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Posted by:   bobo 2/23/2006 8:50 AM

 

 

So I spoke with Dr. Byrne, and apparently he did have a hand in the Biovail lawsuit against Cohen and Gradient. Not in encouraging it, necessarily, but by sharing the wealth of information that his affiants have made available.

 

I’m not free to go into a ton of detail here, but suffice it to say that my speculation as to his involvement in that matter was not far astray.

 

Let’s just say that he has been sharing the information that has come to his disposal via his affiants, as well as the good folks who know something about the inner workings of some of these loosely affiliated groups – that probably don’t exist, and are mere figments of my fevered imagination…

 

That sharing extends to law enforcement, regulators, and interested affected company counsel - which I'm sure will continue throughout discovery, in all of these cases - as it should. Those who are free of guilt should celebrate the cleansing rays of sunshine. And what could the largest hedge fund in NJ possible have to be secretive about or to hide? I'll bet it is a welcome opportunity to affirm their good name, and prove to the world that hedge funds are really warm fuzzy creatures, much like puppies or plush toys, no more malevolent and ruthless and larcenous than cotton candy, or fluffy white clouds.

 

It seems like just yesterday that I was on the phone doing the CC where I laid out my schematic of how a manipulation works in this day and age. At the time, I was called a lot of names, and my delusional rants were castigated by many, including the mainstream financial press – or at least all the usual familiar lapdogs therein.

 

And here we are a year later, and now two suits have been filed making allegations that look oddly familiar. And maybe, juuuuust mayyyybeeeee, there are more to come…?

 

And the SEC is conducting formal investigations into hedge funds and research firms I have been a big fan of for that whole time.

 

Ain’t it funny how the time flies…

 

I heard one comment I do have to share though. One of the affiants remarked, about the no-doubt unfairly victimized Mr. Cohen, that “if Rocker was bad, he was 10 times worse.”

 

I am unclear whether that was meant to convey, perhaps it had to do with hair styles or something...but I found it funny nonetheless.

 

I’m guessing that there isn’t a lot of chuckling going on over on the East Coast today. Abelow hearing, Cohen suit, Rocker subpoenas – man, it almost seems like there might be something about New Jersey, hedge funds and Wall Street…

 

Nah.

 

All doubtless as without guilt as angels sent straight down from heaven.

 

I would expect a flurry of articles proclaiming that it is good and right and American to frontrun research reports in a collusive manner, and that the fabric of our great nation and the future of our newborns is dependent upon large hedge funds being allowed to decimate shareholder value and transfer the wealth into their pockets using these tactics....or that "companies that complain about short sellers are bad"....that's always a popular one when ignoring the actual meat of the charges....I predict maybe 72 hours until the attacks on the affiant credibility starts again....

 

I almost feel sorry for Gradient. I mean, who knew that simply trying to generate good research would have you taking the fall for mega-rich NJ financial cartels? It's a crying shame, if you ask me.

 

The problem the miscreants have is that as these suits pile up, it is getting increasingly difficult for the press and the regulators to pretend there is no fire where there is smoke. But sitll, I can't wait for the first article saying, "Doctoring research reports and frontrunning them - why, that's as Amercian as apple pie! You mean to tell me that is illegal?"

 

This is becoming a wildly interesting story to report on, I’ll say that much. And it promises to get way more interesting soon. Very soon.

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Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By mhelburn on 2/23/2006 9:32 AM
If I were interviewing affiants (who probably have a pretty good whistle-blower case), I certainly wouldn't contain my questions to a specific issue or a specific person. I would ask who the clients were and which stocks were treated this way. Should there be more than one issue and more than one client, I would want a list. Then I would make my own list and start at the top.

