooked.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By AWS on 2/28/2006 9:19 AM
//What Gary is referring to as counterfeits are the share "Entitlements" created by the stock borrow program, for which there are insufficient genuine shares to support them. Some argue that the creation of Entitlements, with no genuine share to support that electronic book entry, is counterfeiting. There is merit for that argument, as the entitlements are represented to the holders thereof as genuine shares, complete with all rights of a share, and yet they possess none of them.//

It makes perfect sense that you characterize them this way.

It also makes sense that money in your bank account could be termed counterfeit because your bank branch doesn't have enough cash in the tills to deliver banknotes to everyone.

Reg Sho deals with FTDs, which you/PB like to call IOUs or as some say, counterfeits. Poor word. Shares can be lent multiple times allowing for legal/settled shorts in excess of float or issuance. When shares are later removed from the lending pool, FTDs result. Some call this NSS [I reserve that term for strategic naked short selling with the intent of driving shares south] because of the lack of a locate. I call them FTDs, because a long-lender who then sells out is in a different legal situation than the bad guy in the Caymans or Tyrolia. He sold out of his "long" (lent) creating a fail. [I'll stop now - folks, I have a model in the forums section...growing moss.]

Run on shares....run on banks. Any company with a huge short base will have the problems that PB faces. There will be voting allocation problems.

To prove "my" version of NSS, one needs more than fails data or short shares as % of float. I'm still waiting for something solid to shake my foundation. Laws are likely being skirted by the BD community and I await the evidence on this front.

Again, I hope PB has some really good evidence to back up his claims. I don't want to see him crash and burn.

So for "You think you're so smart, Jesus" rtway1...the crib notes: I want PB to ferret out the bad in the system. If there is hard evidence of a conspiracy, bring it on. Don't throw a month's worth of soiled pants against the wall hoping that some will stick. The press isn't an enemy of Overstock that impressive sales and profits won't fix in a hurry.

*** SPECIAL ALERT *** By InTheKnow on 2/28/2006 9:25 AM
Ron Insana on the subject. His show is on at 2:00PM on CNBC.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By WickedWorld on 2/28/2006 9:30 AM
Will we learn more about why Patrick has such a large, soft spot in his heart for Ron Insana???

CNBC is stepping up with PLENTY of airtime today forthe miscreants. As mentioned above I just heard Sue say that Herb AND Cramer will appear together on Ron's show.

Turn on the DVR as I'm sure there will be a lot to review!!!!!

Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By AWS on 2/28/2006 9:30 AM
//They can't claim lack of profits or bad business model with NFI.//

I'll stretch a bit away from my home base here and try to comment on NFI.

This company's "problem" is that its status as a REIT (for tax purposes) forces it to do a few things that don't logically fit its business. As I understand it, NFI has to recognize "earnings" up front that are based on a model of future revenues...and because it is a REIT, it has to pay out 90% of earnings to retain its status. It is a REIT that doesn't want to be a REIT, but likes the tax efficiency. As such, it is complex. It has to raise equity to fund distributions that are legally required, though not cash in the till. It's structure makes it ripe for criticism. If it were having problems, given its leverage, the ugly potential is huge. Makes perfect sense that Greenberg would be on this one from time to time.

[I have no qualifications for analyzing this company. I think my characterization is fair.]

The BDCs under fire by the "shorts" have assets with valuations which could come under scrutiny by reasoned skeptics. They are also ripe, from time to time, for negative press.

Simple companies, such as a candy store provide much less fodder for shorts.

Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By dave on 2/28/2006 9:32 AM
AWS,

I dealt with a miscreant once and the police wanted to do a subpoena on some records I had. I told them not to bother with the cost of drawing up a subpoena - write me a nice letter requesting them and they could have what they wanted.

It was no big deal as I had nothing to hide. I heard the miscreant ended up in jail, but he's in another city, so I'm not sure.

It makes me wonder why all of these reporters treat their email records as if they were little nuggets of gold.

What exactly did they write that they didn't want the SEC to see? I don't think there is anything in my emails that I would be concerned about a regulator seeing and that applies to most of the people reading this.

And don't talk about "protecting my sources". The subpoenas are usually not fishing trips. They probably specifically name the other reporters, Cohen, Gradient and Rocker (not anonymous sources) and probably ask for records to do with trading of specific stocks.

These guys know they are in big trouble. They are hoping that if they cry foul, their audience will come to their rescue, but as the poll shows, the audience wants justice.