This is going to go viral. The OSTK case filed in 2005. February 06, Biovail files. Having watched the CNBC interview of Biovail's attorney, I noted he seemed quite competent. We could have a pool and see which company files next. Would that be unseemly? In one day, the number of suits doubles.. the companies who were targeted certainly have had the same length of time to work on this as Biovail and if the same persons are involved with other stocks, it would be reasonable to expect those companies to perhaps use the same attorneys who are already up to speed and this turn into a class action. Would it be in a company's best interest to have consolidated suits or would it be better to fight each suit individually? Would having the suits brought in many venues be more wearisome for the defendants? Will the defendants ask to have all of the claims turned into a single action?
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By rtway1 on 2/23/2006 9:42 AM
I love when Mary chimes in, she brings so much different light onto the subject. I wonder if this is the time they start to throw one another under the bus to save theirass, or not get spanked so bad. This is truly a great day and I feel more are coming. Good work Bob.
Shapiro Interview Link By bobo on 2/23/2006 4:59 PM
Here's a link to Shapiro's interview on CNBC today:

http://www.vmsdigital.com/MyFiles.aspx?Onum=D755C1B3-9A59-4F34-AB2D-533BA5D4982E
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By antny@singsing on 2/23/2006 5:09 PM
I understand the profit is kept if a buyout is lower than where they shorted it from. But, how is a vote taken? if you have people who think they've bot a total of 100 mil shares and there's only 50 mil shares outstanding, who gets to participate in the take out? Shorts would HAVE to deliver the stock or cover. in the case of naked shorting, delivery is not possible (given my example) because that would mean delivering more shares than exist. Covering is the only option. If that's true, then it's very likely the stock would trade at a premium to the take out.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By bobo on 2/23/2006 5:31 PM
Maybe, maybe not. What they usually do is just allocate the overvoting however the brokers see fit. That is why NSS results in dilution to legtimate shareholders' right to vote.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By Toppyman on 2/23/2006 5:46 PM
Thought you would find this funny, bobo. On the OSTK board today, about your favorite shithead writer, Weiss.

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Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By bobo on 2/23/2006 5:51 PM
Jenna Jameson knows how to read and write? There is an ultimage guide to anal and gay sex outselling knitting with dog hair and all of Weiss' books by a factor of 10 or so?

I'm still stuck on Jenna Jameson knows how to read and write....

Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By InTheKnow on 2/23/2006 6:19 PM
Abelow got nervous and declined to answer some of the questions until he spoke to counsel. Audio will be available soon.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By seanmzacharie on 2/23/2006 6:28 PM
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=133223

Please open up this post and link and listen to this program from 15 mins on. You will be very pleased. Thanks for all you do. I do not know how to email this to you. Sean
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By aldigit01 on 2/23/2006 7:05 PM
Antny,

For info on how the powers that be hide the share over voting problem, check out the following letter from the SIA's Ad-Hoc Committee on Proxy Overvoting to the NYSE VP of Market Regulation, Anand Ramtahal, at the following link:

www.sia.com/2005_comment_letters/6136.pdf

Note the list of the committee members including DTCC members, NYSe, major brokerages, and yes, even the SEC.

The way they discuss this as merely a process problem to be solved makes my skin crawl!
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By Anonymous on 2/23/2006 7:26 PM
Bob,

Rumor has it that many of the core investors in Rocker's hedge fund have links to the mob, drug cartels, and other unsavory characters. With several very large and probably fatally large short positions composed of legitimate and naked short shares, might there be a very fine line which Rocker needs to toe? On one hand getting these scary investors out with their investment and profits intact while keeping your prime broker convinced that you're not overextended.

We often talk about a perp walk as justice. If the above list of characters is true, might their retribution for failure be a little more unsettling to Rocker than a mere perp walk? He could be considering fates far worse than Bubba as a cell mate.

So how does he get out between this rock and hard place?

Maybe he attacks several companies, shorting unmercifully, using every dirty trick in his playbook to bring the share price down on several of these. He knows this is a one way trip, covering is not an option. His goal is to show strong profit and upside in order to attract new investors. Big money is flowing into hedge funds and he needs a good chunk of it to replace the money and profits that he needs to get to his more unsavory core investors to prevent becoming one with a new dock piling. As more of this new money flows in, his core investors can then exit with profit intact and his prime broker remains happy. A nice bonus is the 20% commission on the paper profits the shorting creates as the new investor bag holders, pension funds, what have you, applaud.