Let the chips fall where they may.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By dave on 2/28/2006 9:33 AM
Please record the shows if you can in case they throw subpoenas again.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By rashomon on 2/28/2006 9:42 AM
Facts about journalists:

you are only as good as your next story
you will do "almost" anything for that next story

some journalists aim to objectively report facts
some to reveal scandals or corruption
some to bring attention to silenced voices
or to lionize a hero etc etc

others aim to move stocks and markets (some up, some down). this is the street.com/CNBC generation of journalists. but I dont know, is this still journalism? isnt this somewhat problematic? to let a Cramer or a HG claim the same mantle as a Fiske, Woodward or even Weiss????
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By Bobo on 2/28/2006 9:44 AM
AWS: What would you call it if owners of the bank started creating electronic book entries representing dollars, for which no dollars actually existed, and represented to clients/other banks that those were real dollars?

Here's reality: Only one entity is authorized to create shares. The issuer. Not the brokers, not the DTCC. If a seller fails to deliver, and the trade isn't broken, but rahter a "Entitlement" is stuck in the buyer's account and represented as genuine to the buyer, and yet it lacks all the parcel of rights that a genuine share has - isn't that counterfeiting? The representation, via the mail or the Internet, of a facsimile, and entitlement, an IOU, as the genuine article - in order to get someone to part with/not demand their money back?

The banking model is a good one, as the Fed is authorized to create money. If I do the equivalent of what the BD's are doing ex-clearing, I would be a thrift printing hundreds in the back office. Would that be OK?

AWS, naked short selling - illegal failing to deliver - is fraud. It just is. The seller fails to deliver the product the investor paid for. Simple. Now you can argue about motivation or damages all day, but this isn't the appropriate place - the forums are.

This particular thread is about Cramer wiping his ass with the symbol of the SEC's authority. Some aren't bothered by that. Others are, equally as if some oil shiek had burned a flag. They are both symbols of the rule of law. I support everyone's entitlement to do so. I also believe that if some arrogant parasite wants to rub the SEC's nose in his perceived impunity, then he should welcome the consequences - bring on discovery.

And by deci-millionaire, I was referring to cramer...
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By InTheKnow on 2/28/2006 9:44 AM
Where's Remond? Not a peep out of the award winning reporter. I guess she flew back to Canada.

My question is why she always targeted Jag Media Holding (JAGH) for her columns. Jag Media is a small company that Mark Valentine (Canadian) and friends used Death Spiral financing to drive into the ground. They were caught by the FBI trying to sell them 25,000,000 shares of Jag Media and ultimately convicted ( Bermuda Short Scandal).

The CEO of Jag Media was the first to recognize the implications of naked shorting and has led the fight against it from the beginning and still is active today.

Stop naked shorting and counterfeiting now. Settle the trades or Settle in Jail.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By be2weenthelines on 2/28/2006 9:48 AM
I just noticed that Herb, besides complaining about the subpoena in general, whines that they're asking for

"all of my "unpublished" communications, including emails and phone records, between me and people and organizations I've quoted -- and at least one I've never quoted."

If the target is stock manipulators, who cares whether he quoted them or not? It seems quite plausible that someone like the "Sith lord" has no interest in being quoted, but Herb's communications with such a (hypothetical) individual are of great relevance and a proper target of any subpoena.

be2 (just keeping an eye out for red herrings and throwing them back)
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By troydian on 2/28/2006 9:50 AM
It appears the blog cloggig athourity, rocker and co. have some minions here, AWS you are not fooling anyone...
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By Chris on 2/28/2006 9:50 AM
Now that the SEC has withdrawn the supoenas, could Cramer,Greenburg and the others destroy E-Mails and other evidence.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By WickedWorld on 2/28/2006 9:51 AM
In two different places, here being one, I saw that there may be a "closed door" meeting at the SEC HQ.

Would it be odd or unusual if the #2 is not present? Would someone from the SF braanch be present? Just askin' because I know that some here either are SEC or speak to the SEC.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By Bobo on 2/28/2006 9:52 AM
AWS: I could spend a lot of time explaining why the shorts have been dead wrong on NFI for 4 years. I could share emails I have where herb, when corrected on negative material facts he printed about them, responded with a shoulder shrug. I could show you research reports from Gradient that got their earnings off by a factor of 10, and which were so shoddily done that they were flat-out lies. Anyone with a calculator could have figure them out, but Gradient chose to ignore the input and left the lies standing.

But again, second time, that is not the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is Cramer wiping his behind with the subpoena.

Everyone, please try to stay on-point, or I will have to start relegating posts to doggerel.