And when all is said and done and the bottom finally falls out, he gets a slap on the wrist, spends a year in home confinement on some 20 acre beachfront property on an island somewhere with the lion's share of his personal profits hidden in off shore accounts.

This is all conjecture and my opinion.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By n-tres-ted on 2/23/2006 7:41 PM
Wow, Sean! That link to the robtv interview is quite a show. Kevin OLeary I think was the fellow there with Amanda, the host. He said straight out that, sure, if you're a big enough client (hedge fund), you can naked short, and so what's the problem? Amanda really stood her ground, insisting it is market manipulation, and he responded that she is in "his" camp (Meaning Robert Shapiro's), whom he categorized as a "whiner." I would love to see him make that argument to a criminal court.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By teacheric on 2/23/2006 7:56 PM
Sheesh, I wonder how much that Kevin guy got paid to continue to call people whose stocks go down "whiners." He was jumping to all kinds of conclusions, trying to make it into something that it wasn't. Seems like the "body snatchers" got to him.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By WickedWorld on 2/23/2006 7:57 PM
seanmzacharie,

Thank You for that video link. That truly is ASTONISHING!

Please everyone watch that video. The lady deserves a lot of my respect for standing her ground. The man she was discussing the issue with is making my blood very hot right now.

I must add this however. After watching her just now and Shapiro earlier today and Patrick over the last year or so, the good guys have a BIG problem. You are too NICE. Too POLITE. Too GOOD.

You can not be this way all the time when you are dealing with arrogant, slimey, greedy criminals who are CONVINCED that they are smarter than you ever could dream of being and are ABOVE THE LAW. And they believe they should be APPLAUDED for doing all of us such a needed favor.

And for the love of G*D, do not let them be successful YET AGAIN in sidetracking the discussion into LEGAL shorting. Fuk!

WAKE UP!

If Ron Insana or Becky Q. or some Defense Lawyer or a Lapdog or Quisling asks some half-assed question loaded with BS innuendo while giving that "I don't really understand what's up with this, isn't shorting legal?" stare then please just tell them the following:
"Mr. Reporter, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. The moment you opened your mouth with the rhetorical, 'Isn't shorting legal' spiel I knew. I'm saying the perps are CRIMINALS COMMITING CRIMES! They are arrogant bast*rds who act above the law and would not give YOU Mr. Reporter the time of day if you weren't for sale. They are COUNTERFEITING stock, selling it to the public, getting PAID, and then laughing their asses all the way to the Caymans."

Or something like that.




Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By mhelburn on 2/23/2006 8:06 PM
Kevin OLeary epitomizes the problem. He worships the shorter because of the risk involved. He absolutely supported the illegal manipulation that is naked shorting. The naked shorting is a tool to reap profits via options trading. It is fraud and theft.

I can't wait for these wild west traders to get their profits from taking the risk of doing illegal things. Profit will be a vacation at Sing Sing.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By x. trapnell on 2/23/2006 8:07 PM
"Maybe he attacks several companies, shorting unmercifully, using every dirty trick in his playbook to bring the share price down on several of these. He knows this is a one way trip, covering is not an option. His goal is to show strong profit and upside in order to attract new investors."

And get your friends in the WSJ to write a fluff piece touting your "50%" profit. . .
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By bobo on 2/23/2006 8:12 PM
Wicked:

I'm not at all nice. That is one of the problems everyone has with me. I'm an asshole. I could go head to head with a clown like O'Leary for breakfast:

"Shorting is good, and they are all whiners."

"Kevin, what we are talking about has nothing to do with short selling, any more than it does with long selling. We are talking about taking a buyer's money, and not delivering. Fraud. Stock manipulation. Get the difference?"

"Bob, you are a whiner, and these shorts are taking enormous risks, blah blah..."

"Kevin, Sweety, try to follow along. Cat burglars take enormous risks - they could fall off a ledge and die, could get caught and go to prison. It is still stealing. Explain to me how taking a buyer's money and not delivering the product is good. And doing so in unchecked numbers of transactions, specifically to manipulate the price of the stock down."

"You are anti-progress. Short selling is good. Stop whining."

"Kevin, it only sounds like whining because your ears are plugged by the walls of your colon. Pull you head out, and stay on point. FTDs are taking buyer money and then not delivering the product - long, short, whatever. It is stock manipulation. Why is that good?"

And so on. Then again, I'm an asshole, and public enemy number one from these guys' perspective.

For good reason.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By mhelburn on 2/23/2006 8:23 PM
RobTV w/ Robert Shapiro/Marshall Blume

http://www.robtv.com/servlet/HTMLTemplate/!robVideo/robtv0726.20060223.00037000-00037240-clip1/h/220asf

Here is the clip if you want to archive this
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By captspell on 2/23/2006 8:24 PM
Sean - Thank you for the link. I just finished listening to it. WOW. Shapiro was clear and concise. Amanda had a full take on the issue and was not a bit bashful. Kevin is either a really dumb guy(which I doubt) or bought off. His take was "hey, if you take big risks you deserve a reward but what the hell if its illegal" I wish that Amanda had used the "illegal" card more often but at least it is first class coverage. It is indeed "different this time" (tm). Bring it on.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By bobo on 2/23/2006 8:35 PM
It makes me feel scrappy when I hear dimwits struggling with their lines. Really.

Insana, not stupid. O'Leary, not stupid. Both saying stupid things. When smart guys start saying stupid things, money is involved.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By WickedWorld on 2/23/2006 8:54 PM
"I'm not at all nice."

I meant to exclude you Bob; I've been taking you for granted since becoming addicted to your blog. You tell it like it is. I have no doubt you'd expose them for what they really are. Of course, you have already in so so many ways. I just hope you get the opportunity in all the ways YOU see fit.

There may be just two or three people on the planet who can postively and authoritatively refute this manipulation. And you're one of 'em.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By bobo on 2/23/2006 9:03 PM
Thanks Wicked. The problem is, if you are right, that makes me dangerous to some. Which is why I'm the Easter Bunny...
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By rtway1 on 2/23/2006 9:15 PM
I know you won,t say it, but I will as my own opinion. I would bet the farm that every one of these commentators are given a script to use because the people they are interviewing paid for the time they are on. I,ll say this for Insana, he hurriedly expressed the possibility that much of the crash of the late ninety,s could be tied into short selling, and it seemed liked he did it out of his own volition IMO.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By rtway1 on 2/23/2006 9:17 PM
I meant naked short selling
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By rtway1 on 2/23/2006 9:26 PM
I think Insana,s hands are tied by management, He blurts things out evry now and then that are contrary to the views of his cohorts and the pervasive sentiment of that one way station. I think he would make a great moderator on a square off with Bob and Jeffie, if Jeff ever had the balls to do it.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By anon on 2/23/2006 9:30 PM
Ron's OK.

Here's a tip on Ron.

When he knows what he's saying is scripted bullshit, he shifts his eyes continually to his right while saying it.

Watch today's interview, and the one with Byrne last year.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By Anonymous on 2/23/2006 10:12 PM
Dad, some girl called me the stupidist person on the earth today in school. Am I??

No son. That would be Kevin O' Leary.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By captspell on 2/23/2006 11:23 PM
Hey anon - nice catch on the eyes. I didn't pick up on that. I'll pay better attention next time. Thanks. good tip.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By dave on 2/24/2006 5:13 AM
I once won a judgement against a company and the owner of the company drained the funds.

I tried "fraudulent conveyance" and learned the hard way that it isn't that easy to prove. I didn't win.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By antny@singsing on 2/24/2006 6:15 AM
not sure anyone could Drain Bear Stearns or Goldman Sachs. Lawyers go where the $$$$ is. Rocker and Cohen are good starts. and I'm sure Feds are monitoring any attempt to move assets offshore since the litigation began.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By dave on 2/23/2006 9:43 AM
What is to stop the groups being sued to move their funds outside the reach of the US court system?


Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By bobo on 2/23/2006 9:52 AM
Probably nothing, but it would be fraudulent conveyance once a suit starts. That, and the brokers that fascilitate for them are next in the line, and lawyers typically like deep pockets.

I agree with Mary, this is going to get much bigger, much quicker. The cat is out of the bag. I loved the CNBC bit where the choagie was saying, "What, like, what's wrong with hedge funds writing supposedly unbiased research reports and frontrunning them?"

Could the moral bankruptcy of Wall Street and those beholden to it be any more clearly articulated than by that dolt?
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By antny@singsing on 2/23/2006 10:01 AM
question is not "who's next" but rather "how many more". I think the real question for O'Quinn is "can this class action be bigger than tobacco"?
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By mhelburn on 2/23/2006 10:09 AM
Look at Anthony Elgindy. I don't believe his sentence is an aberration. He was in the Middle East. And the defendants, as far as I know, are all "stand-up" Americans. They will have their passports revoked. They may have foreign accounts, but they won't be able to use them. The legal expenses and fines are going to eat up all of their wealth. If you were an attorney, wouldn't you get your fees up front? Perhaps, you wouldn't even want to represent these guys? The cost of defending something like this is going through the roof as I type. Who wants to defend someone who is a serial criminal? Think of an attorney who is going to represent someone like this. He says, "I don't want any surprises, what can I expect from the other side as far as evidence?" Since the defendant is arrogant and in denial, the little criminal behaviors seep out. Phonecall, after phonecall, take-down after take down. Then they bring in the accountants who start looking at trying to settle. It isn't just the suit, but the investors who are looking to get their money back.. wealthy individuals who can afford to lose it all..and for whom there is no regulation of their assets. No regulation is not a pretty thing when your hedge fund investment is gone. And the defendants in suits like this haven't even realized that the train has left the station and they are being dragged along behind blindfolded by their arrogance and their previous ability to get by with this. Denial.. and then somebody is going to wake-up and turn State's evidence.. That person will be bankrupted, but at least be able to have a lighter prison term. The rest can burn in hell. Which one of these stand-up guys is going to come to his senses first?
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By bobo on 2/23/2006 10:10 AM
Antny: I believe that the ultimate suits against the brokers are going to be huge, and that this is simply laying the groundwork for those.

None of this would be possible without the larger houses on the Street sucking up and doing illegal trading favors. And the DTCC is owned by them, so at some point the words criminal fraud are going to come up, IMO. The ex-clearing treatment of delivery makes a mockery of securities law, and in my opinion is a delberate circumvention of 17A and 17D. Additionally, I think a rigorous examination of the SBP will show that it is routinely abused, is not even close to resembling its original purpose, and is nothing more that an "Entitlement" factory that is being abused by the participants with impunity.

Once this breaks wide open, mark my words, some of the big names are going to be paying their $11 billion in bonuses to guys like O'Quinn, not to each other.
And, it's an mid-term election year too! By other_opinions on 2/23/2006 10:17 AM
Don't forget that all those US Reps and 1/3 of the Senators are up for re-election this year.

They're already running scared of stories of influence peddling. (Did we ever find out why the Senate Banking Committee canceled its hearings on this topic?)


You've got Enron revelations bringing back memories of the pain te little guy sufffered in contrast to the arrogance of those at the top. Get a few more stories in the media and this could become campaign fodder. And, I suspect that soon it will be easier to interest the non-Wall Street media in this story--particularly if you could get it tied in with an Enron story. Something along the lines of "Here's what happened years ago and here may be what is happening now."
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By rtway1 on 2/23/2006 10:38 AM
Is Jimmy Olson (alias Gary Weiss) doing any of his ace observations on thgis news. How about Roddy baby, he must be all over this with his investigative prowess.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By embraceyourinnerhillbilly on 2/23/2006 11:08 AM
In case many of you haven't seen this article on Milberg Weiss campaign contributions.