Rash: anytime you are publishing articles in order to move markets up or down, and have leaked info so that your buddies can profit from that inside info of an article or data coming out, you are committing a 10b5 violation. It is illegal.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By dave on 2/28/2006 9:54 AM
Off topic,

Bobo:

The central bank is authorized to print money (US Federal Reserve Notes), but the little banks actually DO create electronic book entries in excess of the US Federal Reserve notes (US dollars) on deposit with them.

In fact, that's where most money comes from.

If your bank gives you a wire, bank draft or you write a check, these are obligations from your bank to the bank where these instruments are being deposited. Because the other bank is doing the same thing, the system automatically nets all the transactions.

Most of those claims on money don't have to be backed by anything.

Conspiracy theorists talk about how the Federal Reserve can print money, but because of the way the banking system is set up, ANY bank can "print" claims on money which trade as if they were money.

When you get a loan for a mortgage, the draft the bank gives you is effectively backed by your promise to repay, not by any tangible cash in their vaults.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By AWS on 2/28/2006 9:54 AM
//AWS: What would you call it if owners of the bank started creating electronic book entries representing dollars, for which no dollars actually existed, and represented to clients/other banks that those were real dollars?//

That's what happens every day. I put $500 in the bank. Bank lends it to you, who puts it in the bank. Bank lends it to rtway1. The friction in the system is the reserve requirement, which is admittedly less than the friction in the equity book-entry, margin account, DTCC, ex-clearing, IRA account world.

The counterfeiting in the back office part I don't get. As I repeat endlessly...Shares are lent multiple times. Short interest can be 3x issuance or more. Then shares are pulled out by a non-lending buyer, tightening the borrow, leading to fails. The problem is caused by a lending long seller. Nobody tells him he can't sell (or vote his shares, if the broker lends w/o permission.) He can.

Sorry to clog on this point. Thought the forum explained all.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By bobo on 2/28/2006 9:56 AM
They haven't withdrawn the subpoenas. That was flawed reporting. The fact is that the SEC still has the subpoenas outstanding, and is meeting to evaluate how to proceed this week.

Which if you had read my blog above, you would know.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By troydian on 2/28/2006 9:57 AM
aws are you also tony ryals from blog cloging fame ?
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By AWS on 2/28/2006 10:00 AM
//It appears the blog cloggig athourity, rocker and co. have some minions here, AWS you are not fooling anyone...//

Time to buy Alcoa.

Sorry for the NFI clog. Thought the subject was related to Greenberg & Gradient & Cramer. I still don't think I mischaracterized the company, but I'm happy to drop it here. Agnostic on HG and his reports on NFI.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By rashomon on 2/28/2006 10:00 AM
sorry bunny this is OT, but hey AWS I am thinking of starting a blog for hedge-fund world industry insiders (or former) tackling corruption and fraud issues and just generally insane financial follies. Call it "Of Rhinos and other Street animals" or something. you interested? Bunny can post uncensored of course tho well guys like rtway are not welcome. How do we get in touch without exposing emails to the world? I hope you dont delete this bobo, such a blog would be bring more attention and unique insights.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By InTheKnow on 2/28/2006 10:05 AM
They'll need more that wipes soon... like Mylanta and Pepto-Bismol
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By AWS on 2/28/2006 10:09 AM
rash-

I don't qualify. US Treasury/Agency/eurobond trader. Squeaky clean. Out of the loop (so I can post without guilt.) Oh, and Ty - Patrick knows who I am - Go foilless. I may drift OT, and Bobo's right to reel me in - I need to focus. Appreciate the invite.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By AWS on 2/28/2006 10:19 AM
//
It makes me wonder why all of these reporters treat their email records as if they were little nuggets of gold.//

Voluntarily turning them over insures never again getting access to the minds of the short hedge funds. P-boxed. Career suicide.

Information can be used for political purposes. Reasoned minds differ seeing the same facts. Hence Bobo's POV and mine colliding. We likely agree on 95% of the world's problems.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By browntrout on 2/28/2006 10:29 AM
AWS- Why do continue to clog this blog on every subject with garbage?
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By bobo on 2/28/2006 10:33 AM
AWS: Almost 20% of the posts are yours. While I appreciate your unique insights and overall literacy, perhaps we could synthesize these nuggets into 2 or 3 really valuable posts? Just an idea.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By troydian on 2/28/2006 10:38 AM
aws,, so your a reasoned mind ehh? and reasoned minds agree on 95% of the world problems? Your train of thought and posts, point to the obvious conclusion,, you just cant get your head around.... stock manipulation is illegal and will be treated as such.. Peace
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: You're a Joke By bobo on 2/28/2006 10:50 AM
'lil GW update for today:

"Knitting with Dog Hair" - Amazon.com Sales Rank: #79,453 in Books

"Wall Street Versus America" - Amazon.com Sales Rank: #104,717 in Books

"Born To Steal" - Amazon.com Sales Rank: #203,260 in Books

8 year old knitting with dog hair book continues to outsell 'lil GW.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: You're a Joke By antny@singsing on 2/28/2006 10:57 AM
Truly a shining moment in Cox's tenure. I only hope politics runs deeper than the law. Nailing Spitze's buddy Cramerr would be a tremendous feather in Cox's hat.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: Bite Me By mhelburn on 2/28/2006 11:28 AM
Holy Cow! Herb and Jim are giving this cause more attention than we could ever get without them. It is almost as if there were a divine hand orchestrating this. All the flamboyant protest is not going to mask the real issue. Cox is smart enough to not step on the rank and file. If the Commissioners screw up here, they will all appear bought and paid for. This is getting stickier and stickier. Grandfathering the fails was outrageous, but interfering with their own enforcement is bizarre and futile. If they don't clean this up, someone else is going to and it will be criminal from the get go. The individual state AG's, the FBI..lots of willing people who don't owe allegiance to Wall Street. It is inevitable that this will be prosecuted. Who will do it? If Cox doesn't support Thomsen, we call for his resignation as well as the Commission. I was so disappointed in the Commission with Reg SHO, so I'm prepared to be disappointed again, but I don't intend to give up.

Is there a permanent link to the Biovail filings onsite? That reads like "True Crime", a magazine I used to read when I stayed with my grandparents. I really loved the black stripes across the bad guys' faces.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: You're a Joke By nowiggleroom on 2/28/2006 11:29 AM
Re: Cramer -

Let's not forget the real focus is Naked Short Selling. The real purps hang out in dark corners of tall buildings. They are the ones with the money, and power to persuade others to fulfilling the agenda from the 'dark side'. I do believe Jim Cramer made a mistake, but an emotional mistake, in handling the SEC order on national tv. He probably should have contacted a lawyer and not made any situation worse on his public 'entertainment' show. Keep the discussion here on topic-> the battle is NSS, not the rantings of JC and the street. I want to see the real criminals be served. As far as JC - Boohoo Jim...Boohoo!

Re: Entitlements from the DTCC - this waters down my investment of a company when a share is loaned to put downside pressure on my investment when the share is not delivered. Entitlements or what ever you want to call it is a simple way of counterfitting and diluting a company's economy. If I am going to buy a new car, I want it with 0 miles on it. I don't expect the dealership to use it for a couple of years and hand me a depreciated vehicle when they are done using it!

Bobo - thanks for the hardwork.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By anon on 2/28/2006 11:30 AM
I'd like Etrade to allow me to short stock today and then put up the money three days later. Three days later I'd still be able to short and then have three more days to put up the money. Wimpy?
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By anon on 2/28/2006 11:37 AM
I just saw GOOG's chart! Why was Cramer telling everybody I NEED YOU TO BE BUYING GOOGLE in that grissly voice of his, as the chart was climbing ever higher? Was he shorting his box of shares to a sucker public? I bet he gets on the show today and screams NOW IS THE TIME TO BE BUYING GOOGLE! LOL! Yeah, right, for him.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By mhelburn on 2/28/2006 11:45 AM
On Patrick's publicizing the affidavits: With these in public view, there is the off-chance that some of the corruption will be stopped immediately as the hedge-funds/pump-dump scam analysts have second thoughts about their immunity from prosecution. His publication of that may have already save some companies from exploitation. Most people just want equal opportunity to compete. The ones that have to have an edge aren't as competent. By publishing the affidavits, Patrick simply told what was going on. It is not likely that it would interfere with finding an unbiased jury pool. There have been attempts to coerce the affiants. These guys are pretty tough. Maybe they were naive when they confronted their employers about the illegal things they saw going on rather than being indignant of the outrage. They may not have even realized that their employment would be in jeopardy if they brought this out. They could have been rubes or they could have been righteous. Either way, they are wiser, tougher and not rubes now.
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Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By mhelburn on 2/28/2006 11:55 AM
antny@singsing.

That is terrible thought that one would try to get another person convicted of something because of his association with the Democrat Spitzer because Cox is a Republican appointee. At least you are a realist. If the point man has to go down, at least make sure he is from the opposing party. Very seldom do I think about crooks' political affiliations. I generally think of politicians' affiliated crookedness.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By WickedWorld on 2/28/2006 12:03 PM
OK. I just saw what Patrick sees in Ron.

Way to go Ron.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By cheapseats on 2/28/2006 12:04 PM
I just watch skee daddy and Greenturd on CNBC. They are terrified. It's obvious. I have been watching this with a healthy amount of skepticism for a while now (over a year), and it's never been more obvious that this is about to break wide open. Dr. Byrne will be on Squawk Box tomorrow--can't wait.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By bobo on 2/28/2006 12:05 PM
You know, I just listened to the show again, and can I just say that I have never heard worse acting in my life? It was embarrassing. Really. The pretend outraged dignity, the protestations of innocence - man oh man, I expected to see a briefcase full of fake rolexes fall off the desk at any moment.

I mean, it isn't even well done. These guys SOUND like liars and crooks. They have that sneaky dog look in their eyes, the sort of averted gaze thing that bad dogs have. I could be wrong, but there may be more poop eaters in this than I first imagined.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By troydian on 2/28/2006 12:07 PM
cramer and greenie laughed and joked just like two (guilty) peas in a pod..while insana (who was promoted today) tried.... to get them to answer questions...that they did not answer... These two jamooks are hideing something..
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By troydian on 2/28/2006 12:09 PM
the poop eaters analogy is one all can relate to.. right on!
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By rtway1 on 2/28/2006 12:12 PM
After watching Cramer on CNBC, I was thoroughly convinced that this man thinks thatnot only is he above the law, but he is quantum leaps over his fellow humans. I felt sorry for Ron Insana, he was obviously embarrased and uncomfortable to be so close to the buffoon. Notice how they switched the subject when Insana asked Herbie about Naked Shorts, in fact they damn near went insane talking about anything they could grab at. His display of spite for the SEC in of itself should get the attention of Cox.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By antny@singsing on 2/28/2006 12:21 PM
mehlburn

Different things motivate different people. Cox is a politician. AND absolutely NOTHING that Spitzer has done to date has been done without regard to his own political ambitions.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By nopull on 2/28/2006 12:24 PM
Saw the short (not short enough) segment with Insana. Poor guy was trying to conduct a semi-serious discussion with the two clowns carrying on like prep schoolers in front of the asst. principal, still suffering from the residual effects of whatever they'd ingested while perpetrating their pranks.
But again, they all kept saying it was OSTK's battle with short sellers. It's not. It's about manipulation and use of naked short selling. Both illegal.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By WickedWorld on 2/28/2006 12:31 PM
Ex-SEC man Harvey Pitt just said something very important that Bob has mentioned here. Not word for word but he point blank said that the First Amendment does not shield one from criminal behavior. That's very timely AND significant coming from former SEC.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By Pinkice on 2/28/2006 12:32 PM
We have now just about gone full circle from the 1999-2000 days. Cramer and Greenie are now acting like Kozlowski from Tyco, Ebbers from WCOM and Skilling from Enron. Back in the 1999-2000 days the hedgies did root out the bad so to speak from the corporate world, they had done their homework. I watched the corporate shills laugh, hoohah, giggle and protest they did not commit corporate misdeeds!!!! Where are they all today? We know the answer to that question. Fast forward to 2005/2006, the corporations are now taking it to the hedgies to root out the evildoes/possible lawbreakers IMHO. It is now the hedgies/tutes/brokerdealers/media who are the baddogs and need to be reigned in. Let's see how it all ends.

Also, what if it was Spitzer's second in command who had issued a supoena to Koz.
or Ebbers or Lay/Skilling and any of them reacted on TV as Cramer did. Spitzer would be spitting mad. Obviously, Cramer IMHO believes he is completely innocent, hoohah, and or he believes Spitzer will protect him to the end. I would like to hear Spitzers reaction to Cramers action of basically spitting on the government. Look what happened to Martha. The SEC needs to reign them in. Also, lets cut to the chase, open up the records to the DTCC.

Bobo, PB, BVF keep the faith, keep up the great work.
Re: Jim Cramer's Message To The SEC: F You By rtway1 on 2/28/2006 12:45 PM
I am in TOTAL aggreement that the most important value we have is freedom of speech. That being said, It is a travesty when someone uses this great freedom as a weapon to harm those it was meant to protect. It is even more deplorable when this freedom is used in a joking manner or made a mockery of to the point that this freedom is now reduced from a treasure to a wall to hide behind when you cross the line. Bloomberg will be my channel of choice starting today. I would rather watch them instead of a scripted show full of bias.