"...Mr. Hevesi isn't the only one whose campaign has received contributions from Milberg Weiss. Attorney General Eliot Spitzer's gubernatorial campaign has already received $15,000 from the firm, and another $35,000 from partner Melvyn Weiss as an individual, according to state campaign-finance records and Cynthia Darrison, managing director of Mr. Spitzer's campaign. That's on top of at least $3,000 the firm contributed to Mr. Spitzer's 2002 campaign for attorney general..."


http://www.nysun.com/article/16313

Perhaps Mr. Spitzer should focus on his present job and stop worrying about a seat in Albany. That way he can avoid these campaign contribution improprieties.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By embraceyourinnerhillbilly on 2/23/2006 11:09 AM
FYI: The preceding article is from June, 2005.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By rtway1 on 2/23/2006 11:15 AM
That would be the Spitzer who is a regular on Jimmy Cramers vaudeville show. They were also roomies in college. Just part of the brotherhood.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By Information Arbitrage on 2/23/2006 11:23 AM
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:sqJprjy-ZBYJ:www.princeton.edu/~amoroz/2004/11/wall-streets-secret-power-elite-where.html
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By rtway1 on 2/23/2006 11:33 AM
I just watched Ron Insana and Robert Shapiro on CNBC, it was great. Bob, I hope you can provide a link of that interview on this site. Insana did a great job, as did Shapirpo.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By bobo on 2/23/2006 11:36 AM
Somebody get me a link and I'll gladly post it.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By n-tres-ted on 2/23/2006 12:09 PM
Any news from the NJ hearing today?
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By Cutty on 2/23/2006 12:24 PM

Like the mogwai ? You know what happens when you feed them after midnight and put water on them.
The whole thing starts to look like musical chair in reverse: There is only one chair and everybody is silently running around. Then the first one that jumps on the chair will start singing like a canary.
That will be no fun for the others. The first defendant to make a deal might reduce his problems, the rest of them will burn in hell
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By Kuma on 2/23/2006 12:43 PM
Bob,
What happens if a company has grandfathered shares and then gets bought or buys another company? Is it a possibility that they can be forced to cover those shares? How about this. What does it take to get the position to cover? Thanks
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By Stay Tuned on 2/23/2006 1:06 PM
Sunday 60 Minutes
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By 10b5 on 2/23/2006 1:29 PM
Patrick ought to pay a one time dividend of a new and unregistered series of equity which can may not be issued in electronic format (i.e. they must be physically held). Only so many to go around and an awful lot of folks would be screaming at theor brokers re delivery believing that they are righful owners.

shit, give this series of stock supervoting power so you trump the street's ability to "swing" a vote due to the swag in the stock loan system and CNS.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By InWonder on 2/23/2006 1:47 PM
Paid to blow the whistle...
http://accounting.smartpros.com/x44020.xml
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By bobo on 2/23/2006 2:11 PM
Kuma - The naked short sellers pay the holders of the "Entitlements" whatever the buyout price is.
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By antny@singsing on 2/23/2006 2:34 PM
in other words, they have to cover? so in theory you could see an example of a takeout where the stock trades at a significant premium to the take out price?
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By JLB on 2/23/2006 2:41 PM
Is it just me, or did Biovail's attorney seem to get the same "smarmy" attitude from the CNBC crew that patrick got from jeff matthews? Seemed that they were condescending and dismissive to me. But what do I know?
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By rwhite8838 on 2/23/2006 2:59 PM
Ptsc just payed a dividend and the stock went from .20 to a dolllar in a week . with help from the naked shorts
Re: From The "Never Piss Off A Rich Guy Or His Friends" Department… By bobo on 2/23/2006 3:23 PM
Antny: No, they don't have to cover. Let's say that the reason that there is a buyout is because the company is a bargain - say they were trading at $20, book is $6, and they are currently at $5. If a buyout is arranged at $7, the naked short sellers have to cough up $7 per share upon sale of the company - keeping all profits of sales at higher than that price.

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